Council houses for life to go?

[Tangled up in Blue]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/aug/03/lifetime-council-tenancies-contracts-cameron

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

I'm impressed by Cameron's willingness to question the status of sacred cows like this.

It's what any radical, progressive government needs to do.

 

[dloman]

Makes perfect sense to me. Why should people be able to pass these onto kids etc?

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I'm impressed by Cameron's willingness to question the status of sacred cows like this.

It's what any right wing,reactionary Tory government needs to do.

(Edited for accuracy)

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

I'm impressed by Cameron's willingness to question the status of sacred cows like this.

It's what any right wing,reactionary Tory government needs to do.

(Edited for inaccuracy)

Please explain what exactly is reactionary about questioning things (and the status quo in particular)?

 

[Mad Cyril]

Nothing wrong with forcing people who can afford it to move into private housing - assuming the criteria for being able to afford to do so is reasonable and this isn't a populist ruse to give perceived scroungers a kicking. I expect smoking, drinking and Sky sports subscriptions will be grounds for immediate eviction.

Presumably Dave will use any savings to build more social housing?

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Please explain what exactly is reactionary about questioning things (and the status quo in particular)?

Funnily enough I was going to ask YOU to explain exactly what was so " radical and progressive" about the idea.
FWIW I think Call Me Dave's plans to get the banks lending again (which I read about in the Daily Mail today-(not my usual choice of paper)-sound as if they could be genuinely radical and progressive.
In answer to your quesion; IMO any plan to let council houses for a fixed term of say 5/10 years would only create ghetto type estates where people who are unemployed have no incentive to get a job.
The real problem with housing in the UK is the lack of it(at an affordable price).Young couples now have to find a 25% deposit whereas before the crisis they only needed to raise 10%.
That is precisely the sort of issue that needs to be addressed by the new CON-Lib government.
Over to you to explain what's radical and progressive about the plan.;)

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

Funnily enough I was going to ask YOU to explain exactly what was so " radical and progressive" about the idea.
FWIW I think Call Me Dave's plans to get the banks lending again (which I read about in the Daily Mail today-not my usual choice of paper)sound as if they could be genuinely radical and progressive.
In answer to your quesion; IMO any plan to let council houses for a fixed term of say 5/10 years would only create ghetto type estates where people who are unemployed have no incentive to get a job.
The real problem with housing in the UK is the lack of it(at an affordable price).Young couples now have to find a 25% deposit whereas before the crisis they only needed to raise 10%.
That is precisely the sort of issue that needs to be addressed by the new CON-Lib government.
Over to you to explain what's radical and progressive about the plan.;)

I didn't say it was, what I said was radical and progressive was the willingness to reconsider the status of sacred cows.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Nothing wrong with forcing people who can afford it to move into private housing - assuming the criteria for being able to afford to do so is reasonable and this isn't a populist ruse to give perceived scroungers a kicking. I expect smoking, drinking and Sky sports subscriptions will be grounds for immediate eviction.

Presumably Dave will use any savings to build more social housing?[/QUOTE]

Have you seen any flying pigs in Southend this week,Cyril? :)

 

[Napster]

Young couples now have to find a 25% deposit whereas before the crisis they only needed to raise 10%.
)

Funnily enough I blame your generation for this. Everyone has invested in property prices going up, and the ladder is getting harder to get onto - as your generation has effectively stiffed the market. Add in the buy-to-let skewing the supply even further, and we're left with a property sector that favours the rich, old and middle-class.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Funnily enough I blame your generation for this. Everyone has invested in property prices going up, and the ladder is getting harder to get onto - as your generation has effectively stiffed the market. Add in the buy-to-let skewing the supply even further, and we're left with a property sector that favours the rich, old and middle-class.

And what would you have us baby boomers do exactly, Naps? :unsure:
FWIW I bought the house I own(jointly with my wife), to live in with her and our family, and not as some sort of hedge against inflation.
I'll be happy to pass it on to our children when it's my time to shuffle off this mortal coil.:)

 

[osymandus]

I was surprised to learn that back in the 70's my old dear Granmama in Brentwood was offered exactly the same thing (appears Brentwood council have been doing this before ) . She certainly want rich and lived on her own and was given £1000 to help with teh move (i believe this may have been pre decimalization as well ). As of ocurse teh Tories famously sold off teh houses , can this really make up for it ?
I would personally love to see them adopt the swedish model of caped property prices , but on these forms of houses.

