Council houses for life to go?

[osymandus]

It would solve a whole host of problems.....from large issues such as budget deficet, unskilled immigration and unemploymemt to smaller things like making all our communities cleaner etc.

IMHO choosing not to work is not an option and those that cant seem to find a job by their own means (Unless properly disabled) need to be pushed to do something.




Of course we could do what Labour have done and reward people for not working, teenage mums etc and tax the hard workers...Superb.

Well having been both sides and now considered on the disabled list as well btw whats your definition of proper disabled ? I can tell you the Job Centre peeps et all groups who help people back into work know your idea doesn't work, human beings get bored , they need a proper motivation that stimulates them , a structure of discipline that show's they get rewarded (hey we're just hairless ape's what diod you expect , ape get banana and shag ape happy , its like human get Ipad and oral sex man happy . You have to match people up with their skills and the right job . Its lovely successful people deciding others should be exactly like them , however human beings society and the whole structure of employment doesn't work on just one view point, and its impossible to make it so .

TO make what you want work you have to teach people self responsibility . Not a social idea of responsibility but one that involves them being aware they are totally free to do what they wish .... and take the consequences for it (from bottom up ), you steal you lose positions , you loose £5 million by trading you lose that . Everyone takes responsibility for their actions and the consequences

 

[OldBlueLady]

TO make what you want work you have to teach people self responsibility . Not a social idea of responsibility but one that involves them being aware they are totally free to do what they wish .... and take the consequences for it (from bottom up ), you steal you lose positions , you loose £5 million by trading you lose that . Everyone takes responsibility for their actions and the consequences

This is the key to everything though isn't it? Self responsibility from a young age, not the expectation that the state will provide. I have no problem with people being allocated council housing but there are far too many people that work the system to their benefit when they really should be being made to find employment. Once children are of a certain (employable) age, then the "right" to housing should decline as those numbers of adults should be able to motivate themselves to support themselves. Once you become elderly or disabled then again, no problem with housing being provided if it is truly deserved, but no way should it be able to be "passed on".

It's so linked in with the faults in the benefit system, if feckless people were made to work in the community for their benefits, they might actually get off their bums and decide to do something about their employment situation. If they did then their suitability for council housing might decline as well, it shouldn't be seen as a permanent entitlement but should be reviewed periodically, and assessed against their giant plasma tvs and other luxuries acquired.

 

[Pak Power]

On topic, but closer to home, I wonder what will become of the council tenants in St. Mary's Court.(assuming the original proposal to demolish St. Mary's Court is still on the agenda if we eventually move) Will there be a system in place locally to house the people living there? And, if so
I wonder what if any choices they will get>

 

[Mad Cyril]

there are far too many people that work the system to their benefit when they really should be being made to find employment.

How exactly do you make people find employment?

 

[OldBlueLady]

How exactly do you make people find employment?

You get them off their bums and doing something, it's called motivation.

 

[EastStandBlue]

Makes perfect sense to me. Why should people be able to pass these onto kids etc?

This.

You don't own the house, so you don't have the opportunity to leave it to your children. Each case should be read on its individual merits... If there's someone on the register more deserving of the house than you, then they get it. When I lived in Eastbourne, I lived down a road that was notorious for having a large drug problem and there were a few council houses. One particular house a few doors down was passed on to the daughter of someone else who took it upon herself to turn it into a doss for every waif and stray.

Within a month, it had been raided on two seperate occasions for drugs, had Police visits three Fridays in a row for disturbances and, eventually, a young lad was stabbed outside the house in a row over a drug trade.

 

[Mad Cyril]

You get them off their bums and doing something, it's called motivation.

Perhaps it might motivate someone to burgle your or my house rather than perform a minimum wage job in a poultry processing factory?

 

[OldBlueLady]

Perhaps it might motivate someone to burgle your or my house rather than perform a minimum wage job in a poultry processing factory?

Have already had that experience thank you, they were kids from a council house estate, hence agreeing with the point about self responsibility, and why, anyway should people consider any form of work beneath them? There is such a thing as pride, and pride and self respect should make you WANT to work rather than sit on your bum doing naff all and getting paid for the priviledge. I'm not by any means tarring all unemployed people with that brush, but there are far too many that expect it all and do nothing for it - it's these types that are frequently to be found in council housing, which is what I object to.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

How exactly do you make people find employment?

