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Danny Waldron: pros and cons

dusterman

Nello
Is new guy holding out for either 14 or 10 shirts? Waldron is out of contract in the summer - wouldn't be a huge surprise if he left soon. Clearly not going to get much game time behind the current front 3 plus Hopper.
Not getting on the pitch on Tuesday was not a good sign for Danny. I always felt the 18-month deal was suspect too as it didn’t out much faith in him making it. I feel like he could do with a move to a team in NL with a full run like Sandat has at Wealdstone. Might come for him then. Feels like he needs that to flourish but hasn’t got it here for whatever reason.
 
Not getting on the pitch on Tuesday was not a good sign for Danny. I always felt the 18-month deal was suspect too as it didn’t out much faith in him making it. I feel like he could do with a move to a team in NL with a full run like Sandat has at Wealdstone. Might come for him then. Feels like he needs that to flourish but hasn’t got it here for whatever reason.
I felt sorry for him on Saturday with 5 minutes to go he was ready to go by the side of the pitch and then they changed their minds. I honestly don't think he's been given a chance this season unfortunately.

I can see him being loaned out or sold if the opportunity arises (quickly tries to get back on topic...)
 
I felt sorry for him on Saturday with 5 minutes to go he was ready to go by the side of the pitch and then they changed their minds. I honestly don't think he's been given a chance this season unfortunately.

I can see him being loaned out or sold if the opportunity arises (quickly tries to get back on topic...)
If I was Waldron I'd want to go out on loan somewhere I was going to play.

What is the deal with our transfer window? Does it ever close?
 
I felt sorry for him on Saturday with 5 minutes to go he was ready to go by the side of the pitch and then they changed their minds. I honestly don't think he's been given a chance this season unfortunately.

I can see him being loaned out or sold if the opportunity arises (quickly tries to get back on topic...)

Me too, but based on his previous employment he’s likely an extremely intelligent man and is planning a future away from here and possibly away from full time football- feel really bad for him😒
 
I don't understand the sentiment when feeling sorry for Waldron. He was 27 when we signed him, he wasn't a young player. Therefore, it was a big ask to make that step up, if he hadn't already done it earlier in his career. There was probably a reason he hadn't been signed by clubs higher up already.

Of course, he'll feel disappointed that it hasn't worked out, but he would have felt even more disappointed in his life if he hadn't tried and lived with the regret. He had a go and he needs to be commended for that. But all of this blame game against the management is ludicrous.

I've heard it so many times over the years from youth players that have been released, "I hate that manager or club because they released me. I would have made it if it wasn't for them!" Utter nonsense, you weren't good enough, that's all there is to it.

I worked with a sports coach in my school who was formerly at Charlton as a player under Chris Powell. He said, "I hate Chris Powell, he's a horrible bloke." No one has ever said that about him. Why was it said? Because he was released by Powell. He, and many others just maybe aren't good enough, and the same probably rests with Waldron unfortunately. But the narrative that Maher is some kind of career killer to both Waldron and Wood is absurd. Some players work out, some don't, it's as simple as that. It's so easy to pick out the two players that haven't played/'been given a chance', and ignore the numerous players that Kev and Co have played and improved drastically. It won't, and cant, happen to every player. This is football and players know this. It's not personal, it's the game they are in.
 
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I felt sorry for him on Saturday with 5 minutes to go he was ready to go by the side of the pitch and then they changed their minds. I honestly don't think he's been given a chance this season unfortunately.

I can see him being loaned out or sold if the opportunity arises (quickly tries to get back on topic...)
Yeah does feel like his face doesn’t fit at the mo. Which I think can happen with Kev, he needs to be convinced and sometimes you can’t do that for whatever reason. On the human side he gave up a lot to join us and that showed willing so hope when he goes he gets a crack at NL and one he deserves for giving it a go.
 
I don't understand the sentiment when feeling sorry for Waldron. He was 27 when we signed him, he wasn't a young player. Therefore, it was a big ask to make that step up, if he hadn't already done it earlier in his career already. There was probably a reason he hadn't been signed by clubs higher up already.

Of course, he'll feel disappointed that it hasn't worked out, but he would have felt even more disappointed in his life if he hadn't tried and lived with the regret. He had a go and he needs to be commended for that. But all of this blame game against the management is ludicrous.

I've heard it so many times over the years from youth players that have been released, "I hate that manager or club because they released me. I would have made it if it wasn't for them!" Utter nonsense, you weren't good enough, that's all there is to it.

