Coronavirus (Non-Politics)

[Shrimpers are Magic]

Mondays are always low - there is a lag over the weekend

Yes, however, Mondays figures are better than last Monday's figures and the Monday figures two weeks ago if you follow me.

 

[Shrimpers are Magic]

Targets can work, but targets ought not to be the major factor in managing, be it in the NHS, Police, Courts or elsewhere.

Agreed, they shouldn't be, unfortunately...

 

[GBJ]

Like we had a run on bog roll. Wouldn't have thought puffing away is a good idea with a killer respiratory disease at large.

I’m no expert, and this is completey anecdotal (and potentially medically impossible) but I was a smoker since the age of 16-17, up until my 30th birthday, which was 3 and a half years ago.

As a kid growing up, I used to get tonsillitis quite frequently (at least twice per year), alongside all the other illnesses and ailments that kids tend to get regularly.

During my smoking years, I never had tonsillitis. I also seemed to go without flu’s, throat/chest infections or anything of that nature.

About 6 weeks after giving up, I got tonsillitis. First time in probably 15-years. It knocked me bandy. I was in bed for two weeks, fully dosed up on antibiotics. In the last 3 years, I’ve had it again, on two separate occasions, aswell as regular bouts of chest/throat infections.

Anyway, I was told that when you smoke a fag, the top few levels of cells in your mouth and throat die, due to the carbon monoxide. And of course, the more you smoke, the less chance those cells have to regenerate. So if the virus spores ever made their way into my mouth, it couldn’t be absorbed into the body and spread, because the cells it was trying to infect, were essentially dead already.

Of course, I’m no medical expert, so that could all be bollocks ? But nevertheless, it seemed an interesting coincidence.

 

[Blue Yonder]

Like we had a run on bog roll. Wouldn't have thought puffing away is a good idea with a killer respiratory disease at large.

Yep it is counter intuitive.

 

[Shrimpers are Magic]

Of course, I’m no medical expert, so that could all be bollocks ? But nevertheless, it seemed an interesting coincidence.

With the greatest respect - it's bollocks

 

[Shrimpers are Magic]

Yep it is counter intuitive.

Good word.

 

[GBJ]

With the greatest respect - it's bollocks

I was told that, by a very reputable & respectable street pharmacist, whilst we were sampling his wares, in some random persons kitchen at 4am.

If that’s not credible, then I don’t know what is.

 

[Billy Bests boot laces]

I’m no expert, and this is completey anecdotal (and potentially medically impossible) but I was a smoker since the age of 16-17, up until my 30th birthday, which was 3 and a half years ago.
As a kid growing up, I used to get tonsillitis quite frequently (at least twice per year), alongside all the other illnesses and ailments that kids tend to get regularly.
During my smoking years, I never had tonsillitis. I also seemed to go without flu’s, throat/chest infections or anything of that nature.
About 6 weeks after giving up, I got tonsillitis. First time in probably 15-years. It knocked me bandy. I was in bed for two weeks, fully dosed up on antibiotics. In the last 3 years, I’ve had it again, on two separate occasions, aswell as regular bouts of chest/throat infections.
Anyway, I was told that when you smoke a fag, the top few levels of cells in your mouth and throat die, due to the carbon monoxide. And of course, the more you smoke, the less chance those cells have to regenerate. So if the virus spores ever made their way into my mouth, it couldn’t be absorbed into the body and spread, because the cells it was trying to infect, were essentially dead already.
Of course, I’m no medical expert, so that could all be bollocks ? But nevertheless, it seemed an interesting coincidence.

I've smoked for 50 years, go to Belgium to get mine, half price compared to over here. Not proud of it, i am what i am.
Used to run marathons in 80's, best time 3 hrs 7 mins!. Still run 4-5 times weekly, & 3 of those runs up the steps opp Leigh Station. Get to the top, not heaving over.
Possibly sooner or later, the big 'C' will get me, or sun damage as i still bask in the sunshine, or maybe the virus or something else?.
Yet if i get one cold/ sore throat a year, it's rare. Down to my genes, luck, or what you state above, who knows?.

 

[GBJ]

I've smoked for 50 years, go to Belgium to get mine, half price compared to over here. Not proud of it, i am what i am.
Used to run marathons in 80's, best time 3 hrs 7 mins!. Still run 4-5 times weekly, & 3 of those runs up the steps opp Leigh Station. Get to the top, not heaving over.
Possibly sooner or later, the big 'C' will get me, or sun damage as i still bask in the sunshine, or maybe the virus or something else?.
Yet if i get one cold/ sore throat a year, it's rare. Down to my genes, luck, or what you state above, who knows?.

I used to do the Belgium run too. I’d take the ferry over to Calais, then drive to De Panne for the day, which is a beautiful seaside resort, with a quaint little cobbled-street town. They serve the proper beer over there too... straight out of a wooden barrel.

