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Depression

Greg,

Fair play to you for seeking ways and means of addressing your depression via this forum. By a strange coincidence, I've only written about my own experience of depression today with a view to contributing to "a new booklet designed to improve public awareness and tackle the stigma often associated with (mental) illness." Maybe it might be of some interest and with hope, some help too. The single most helpful thing someone said to at the time was "it may not feel like it at the moment, but it will get better."

I saw the article about how 'Stories will help address stigma' (West Briton, 06.01.11) in respect of mental health issues and have written one of my own below. Please feel free to use it if you like. I've called it 'One Of These Days' ...

My story begins in the summer of 1994, a few months after I had moved to Cornwall. Though I had been very much looking forward to being here for several months, I was unprepared for the changes in my life that I experienced which led me to having an episode of depression. I had recognised tendencies of this nature in myself over the years as I had previous experience as a psychiatric nurse and also worked for a Mental Health Centre in central London. I will return to this subject soon, but by way of coincidence or serendipity, it was this work which had first brought me to Cornwall a few years earlier when I helped to organise a week-long walk on the South-West Cornwall coast-path with service-users of this Centre, culminating in our reaching the end of our journey at Land’s End. In short, I fell in love with West Cornwall’s rugged coastline and felt a sense of freedom and calm here that was a world away from the rush and bustle of London life. When I came back on holiday in the summer of ’93, I resolved to move here as it gradually dawned on me that I felt (cue mystic mirth) “spiritually at home.”

It took several months to obtain work here and it was only when I decided to give notice to my employers in London that a temporary job soon became available. In truth, it was not work which I was really cut out for but “a job’s a job” and it felt like I’d landed on my feet having taken a risk in leaving without having any work to go to. But being in Cornwall had become the most important focus for me then as my partner at the time was already here and I was exhausted travelling down every week-end, after a week at work, to be with her. It had also seemed to me that I would stand more chance of getting a job through actually being here already rather than applying from ‘up country.’ I had become a firm believer in my adage that “it’s not who you know, it’s who you’re known by” as the way into Social Work in Cornwall at that time. I had only recently qualified as a Social Worker then and I had no experience in Child Protection work. I wasn’t a parent and I felt hopelessly out of my depth. Still, I told myself that “a job’s a job” and I could learn as I go along. The people I worked with were great – they were all very helpful and seemed to have confidence in me. Unfortunately, I had no confidence in myself and my self-doubt and anxiety ate away at me until I had no energy to fight it anymore.

It was a great relief initially to be able to step off that conveyor belt of anxiety which had reduced me to sleepless nights, inability to hear what people were saying to me due to my mind ‘being on overload’ and a fear of facing the next day at work due to having to play out a role in which I felt an absolute fraud. Who needs the support of a so-called Social Worker in Children’s Services who doesn’t know what he’s doing and doesn’t even have any children himself? The really difficult part though was in trying to adjust to the negative self-image I had and general feelings of worthlessness that arose from this sense of absolute failure. This had a knock-on effect where every activity seemed futile and demanding too much effort to the point where I had difficulty getting up in the mornings. Even when I did get up, I would stare blankly into the wardrobe as I couldn’t even make a decision about what clothes to face the day in. You’ll remember I said earlier that I had experience of being a psychiatric nurse. Although this helped me to recognise these negative feelings and ‘psychomotor retardation’ as being classic symptoms of depression, that didn’t actually help me to deal with it. However, a breakthrough seemed to come when I was at my lowest ebb.

I received a cassette tape in the post from one of my best friends ‘up country.’ He knew that I was struggling with my situation and the letter he sent urged me to summon up “that old ‘never say die’ determination” which he associated with me, particularly from our days of playing football together. It was a great fillip and was a reminder of what I’d lost with the move here – the support of close friends that can take years to establish. I put the tape on in the car and the first track I heard was by Neil Young entitled ‘One Of These Days.’ I hadn’t heard the song before and as I listened to the lyrics, I felt a surge of emotion welling up in me. I had to pull over to a recycling compound just outside town before I burst into a lengthy bout of uncontrolled sobbing. If you don’t know the song, it has a plaintive but inspirational feel to it. The opening line talks of how “one of these days, I’m going to sit down and write a long letter to all the good friends I’ve known” and goes on to say how “I’m going to try to thank them all for the good times together though so apart we’ve grown.” That was the first recognition of loss that had hit me smack between the ears.

