Champs League Draw

[J]

Quote[/b] (mattytheshrimper @ Dec. 15 2006,12:01)]as i said (if you can't read) they aren't all english but they at least have a few. chelsea, man u and liverpool have about 4-5 english players in there starting line ups.

all i said was i would rather a club FROM england win rather than some spanish or italien team win. call me crazy!

are you not going to answer my question? can't you read or something?

 

[C C Csiders]

Quote[/b] (CS J @ Dec. 15 2006,12:09)]

Quote[/b] (C C Csiders @ Dec. 15 2006,12:01)]

Quote[/b] (CS J @ Dec. 15 2006,11:58)]

Quote[/b] (mattytheshrimper @ Dec. 15 2006,11:51)]arsenal = english

man u = english

liverpool = english

chelsea = english

need more explaining cj s or am i going to fast. they may not have a huge amount of english players in the squad but they are from england and i would rather see any of them win it than say real madrid milan etc etc.

that ok with you?

how many of those have 11 english players.. and english managers? am i going too fast?

When was the last time Southend fielded 11 English players?

who said fielding 11 english players? i said have they got 11 english players?

Manchester United have certainly got 11 English players they could field. They could line-up thus:

Foster (on loan at Watford); Neville, Brown, Ferdinand, Shawcross; Jones (on loan at Derby), Carrick, Scholes, Richardson; Rooney, Smith.

 

[mattytheshrimper]

the answer to your question is none have english managers and they havn't got 11 english players starting. what league team has these days?

 

[C C Csiders]

Quote[/b] (mattytheshrimper @ Dec. 15 2006,12:18)]the answer to your question is none have english managers and they havn't got 11 english players starting. what league team has these days?

For that matter, how many Spanish, German, Italian, French etc. teams can field a starting line-up plus their coach/manager all from the home country.

At a guess, of those teams left in the Champions League and UEFA Cup I would say none.

I would also guess that one would need to slip your way down to League One to find any team in this country whose team this weekend will consist of an Engliah manager and 11 English players. Could even be League Two.

 

[mattytheshrimper]

seriously cs j, why do you have to start an argument out of everything, all the arguments you start are always pointless ones two. the amoutn of times iv come on here and your having argument against the whole of the sz. and usually your wrong.

why?

thats what i want to know?

i said come on england! am i not aloud? have you anger problems or being bullied???

 

[Slipperduke]

Actually, I've got to side with CSJ on this one.

I couldn't give a flying f%ck about any of those bloated bastards in the Premiership. If it was down to me, they'd all get knocked out in the groups.

All the CL does in give the same big clubs another extended period in the money trough. They get bigger, the gap gets bigger and football gets worse and worse.

Besides which, what's good about a team of surly multi-national millionaires going on a cup run?

 

[Hong Kong Blue]

Its not about fielding 11 English players, its about the club having an English heart.

Southend are a great example of that. In fact I wouldn't describe us as an English club, I'd go further and describe us as an Essex club. The heartbeat of this club on the pitch is local players like Adam Barrett and Spencer Prior, whilst the captain is an Essex boy who has been at the club nearly a decade and the star striker is another Essex boy. I identify this team with the county. Off the pitch the manager is an Essex boy, so is the assistant, the chairman is an Essex businessman. The fans are from Essex and identify themselves as Essex, the club's rivals are Col******r.


Compare that to Arsenal. The most widely spoken language is French, the manager is French, none of the first team players come from England, or even in the UK. On the pitch the heartbeat of the team in recent years has been Viera and Henry. Viera might now have gone but instead you've Fabregras, again not English. A season isn't defined in relation to Spurs. Instead fans define their season in relation to their performance in Europe (not even in relation to the premier$hite). What links them to England? Well, they have a history and tradition that links them to England - but they've lost a lot of that by moving away from Highbury. Ashburton - surely Ashford would have more handy for the Eurostar for that club's real heart.

The likes of Man U, Liverpool and Chelsea at least have English players and an English heart (the most important players at each club being English eg G. Neville, Giggs, Rooney; Gerrard, Carragher; Terry, Lampard) but otherwise these clubs links to English football is tenuous. An European Cup game against Benfica is more important to Man Utd than a game against Man City, and a similar story is true for Liverpool and Everton and Chelsea and Fulham/West Ham etc. Moreover these clubs see themselves as having outgrown the confines of English football. Only Liverpool (although its a matter of time) remain owned by English owners. Where is the soul of Man U? Personally I think its probably in a Man U megastore in South Korea. Liverpool's would be somewhere in Singapore and Chelsea's would probably be split between the emerging footballing markets of China and the US.

I understand that football, and life, moves on. Those clubs have outgrown their century old domestic rivalries, they've become world clubs. That's fine, just don't expect me to support them because "they are English", because they aren't. I've no emotional attachment to any of them.

 

[mattytheshrimper]

my point is why does cs j have to start an argument over everything?