I dont like that a foundation and personification of wealth iin this country is so based on propertity but hey thats never going to change over night .

 

[Hotman]

Please explain what exactly is reactionary about questioning things (and the status quo in particular)?

It's reactionary because Labour didn't do it.

 

[Hotman]

And what would you have us baby boomers do exactly, Naps? :unsure:
FWIW I bought the house I own(jointly with my wife), to live in with her and our family, and not as some sort of hedge against inflation.
I'll be happy to pass it on to our children when it's my time to shuffle off this mortal coil.:)

Strange... I buy my properties to house those who couldn't otherwise get a mortgage.

You are all "self self self" aren't you. Have you thought of voting Tory?

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Strange... I buy my properties to house those who couldn't otherwise get a mortgage.

You are all "self self self" aren't you. Have you thought of voting Tory?[/QUOTE]

No, never.But i imagine you have? ;)
BTW the only property I've ever bought is the house I live in.

 

[Tommy2holes]

I know one couple who have a 3 bed council house because they had kids. Kids are all grown up now and moved out. They are both on benefit so not only are the government paying for there rent they have 2 spare rooms. There are families out there in 1 or 2 bed flats because of situations like this.

I also know a retired couple whos kids left the house 25 years ago. Both are pensioners on housing benefit and again have a 3 bedroom house with 2 spare rooms.

I applaud camerons efforts in that respect , but moving people out is going to cause carnage. They created this problem in the 70 and 80's by offering council properties cheap to buy votes.

We need more affordable housing or a huge building of new council homes. As a private tenant who has no chance of getting on the housing market or on any council list i am at the mercy of greedy landlords. And im am guessing i am not alone.

 

[Moridin]

The general consensus in the Rents Section of a certain Local Authority Housing Department today was "Thank the ****ing Lord for that".

A few dissenting voices that failed to see how the plan would help alleviate any problems in the Sector were quickly drowned out with the joyous laughter.......

 

[DTS]

Personally I think its appauling that people expect the state to provide for them long term. However these people will get the cumupence as the state is quickly reducing all the benefits paid. However sadly this effects all of us as state pensions are being reduced, state retirement age raised, and of course benefits for people that really need it wont be there due to the work shy culture that we have in this country.

I think the sad truth is a lot of British people dont want to work or think working low paid jobs is below them.

My father in law (Arabic by birth before he is accused of being a racist) has the right idea. Everyone gets two years in council accomodation to sort themselves out. After that they are put into a camp (good enough for our brave soldiers) and they work doing community jobs to benefit the state/councilsix days a week. If they want time off for a interview no problems.

An incentive for them to go and find work if I ever saw one. I personally think it takes the **** that probably every poster on here knows a few people of working age that cant be arsed to work and we support them.

Time for a change to this scared to offend or question anyone state. Good on you D.C

 

[osymandus]

Personally I think its appauling that people expect the state to provide for them long term. However these people will get the cumupence as the state is quickly reducing all the benefits paid. However sadly this effects all of us as state pensions are being reduced, state retirement age raised, and of course benefits for people that really need it wont be there due to the work shy culture that we have in this country.

I think the sad truth is a lot of British people dont want to work or think working low paid jobs is below them.

My father in law (Arabic by birth before he is accused of being a racist) has the right idea. Everyone gets two years in council accomodation to sort themselves out. After that they are put into a camp (good enough for our brave soldiers) and they work doing community jobs to benefit the state/councilsix days a week. If they want time off for a interview no problems.

An incentive for them to go and find work if I ever saw one. I personally think it takes the **** that probably every poster on here knows a few people of working age that cant be arsed to work and we support them.

Time for a change to this scared to offend or question anyone state. Good on you D.C

Don;t solve teh problem just buries it under short term issue like most of the worlds civilization (and which Arabic society does your father in law herrald from , one where they believe in hard work to help all , or one where hard work is ingrained in them with no choice and they continue out of fear of death , its not a judgment its a query ?).

A society exists by teh ideologies of the people who made it and maintain it . If teh people within it no longer have teh will or way to do so maybe its more of an issue of why , not of what or how .

 

[DTS]

It would solve a whole host of problems.....from large issues such as budget deficet, unskilled immigration and unemploymemt to smaller things like making all our communities cleaner etc.

IMHO choosing not to work is not an option and those that cant seem to find a job by their own means (Unless properly disabled) need to be pushed to do something.

Of course we could do what Labour have done and reward people for not working, teenage mums etc and tax the hard workers...Superb.