Fair question.:unsure:

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Strange... I buy my properties to house those who couldn't otherwise get a mortgage.

You are all "self self self" aren't you. Have you thought of voting Tory?

MC,
You're beginning to sound a lot like my wife.;)
Perhaps I should get the two of you together? :unsure:

 

[osymandus]

This is the key to everything though isn't it? Self responsibility from a young age, not the expectation that the state will provide. I have no problem with people being allocated council housing but there are far too many people that work the system to their benefit when they really should be being made to find employment. Once children are of a certain (employable) age, then the "right" to housing should decline as those numbers of adults should be able to motivate themselves to support themselves. Once you become elderly or disabled then again, no problem with housing being provided if it is truly deserved, but no way should it be able to be "passed on".

It's so linked in with the faults in the benefit system, if feckless people were made to work in the community for their benefits, they might actually get off their bums and decide to do something about their employment situation. If they did then their suitability for council housing might decline as well, it shouldn't be seen as a permanent entitlement but should be reviewed periodically, and assessed against their giant plasma tvs and other luxuries acquired.

Goes even further then that OBL . responsibility irrespective of social or perceived ethical idea's . A person's first responsibilty is to .. themselves once tehy know and understand that they will come to know and better help qand understand others . If you dont't have time to do that , the fault is then the individuals . The benift along with how all our social systems work stem from how our society is steered and as you say the Plasma tellys 2 houses , 2 cars , we in a consumer based society , need to make teh decision of what we want and how it affects everyone in your general location.

The problem with saying a "feckless" person working in chairty based or social is they wont be any good for what your "forcing " them into . We need to better discover what peopel are good at from schooling age , by the time of adults its a lot harder to change .

 

[osymandus]

Have already had that experience thank you, they were kids from a council house estate, hence agreeing with the point about self responsibility, and why, anyway should people consider any form of work beneath them? There is such a thing as pride, and pride and self respect should make you WANT to work rather than sit on your bum doing naff all and getting paid for the priviledge. I'm not by any means tarring all unemployed people with that brush, but there are far too many that expect it all and do nothing for it - it's these types that are frequently to be found in council housing, which is what I object to.

It's their pride that makes them percieve certaining jobs are beneath them and a socail pride ;). Bin men and women are essential as are sewage personell and of course Nurses yet who gets the most respect them or international stars, writers or entertainers !

 

[Mad Cyril]

anyway should people consider any form of work beneath them? There is such a thing as pride, and pride and self respect should make you WANT to work rather than sit on your bum doing naff all and getting paid for the priviledge.

I performed a sh!t job in a sponge factory (pre-minumum wage) for 18 months and I didn't notice any of my co-workers swelling with pride.

 

[OldBlueLady]

I performed a sh!t factory job in a sponge factory for 18 months and it didn't do much for my sense of pride.

But did you not feel a sense of self satisfaction that you were at least earning your money?

 

[Mad Cyril]

It's their pride that makes them percieve certaining jobs are beneath them and a socail pride ;). Bin men and women are essential as are sewage personell and of course Nurses yet who gets the most respect them or international stars, writers or entertainers !

Jobs aren't beneath people. Salarys are.

 

[osymandus]

Jobs aren't beneath people. Salarys are.

Actually its their perception of both.

 

[Mad Cyril]

But did you not feel a sense of self satisfaction that you were at least earning your money?

Not really. I just felt a sense of bitter resentment for those that had it sweet working in the J-cloth department.

 

[Napster]

Not really. I just felt a sense of bitter resentment for those that had it seet working in the J-cloth department.

that would have been me. I think I worked there in the mid-90s, separating pulp fibre.

 

[Mad Cyril]

that would have been me. I think I worked there in the mid-90s, separating pulp fibre.

I worked at the Sutton road industrial estate chapter where I loaded/unloaded sponges, scourers, J-cloths on to/out of trucks.

 

[Hotman]

MC,
You're beginning to sound a lot like my wife.;)

That explains why you keep flirting with me x