I worked with a sports coach in my school who was formerly at Charlton as a player under Chris Powell. " I hate Chris Powell, horrible bloke." No one has ever said that about him. Why was it said? Because he was released by Powell. He, and many others just maybe aren't good enough, and the same probably rests with Waldron unfortunately. But the narrative that Maher is some kind of career killer to both Waldron and Wood is absurd. Some players work out, some don't, it's as simple as that. It's so easy to pick out the two players that haven't played/'been given a chance', and ignore the numerous players that Kev and Co have played and improved drastically. It won't, and cant, happen to every player. This is football and players know this. It's not personal, it's the game they are in.
Totally hear what you're saying but do you think Waldron has been given enough of a chance? It's not like our strikers have been banging in goals either. I'd love to have seen how he would fare with a big target man (like Hopper in fact) alongside him. Or maybe on the right of a front 3.
 
Quite right. No way we should be giving a player of that age longer.
It is bewildering that Danny Waldron has not been given a first-team start since his recovery from injury earlier this season. It is not as if Bonne, Kendall and Walker have been prolific. In fact, these strikers continue to be anything but clinical in front of goal, and on that basis have been extremely lucky to retain their places in the starting line-up. In terms of rational decision-making, it is decidedly odd that Kevin Maher has not been curious to see how Waldron would combine with Bonne or Kendall or Walker when the team has clearly struggled to score goals for much of the season.
 
Totally hear what you're saying but do you think Waldron has been given enough of a chance? It's not like our strikers have been banging in goals either. I'd love to have seen how he would fare with a big target man (like Hopper in fact) alongside him. Or maybe on the right of a front 3.
It's a fair point, but he had a good number of games alongside one of the best number 9's in the league, Cardwell.

Furthmore, he hasn't been available for a lot of the time either. Some may say that's unlucky, or some may say that's because his body can't adjust to full-time football. Non-league is nothing like it was and the NL is basically League 3. The manager's demand EFL standards from the players and some players just aren't up to it. The management team see him every single day, maybe he just can't cope with the physical demands.
 
It is bewildering that Danny Waldron has not been given a first-team start since his recovery from injury earlier this season. It is not as if Bonne, Kendall and Walker have been prolific. In fact, these strikers continue to be anything but clinical in front of goal, and on that basis have been extremely lucky to retain their places in the starting line-up. In terms of rational decision-making, it is decidedly odd that Kevin Maher has not been curious to see how Waldron would combine with Bonne or Kendall or Walker when the team has clearly struggled to score goals for much of the season.
Maybe ,just Maybe he will be given that chance tomorrow against Sittingbourne who knows , if he is given that opportunity i hope he takes it otherwise people here will continue to say he wasnt given an opportunity if he is and fails then all things will be dispelled , whatever the outcome should he go to another NL club i will wish him all the best, he made a hard decision to come here ,i for one was hoping like Vardy ay an older age it would work out for him .
 
Waldron was done for me at Barnet. He looked completely lost and then was injured for months.

It is good behaviour to cut the worst 20% of the squad and try to recruit the next best 20%. People need to stop hanging onto hopes about people that haven't cut it. He's at the highest level he's ever played and isn't what we hoped. It happens. He had a crack and it wasn't to be. 12 months is plenty enough for us to know we need to upgrade.
 
Waldron was done for me at Barnet. He looked completely lost and then was injured for months.

It is good behaviour to cut the worst 20% of the squad and try to recruit the next best 20%. People need to stop hanging onto hopes about people that haven't cut it. He's at the highest level he's ever played and isn't what we hoped. It happens. He had a crack and it wasn't to be. 12 months is plenty enough for us to know we need to upgrade.
Only thing I'd say about Waldron (and not to compare it to Wood, I do trust the three amigos judgment) but he's only played the equivalent of just over 3 games this season. Very hard to impact a game when you're 2-0 up and come on for the last five minutes when the whole tempo of the game is pretty low.

I really wanted it to work for him, spoke to his family on a few occasions and they were lovely. But for him it's probably best for a loan move. I'd imagine NLN but wouldn't be surprised to see him at Tamworth. I guess if he's living down this way then a local NLS (i.e Chelmsford) move might be on the cards so he can continue to train with us.
 
I don't understand the sentiment when feeling sorry for Waldron. He was 27 when we signed him, he wasn't a young player. Therefore, it was a big ask to make that step up, if he hadn't already done it earlier in his career. There was probably a reason he hadn't been signed by clubs higher up already.

Of course, he'll feel disappointed that it hasn't worked out, but he would have felt even more disappointed in his life if he hadn't tried and lived with the regret. He had a go and he needs to be commended for that. But all of this blame game against the management is ludicrous.

I've heard it so many times over the years from youth players that have been released, "I hate that manager or club because they released me. I would have made it if it wasn't for them!" Utter nonsense, you weren't good enough, that's all there is to it.