It took attending an ‘Anxiety Management Support Group’ and the gradual acceptance of other unresolved losses in my life – most particularly of my parents, especially my father who died when I was very young – to help me to rediscover that spirit my friend had spoken of. As I listen to Neil Young again whilst writing this, it reminds me that issues from the past can come back to haunt us when we are not coping so well in the present. There is a particular line in ‘One Of These Days’ that rings true for me to this day - “I never tried to burn any bridges though I know I let some good things go” – and this inspired me to re-connect with many of the good people I’ve known in my life. I sent my oldest friend (who I had lost contact with several years before) a cassette of old tracks that I knew he’d remember from our youth and it ended up inspiring us to write a ‘pop novel’ about a DJ who tells stories about music to help him to come to terms with his unresolved mental health issues. It was only in the joint writing of this novel (‘FM247: This Is Radio Binfield!’*) that I discovered that my friend had a similar experience himself.

Attending the group also helped me to put my own experiences in perspective and reminded me that I was not alone in having to fight the ‘dark cloud of depression’ whilst giving me a few tips for how to tackle the ‘automatic negative thoughts’ I had succumbed to. Writing about how the music can help people connect with their emotions has been an enjoyable distraction from Social Work in recent years and even more recently, has helped me to connect with kindred spirits via sharing the stories on various social networking sites on the internet. I hope to make such fiction become a reality one of these days by doing a DJ stint or two of my own on a local radio station. Make sure you’ve got your hanky ready though for when I do!


*http://www.amazon.co.uk/FM247-Radio-Binfield-Rob-Spooner/dp/1409283402/ref=pd_ecc_rvi_4

Obviously, I've been somewhat opportunistic in plugging the book again somewhat shamelessly, but that experience of depression did inform it. What also helped was not giving myself such a hard time about things, setting realistic targets and giving up on 'perfectionism' as well as viewing things differently - I'm sure you know the 'glass half full/empty' perspectives. Remember, it ain't half as bad as you think it is at the moment.

All good ones, Rob :thumbsup:

An honest account.Don't think the book's much cop though.:winking:
 
Are you insinuating FM247 Radio Binfield is a cure for insomnia? :smile:

Great post Rob, I hoped you'd relate your experiences well said mate.

Cheers H - shameless in most respects these days! And I've already told Yorkshire Blue what a cheeky young rascal he is. :smiles:
 
Only just had the time to read this thread properlly. My viewing/posting at work is a bit haphazard.

Firstly, thanks for sharing Greg. Hopefully we can share some positive vibes with you to help if only in a little way. Prob best to steer clear from the Shrimpers Chit Chat for a while yet though... I hope the advice given here will be a great source of inspiration to you.

Secondly, this thread is a massive credit to this place. We may bicker and be down-right rude to one another at times, but actually it's full of good people willing to help one another out at the drop of a hat. I think it is safe to stay that this thread has probably helped at least one or two other people out directly or indirectly.

Mental illness is one we need to tackle head on. A friend of mine did the Great South Run for Mind (www.mind.org.uk) and I met up with her in their tent and spoke to some of their volunteers who explained to me about some of their work which I found really impressive.
 
Great post Shrimpero . AS I've mentioned before im also being treated for depression and am currently on happy pills and seeing a psychoanalyst (lucky me i know ) .

I agree with everyone here regarding raising awareness of this . I've learnt a good many things about what causes depression and how sometimes it simply can be linked to brain chemistry as well as environmental stresses , so more then anything seeking medical help and assistance to find the right method to help you is vital.

also a massive big up for Mind in Southend who have been amazing in helping me and teh great councilers at Ashingdon Surgery ;)
 
Great post Shrimpero . AS I've mentioned before im also being treated for depression and am currently on happy pills and seeing a psychoanalyst (lucky me i know ) .