 

[Sussex Shrimper]

Trust the scum to get the easiest draw possible. It's probably asking too much for Lille to get yet another result against them.

 

[SARF]

Quote[/b] (Hong Kong Blue @ Dec. 15 2006,12:36)]Its not about fielding 11 English players, its about the club having an English heart.

Southend are a great example of that. In fact I wouldn't describe us as an English club, I'd go further and describe us as an Essex club. The heartbeat of this club on the pitch is local players like Adam Barrett and Spencer Prior, whilst the captain is an Essex boy who has been at the club nearly a decade and the star striker is another Essex boy. I identify this team with the county. Off the pitch the manager is an Essex boy, so is the assistant, the chairman is an Essex businessman. The fans are from Essex and identify themselves as Essex, the club's rivals are Col******r.


Compare that to Arsenal. The most widely spoken language is French, the manager is French, none of the first team players come from England, or even in the UK. On the pitch the heartbeat of the team in recent years has been Viera and Henry. Viera might now have gone but instead you've Fabregras, again not English. A season isn't defined in relation to Spurs. Instead fans define their season in relation to their performance in Europe (not even in relation to the premier$hite). What links them to England? Well, they have a history and tradition that links them to England - but they've lost a lot of that by moving away from Highbury. Ashburton - surely Ashford would have more handy for the Eurostar for that club's real heart.

The likes of Man U, Liverpool and Chelsea at least have English players and an English heart (the most important players at each club being English eg G. Neville, Giggs, Rooney; Gerrard, Carragher; Terry, Lampard) but otherwise these clubs links to English football is tenuous. An European Cup game against Benfica is more important to Man Utd than a game against Man City, and a similar story is true for Liverpool and Everton and Chelsea and Fulham/West Ham etc. Moreover these clubs see themselves as having outgrown the confines of English football. Only Liverpool (although its a matter of time) remain owned by English owners. Where is the soul of Man U? Personally I think its probably in a Man U megastore in South Korea. Liverpool's would be somewhere in Singapore and Chelsea's would probably be split between the emerging footballing markets of China and the US.

I understand that football, and life, moves on. Those clubs have outgrown their century old domestic rivalries, they've become world clubs. That's fine, just don't expect me to support them because "they are English", because they aren't. I've no emotional attachment to any of them.

Nice work.. When you get the likes of Arsenal and Chelsea wanting to play 'B' teams in the lower leagues you realise the sooner the top so called 'big clubs of the Prem' fk off into some 'Euro' dream league the better..

 

[Matt the Shrimp]

Quote[/b] (mattytheshrimper @ Dec. 15 2006,13:02)]my point is why does cs j have to start an argument over everything?

Why indeed.

 

[mattytheshrimper]

cs j?

??

care to answer?

 

[J]

Quote[/b] (Slipperduke @ Dec. 15 2006,12:30)]Actually, I've got to side with CSJ on this one.

I couldn't give a flying f%ck about any of those bloated bastards in the Premiership. If it was down to me, they'd all get knocked out in the groups.

All the CL does in give the same big clubs another extended period in the money trough. They get bigger, the gap gets bigger and football gets worse and worse.

Besides which, what's good about a team of surly multi-national millionaires going on a cup run?

spot on..

 

[J]

Quote[/b] (mattytheshrimper @ Dec. 15 2006,13:17)]cs j?

??

care to answer?

"Have you been bullied or something"

who the f%ck are you? who the f%cking mother of god are you?

if you want a real arguement, i will give you one..

this isn't an arguement pal, this is debate... opinionated debate!

 

[mattytheshrimper]

bit wound up are we.

remember its debate

 

[mattytheshrimper]

not trying to be out of order or anything its just the fact where ever there is an argument your there. and its always over something really pathetic like this.

am i not aloud to want an english club to win the champions league?

 

[J]

Quote[/b] (mattytheshrimper @ Dec. 15 2006,13:30)]not trying to be out of order or anything its just the fact where ever there is an argument your there. and its always over something really pathetic like this.

am i not aloud to want an english club to win the champions league?

no, your not allowed either..

oh and by the way, your boring me..

 

[J]

Quote[/b] (mattytheshrimper @ Dec. 15 2006,13:17)]cs j?

??

care to answer?

oh, some of us have jobs.. and lunch hours..

 

[Leeboy]

woah there chaps! CSJ, Matty - calm down..........

 

[Hong Kong Blue]

Quote[/b] (mattytheshrimper @ Dec. 15 2006,13:30)]not trying to be out of order or anything its just the fact where ever there is an argument your there. and its always over something really pathetic like this.

am i not aloud to want an english club to win the champions league?

You know what CS J is like, you commented on it yourself. Why rise to it?


You are allowed (not aloud) to support who you want. I think you are misinformed to consider those clubs are English for the reasons I stated. If you actually want to discuss the topic just ignore CS J and address the points I raised.