I worked with a sports coach in my school who was formerly at Charlton as a player under Chris Powell. He said, "I hate Chris Powell, he's a horrible bloke." No one has ever said that about him. Why was it said? Because he was released by Powell. He, and many others just maybe aren't good enough, and the same probably rests with Waldron unfortunately. But the narrative that Maher is some kind of career killer to both Waldron and Wood is absurd. Some players work out, some don't, it's as simple as that. It's so easy to pick out the two players that haven't played/'been given a chance', and ignore the numerous players that Kev and Co have played and improved drastically. It won't, and cant, happen to every player. This is football and players know this. It's not personal, it's the game they are in.
Agreed some players just aren't good enough and are found out. Hard to say about Waldron or Wood because neither have had a lot of minutes play and neither have had the opportunity, as now, with three up front and chances galore. A lot of our players have looked substandard playing the old way and now look like new signings. I would happily see Waldron coming on for Walker and seeing what he can do. I suspect he would look somewhat better than previously.
 
It's a fair point, but he had a good number of games alongside one of the best number 9's in the league, Cardwell.

Furthmore, he hasn't been available for a lot of the time either. Some may say that's unlucky, or some may say that's because his body can't adjust to full-time football. Non-league is nothing like it was and the NL is basically League 3. The manager's demand EFL standards from the players and some players just aren't up to it. The management team see him every single day, maybe he just can't cope with the physical demands.
I tend to think this year its mainly down to in jury?

Pre season he had a calf issue , last thing he needed trying to get up to speed? so didnt get into the side until 2 appearances I think against Boston on 20th August where he was highly praised by Kev for his running and link up play with Cardwell.

Then a week later came the game against Barnet where he probably picked up a damaging knee injury leading to a massive and missing of 14 games. Thats a n awful lot and big impact on his efforts to get underway

That meant he was out for OVER 3 MONTHS, appearing next on the 23rd November.. where he played some time I think against Forest Green but was back on the bench against Woking on 26th November

The knee issued flared up and c actually continued and Kevin confirmed that. It also meant another 5 games missed until the 18th January

So most of Dannys season has been m shattered and missed due to this unfortunate Knee injury , meaning he could only manage brief cameos
You may consider him injury prone, very unlucky ,as some players are but Im not convinced hes stood much of a chance given the injury scenario above which may continue as more the issue. We dont seem to have had much detailed info on this?
 
Waldron plays against our defense every day in training (when he isn’t injured)

If the management team deem him not good enough, so be it.

They watch him 3/4 hours a day, 4/5 days a week.

They clearly don’t think he is good enough.

They don’t just not play people to spite them.

I don’t get why you’d expect it to be different on a Saturday.
 
Waldron plays against our defense every day in training (when he isn’t injured)

If the management team deem him not good enough, so be it.

They watch him 3/4 hours a day, 4/5 days a week.

They clearly don’t think he is good enough.

They don’t just not play people to spite them.

I don’t get why you’d expect it to be different on a Saturday.
He might not if injured for 4 months?
 
I tend to think this year its mainly down to in jury?

Pre season he had a calf issue , last thing he needed trying to get up to speed? so didnt get into the side until 2 appearances I think against Boston on 20th August where he was highly praised by Kev for his running and link up play with Cardwell.

Then a week later came the game against Barnet where he probably picked up a damaging knee injury leading to a massive and missing of 14 games. Thats a n awful lot and big impact on his efforts to get underway

That meant he was out for OVER 3 MONTHS, appearing next on the 23rd November.. where he played some time I think against Forest Green but was back on the bench against Woking on 26th November

The knee issued flared up and c actually continued and Kevin confirmed that. It also meant another 5 games missed until the 18th January

So most of Dannys season has been m shattered and missed due to this unfortunate Knee injury , meaning he could only manage brief cameos
You may consider him injury prone, very unlucky ,as some players are but Im not convinced hes stood much of a chance given the injury scenario above which may continue as more the issue. We dont seem to have had much detailed info on this?
You are spot on in pointing out his injury woes. I would also suggest he has been incredibly unlucky in their timing. He signed an eighteen month contract at the back of last season which made the pre season and first six weeks of the new season the most important time of his career as it was then he needed to establish himself. Instead he had an interrupted pre season before picking up a knee injury which kept him out, as noted above, for fourteen weeks. That injury ensured he was unavailable when, the wake of Cardwell's departure, he likely would have been given ample game time.
Things just have not worked out for him. Football (and life) can sometimes be like that.
Right now a loan would seem a sensible option for all parties. Who knows, if while elsewhere he was able to rediscover the form that first brought him to our attention he might yet be offered another deal. Stranger things have happened in football.
 
Sadly he must be bloody awful in training to not get on in front of walker or bonne, or to have replaced bim on 60 mins, Or get 20 mins here and there when we are winning.

Win some you lose some.
 

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