I agree with everyone here regarding raising awareness of this . I've learnt a good many things about what causes depression and how sometimes it simply can be linked to brain chemistry as well as environmental stresses , so more then anything seeking medical help and assistance to find the right method to help you is vital.

also a massive big up for Mind in Southend who have been amazing in helping me and teh great councilers at Ashingdon Surgery ;)

Thanks, Osy. I didn't know about your situation but I agree with you how this ******* of a condition can arise in any of us for different reasons and as such, we have to find the 'right method' for managing it with skilled guidance. I was on the happy pills for a bit, but I'd say it was only when I'd confronted some of the issues from my past, changed some of my perspectives ('cognitive reframing,' I believe it's called) and working arrangements, along with re-connecting with what I felt was still good about myself and trying to transfer those feelings into situations where I was having difficulty, that things changed for the better. It felt like a slow process, but like one poster said early on in this thread, I think that I emerged as a stronger person for it. I've certainly got a lot more empathy for people who have depression - which is no bad thing as I see a lot of it in my work, sometimes in my colleagues too.
 
Thanks, Osy. I didn't know about your situation but I agree with you how this ******* of a condition can arise in any of us for different reasons and as such, we have to find the 'right method' for managing it with skilled guidance. I was on the happy pills for a bit, but I'd say it was only when I'd confronted some of the issues from my past, changed some of my perspectives ('cognitive reframing,' I believe it's called) and working arrangements, along with re-connecting with what I felt was still good about myself and trying to transfer those feelings into situations where I was having difficulty, that things changed for the better. It felt like a slow process, but like one poster said early on in this thread, I think that I emerged as a stronger person for it. I've certainly got a lot more empathy for people who have depression - which is no bad thing as I see a lot of it in my work, sometimes in my colleagues too.

Totally agree . it is one of the worst things untreated out there . Another point people tend not to mention is the lack of energy and enjoyment they get from doing things , that vanishes . If your in a rut your routine takes over and you justify what your doing as your sole reason to be (work , family life etc) , and you don't notice it disappearing .

Happy pills can work but only as a short term fix in most cases , always get teh therapy that comes with it . And be appreciative of the councillors and mental health people as well. Under resourced and a very small number to our population, and also in some cases suffers themselves
 
Thanks, Osy. I didn't know about your situation but I agree with you how this ******* of a condition can arise in any of us for different reasons and as such, we have to find the 'right method' for managing it with skilled guidance. I was on the happy pills for a bit, but I'd say it was only when I'd confronted some of the issues from my past, changed some of my perspectives ('cognitive reframing,' I believe it's called) and working arrangements, along with re-connecting with what I felt was still good about myself and trying to transfer those feelings into situations where I was having difficulty, that things changed for the better. It felt like a slow process, but like one poster said early on in this thread, I think that I emerged as a stronger person for it. I've certainly got a lot more empathy for people who have depression - which is no bad thing as I see a lot of it in my work, sometimes in my colleagues too.

Was that before you found how efficacious Spingo was mate?
 
Greg

I have only just read this thread,

Go easy on the tablets, they are very easy to rely on and a bugger to get off, they generally mask the symptons and do very little to address the cause.

I found myself on them for nearly two years and whilst i was a bit better at the end of it that was largely due to my personal situation changing as opposed to the drugs actually fixing it.

Personally, I feel that some depressions are not "curable" . A traumatic event may bring about temporary depression and the tablets may ease that until "the mind" heals, but if the depression keeps recurring , then its a case of getting to recongnise the triggers and how to react . This is where the counselling is vital.

I found that the counselling helped me come to terms with the issues, it made me realise that I had suffered from stress and depression for years (Events which happened in my childhood I now realise were depressive episodes) and above all, it helped me identify the start of a depression and gave me ways of dealing with it.

If you do go the counselling route, go in there with a completely open mind, it will have a faster benefit , than if the first couple of sessions are spent fighting against the ideas, they may seem complete balls but don't dismiss it. Also don't expect them to find something in your past which "caused" it, it doesn't work that way and they rarely do regression type stuff (see the technical term there) these days,
 
Greg

I have only just read this thread,

Go easy on the tablets, they are very easy to rely on and a bugger to get off, they generally mask the symptons and do very little to address the cause.

I found myself on them for nearly two years and whilst i was a bit better at the end of it that was largely due to my personal situation changing as opposed to the drugs actually fixing it.

Personally, I feel that some depressions are not "curable" . A traumatic event may bring about temporary depression and the tablets may ease that until "the mind" heals, but if the depression keeps recurring , then its a case of getting to recongnise the triggers and how to react . This is where the counselling is vital.