Then a quick stop in Adinkerke on the way back, to stock up.

Great days.

 

[Shrimpers are Magic]

I've smoked since I was far too young and gave up 4 to 5 years ago - it was killing me.
I'm not anti smoking at all, freedom for all and all that but, lets not bulls***, smoking kills prematurely and leads to all sorts of other nasty complications.
It's not going to protect you against a virus which leads to respiratory disease.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Are you questioning the integrity of the CMO, the head of science and all the other NHS, medical/scientific expertise whose guidance we’re following?
Because if you are then I’d be interested to know who you would suggest we do listen to unless of course it’s Twitter and Facebook where everyone appears to have become an expert in pandemic science overnight.

I'm saying 'There is still no restrictions on anyone arriving at UK airports - was clarified on ITV tonight that there is no date set to bring in any testing / isolation for airport arrivals. Strange when the rest of us are stuck in our homes'.

I can't say more that stating basic facts because this is a football forum.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Around 4-5 weeks ago, an Scientific Institute somewhere on the West coast of California, predicted on the evidence at the time, the UK would exceed 37,500 deaths by early Aug.
At that time we'd had a couple of thousand fatalities.
I thought they were 'nuts' predicting that by Aug. Dear me, odds on we're pass that figure this month?.

Financial Times are working on the basis of excess deaths and their journalist Chris Giles tweeted today that their conservative estimate of UK excess deaths due to C-19 is 53,800 as of today. They are using ONS data to come up with that figure.
@ChrisGiles_ if anyone wants to take a look at their methodology and graphs and then explain them to me!

 

[maninasuitcase]

Grim news, our death toll has overtaken Italy now.

 

[pottster]

Grim news, our death toll has overtaken Italy now.

Its grim although I suspect Italy are much higher as they are not recording care home and community deaths (I believe and stand to be corrected!)

 

[OldBlueLady]

How do nurses and doctors at the 'coal front' help provide more PPE? I want nurses and doctors to provide effective nursing and clinical care - this is what they trained to do and what they (hopefully) want to do. I want procurement managers and accountants and analysts ensuring that the complex processes are in place to ensure that there is appropriate PPE and equipment for the nurses and doctors to safely do their jobs. People criticise the NHS for having lots of managers and 'non-clinical' staff but I generally think people don't really understand what it's actually like inside the NHS and how complex it is to provide staffing and equipment and effective care when things are so uncertain.

Not sure about the care homes situation, Tinks might be able to offer an opinion.

Quite simple, the "chiefs" are earning huge salaries whereas those "at the coal face", are earning a fraction. Get rid of some of the chiefs and employ more of the workers. Simplify things.

Grim news, our death toll has overtaken Italy now.

I don't like all the comparisons between countries - other countries are not reporting in the same way so how can you compare?

 

[Shrimpers are Magic]

I'm saying 'There is still no restrictions on anyone arriving at UK airports - was clarified on ITV tonight that there is no date set to bring in any testing / isolation for airport arrivals. Strange when the rest of us are stuck in our homes'.

I can't say more that stating basic facts because this is a football forum.

We’re not stuck in our homes at all. We’re being asked to work from home if possible and to minimise outdoor contact by only making essential journeys and for exercise.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

We’re not stuck in our homes at all. We’re being asked to work from home if possible and to minimise outdoor contact by only making essential journeys and for exercise.

I summed that up as ‘stuck in our homes’, what phrase would you rather use?

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

I summed that up as ‘stuck in our homes’, what phrase would you rather use?

Following sage advised isolating recommendations?

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Its grim although I suspect Italy are much higher as they are not recording care home and community deaths (I believe and stand to be corrected!)

Coronavirus: Can you compare the UK with Italy?

The UK has passed Italy's death toll but it's hard to make direct comparisons.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Member]

Quite simple, the "chiefs" are earning huge salaries whereas those "at the coal face", are earning a fraction. Get rid of some of the chiefs and employ more of the workers. Simplify things.

Like it or not we need chiefs in any business or organisation. NHS and government organisations are constantly reorganising to avoid paying huge staff salaries unnecessarily. I agree there's wastage and inefficiency in the NHS as with any other public or private organisation, and there are high earners taking the ****, but carte blanche sacking high earners isn't feasible or sensible. If you want your hospitals to be lead by experienced nurses and doctors then the salaries paid should be commensurate with that. An experienced consultant will earn six figures, a CEO in a private organisation of equivalent headcount will likely earn multiples more than an NHS trust executive. Controlling wages in the public sector could be influenced by limiting salaries and bonuses in the private sector.

The other way to address inequity in pay is to improve worker rights and pay our nurses and auxiliary/associated staff much more. Care staff and nurses are key workers, fingers crossed after COVID we recognise them formally as such and pay them what they deserve.