Breivik and the Death Penalty

[canveyshrimper]

Plus Ian Brady isn't in prison, he's in a high-security psychiatric hospital. Are we into killing mentally ill people now? Is it 1938 again?

Brady wasn't mentally ill when he stood trial along with Hindley and both may well have been lucky that the death penalty had been abolished a few months before they stood trial.

 

[OldBlueLady]

Brady wasn't mentally ill when he stood trial along with Hindley and both may well have been lucky that the death penalty had been abolished a few months before they stood trial.

Yes, agreed Harry, their crimes were committed when the death penalty was still in force, however, it was abolished just 6 months before their trial date.

 

[Pubey]

Brady wasn't mentally ill when he stood trial along with Hindley and both may well have been lucky that the death penalty had been abolished a few months before they stood trial.

He wasn't diagnosed as mentally ill when he stood trial.

 

[DTS]

Then you're cheapening one life. When do you start implementing the death penalty? 5 murders? 10?

Yes Brievek is human scum and the world would be a better place without him in it, but unfortunately it opens the door to the death penalty, which as I've said before, it too final when human beings are open to mistakes and corruption (and there's nothing "lefty" about it, it's just plain wrong).

I am only saying him as he is 100% no doubt guilty to keep you happy.

Personally I would issue a death sentence to anyone found guilty of pre-mediated murder be it one person or one hundred, any sort of sex crime, planning acts of terroism or major drugs offences.

 

[DTS]

Blimey, we've done this one to death ('scuse the pun). The cost per inmate is about £150,000 per year. That might sound like a lot of money, but when the GDP runs into the trillions you realise it is actually peanuts. £150,000 per year per taxpayer (of which in this country there are about 30,000,000) amounts to 50p. Can we now put this cost business to bed? It's a simplistic argument that holds no water.



I think actually Ian Brady disproves your belief that the death penalty is a worse punishment. He has been trying to kill himself for years. He would rather be dead than in prison, and keeping him alive is killing him. (Another pun, quite a good one might I add!)

I can think of 150,000 better things that a goverment can do with £150,000 than keep this vile sort of scum alive. And it you multiply this out how over all the people that would fit the criteria for the death penalty the saving would be much greater.

Also in the case of Andrea he is say 35 I dont know. Given poor diet etc if he only lives to 75 then he has cost £6,000,000. Not such a small amount now over the course of his lifetime.

If you want to talk figures what about the loss to the Norwegian goverments coffers losing so many of its brightest citizens and future tax payers. What about the damage to property, loss of income from tourism.

I assume some people still cant get the correct medical treatment they need for cancer due - I am sure you would agree they are a lot more worthy cause.

 

[MK Shrimper]

I am only saying him as he is 100% no doubt guilty to keep you happy.

Personally I would issue a death sentence to anyone found guilty of pre-mediated murder be it one person or one hundred, any sort of sex crime, planning acts of terroism or major drugs offences.

And as I said Dave, what then if the person executed was then found to be innocent due to a forensics balls-up, a copper wanting to make a name for themselves, a mentally ill patient confessing to something they didn't do....or any other number countless reasons.

And any sort of sex crime? A woman saying yes, then half way through changing her mind? Would Tes Bramble be facing the rope?

 

[applelover]

Classic rusty :) To be fair though they were social democrats and not communists.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Classic rusty :) To be fair though they were social democrats and not communists.

I doubt if he'd be able to appreciate the difference.:thumbdown:

 

[OldBlueLady]

Blimey, we've done this one to death ('scuse the pun). The cost per inmate is about £150,000 per year. That might sound like a lot of money, but when the GDP runs into the trillions you realise it is actually peanuts. £150,000 per year per taxpayer (of which in this country there are about 30,000,000) amounts to 50p. Can we now put this cost business to bed? It's a simplistic argument that holds no water.

Right, now I'm not sure where you got your figures, but a bog standard prisoner costs £27k per annum to the state. Ian Huntley is not only high risk, meaning that figure is multiplied several times, but also in a high security institution, which also adds figures on.

Anyone that thinks "prisoners" like these are suffering is sadly mistaken. Single cells, duvets, satellite television, electronic games etc. The ONLY thing they are deprived of is their freedom, other than that, they're living the life of Riley. What's more, the new prisons being built also have showers built into the single cells and computers to order their meals! I rather think that's costing more than 0.05 per person!

And as I said Dave, what then if the person executed was then found to be innocent due to a forensics balls-up, a copper wanting to make a name for themselves, a mentally ill patient confessing to something they didn't do....or any other number countless reasons.

And any sort of sex crime? A woman saying yes, then half way through changing her mind? Would Tes Bramble be facing the rope?

The people that most of us are advocating to face the death penalty are those who have indisputably carried out several killings. Ian Huntley is the only one to have committed a mere two murders. The world would be a better place if the likes of Hindley and Brady, the Wests, Peter Sutcliffe, Harold Shipman, Dennises Nilson and Neilsen, Robert Black etc - absolute scum of the earth - had been sent to the gallows. At least then the law abiding public has proof that the law takes a firm stand in such cases.

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

I doubt if he'd be able to appreciate the difference.:thumbdown:

There is no difference. You're either a capitalist or you're a pinko pantywaist.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

There is no difference. You're either a capitalist or you're a pinko pantywaist.

:nope:So very wrong.Does the whole history and tradition of Social-Democracy mean nothing to you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy

 

[OldBlueLady]

It's taken you over 8,000 posts to finally make one that made me smile and laugh. Well done, you're learning!

But not enough to pos rep him, no? Instead you prefer to patronise and continue with the neg, as that is obviously so much easier! :thumbdown:

 

[Pubey]

But not enough to pos rep him, no? Instead you prefer to patronise and continue with the neg, as that is obviously so much easier! :thumbdown:

Stop moaning about rep, especially other people's.

 

[canveyshrimper]

It would appear this has run its course.