I found that the counselling helped me come to terms with the issues, it made me realise that I had suffered from stress and depression for years (Events which happened in my childhood I now realise were depressive episodes) and above all, it helped me identify the start of a depression and gave me ways of dealing with it.

If you do go the counselling route, go in there with a completely open mind, it will have a faster benefit , than if the first couple of sessions are spent fighting against the ideas, they may seem complete balls but don't dismiss it. Also don't expect them to find something in your past which "caused" it, it doesn't work that way and they rarely do regression type stuff (see the technical term there) these days,

What Firestorm said. The last time I was on them it was only for four months, but I decided to come of them early & through my excellent doctor, came off them slowly. It was tough going & to be honest, I needed to stay on them, but I didn't like the side effects! I won't mention them on here!

Make sure you are ready to come off them when you do and don't make the same mistake as me come off before you're ready.
 
Lots of good ideas been mentioned already.

I'll lower the tone and say if any depressed people want to go for a beer and a lapdancing club to cheer themselves up, even if it's just for a night, then i'll be available to accompany you.
 
Going to watch ShrimperZone II's and III's will also give you a laugh!

:happy:

Come and watch the I's and you will end up more stressed. Trust me. :dizzy:

Kev

P.s Plus you can meet Cricko and David Crown ( :Worthy: )
 
Hi All,

Again great advice on here. As I have already experienced in this short period of time that you have ups and downs and I have found today difficult. I am positive that one main reason for my depression coming on was a bad strain of flu that left me house bound for 4/5 weeks over Christmas. I am therefore hoping that with the pills and a positive attitude to slowly do more that I can improve. Particularly if I can shake the chest pains which are the cause of much anxiety.

A key point that many of you make is that depression can set in for so many different reasons and effect people in different ways. The nervous disposition that I have every day is difficult to accept but is something that eases if you can put your mind to something else and spend your time 'achieving' things such as getting out for a walk.

I would like to thank you all for your posts on this thread and the wonderful support you have provided by PM and I hope to stay in contact with many of you.

Thanks,
Greg
 
what a great thread, its so nice to know that you help each other. i have suffered from ptsd and deppresion for years and have always been very gaurded about it. nice to know i can be myself on here. have pmd for a chat with southend4ever
 
Again, thanks to everyone, and thanks so much for your continuing support that you have been sending via PM.

Thanks,
Greg
 
Again, thanks to everyone, and thanks so much for your continuing support that you have been sending via PM.

Thanks,
Greg

Greg - your pm box is full, so here's my reply to your pm:-

Hi Greg,

It was very difficult in the early days of the big D - like trying to punch my way out of a plastic bag.

Prozac did help initially but it was attending an 'Anxiety & Stress Management' group facilitated by members of a Community Mental Health Team which began the turn-around. They helped me to view things differently, eg. by getting me to think "what's the worst that can happen?" in situations that were causing me anxiety, encouraging me to relinquish perfectionist goals and helping me to identify what situations were causing me grief and how I could minimise their impact on my life.

I needed to get out of a stressful job for which I wasn't really equipped and eventually, a relationship which was grinding me down. I know some of the techniques that the therapists used were of a cognitive-behavioural type which Pubey mentioned. A lot of NHS counsellors use them when trying to help people with depression.

Basically, it's about confronting 'automatic negative thoughts' and replacing them with a different perspective, eg. what's the worst that can happen? It certainly helped to freshen up my approach and take some of the stress out of situations. Also, a good line to counter perfectionist thinking - where you set yourself unachievable goals and give yourself a hard time for not meeting them - is "it's not worth doing if you can't do it badly." A bit like turning perfectionism on its head. Also, remember to keep on doing activities you enjoy, exercise regularly and think about what you eat. You can really lard up when you're depressed then feel even worse about yourself.

It can take a while to turn the negative stuff around - but remember, when you come through this you will be stronger for it. It may not feel like it somedays, but you will feel better eventually. Just because you feel **** some days, don't let it stop you doing things. Activity helps get you into a different mindset - more positive - the less you do, the less you want to do: a vicious circle.

These are just a few things off the top of my head. You're right, there's a lot more information about it these days on the internet. But there's no substitute for increased activity as a way of countering the 'ANTS' (automatic negative thoughts). As we say in football when things are going against us, heads up and get into 'em!

All good ones and keep on keeping on!

Rob :thumbsup:
 
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