Barnsley By-election

[GrumpyBlue]

Yes - you're perfectly entitled to your opinion about life in England despite living in 'Kernow.' :soapbox:

Quite right - I have to keep an eye on you English:winking:

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Barna, you really don't do yourself any favours. Do you not understand that people see it as hypocritical when you are off living in a different country and "celebrating" political success by Labour in this? Like Harry says, Barnsley was never going to return anything other than a convincing Labour majority. You could put a blind elephant in under the Labour name and it would still win.

OBL,
FWIW, I think you're quite a fair minded person.However, I don't think it "hypocritical" of me to have an opinion about British politics(as my mate RC says)at all.After all I was eligible to vote in the UK until 1997,hold a British passport and have the automatic right of abode in the UK, should I ever wish to return permanently.

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

You can expect to see some astonishing reverses for the Lib Dems in the Local Government elections later this year.:happy:
I would agree that Millibean's performance has been distinctly average so far but I'm more than ever convinced that this will be a one term Government.

I think you're right for a change, it will be a one term government. The next government will be Tory only with no need for coalition. I would hope that most right minded people would appreciate that Britain just can't afford another Labour government.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I think you're right for a change, it will be a one term government. The next government will be Tory only with no need for coalition. I would hope that most right minded people would appreciate that Britain just can't afford another Labour government.

Thatcher needed a war with Argentina over the Falklands to pull off a second term in office.Do you think Call- me- Dave is going to take on Gaddafi,then?

 

[canveyshrimper]

Thatcher needed a war with Argentina over the Falklands to pull off a second term in office.Do you think Call- me- Dave is going to take on Gaddafi,then?

Thatcher would have beaten Foot in 1983, wasn't their manifesto described as the longest suicide note in history?

Labour will have a civil war yet, Moribund minor and Balls hate each other, and I reckon there'll be another leadership contest before this Parliament is over. Moribund senior may yet get the job he craves if he stands by and lets them fight it out. Add Mrs Balls to the mix and sit back and watch the fun.

The Tories can win next time by default almost, just keep in the memory the destruction Brown wrought on our pensions and the trillions of debt the country has been left in largely through their incompetence.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Thatcher would have beaten Foot in 1983, wasn't their manifesto described as the longest suicide note in history?

Labour will have a civil war yet, Moribund minor and Balls hate each other, and I reckon there'll be another leadership contest before this Parliament is over. Moribund senior may yet get the job he craves if he stands by and lets them fight it out. Add Mrs Balls to the mix and sit back and watch the fun.

The Tories can win next time by default almost, just keep in the memory the destruction Brown wrought on our pensions and the trillions of debt the country has been left in largely through their incompetence.

I agree with you on your second point(though I think EB would be the more likely winner of any future Labour Leadership contest in the next few years).Not on your first or third points, however.

 

[OldBlueLady]

I agree with you on your second point(though I think EB would be the more likely winner of any future Labour Leadership contest in the next few years).Not on your first or third points, however.

Do you disagree that Brown is the figure mainly culpable for the pension debacle and the massive debt in this country? Or do you mean just the default thing? Gordon Brown, in my opinion, has single handedly destroyed the futures of many hard working souls with his actions and you can be sure the likes of him and his cronies won't be the ones suffering.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Do you disagree that Brown is the figure mainly culpable for the pension debacle and the massive debt in this country? Or do you mean just the default thing? Gordon Brown, in my opinion, has single handedly destroyed the futures of many hard working souls with his actions and you can be sure the likes of him and his cronies won't be the ones suffering.

I'm sure you're aware that there was a world wide global economic crisis.It would have affected whichever party had been in power in the UK.Remember Gordon Brown saved the world(in his own mind).:winking:

 

[canveyshrimper]

I agree with you on your second point(though I think EB would be the more likely winner of any future Labour Leadership contest in the next few years).Not on your first or third points, however.

Do you honestly believe Labour under Foot would have won in 1983? His own party described the manifesto as the longest suicide note in history, besides which Thatcher hadn't yet curbed the excessive power of the Unions by that time, and for many the events of 1978/79 were still fresh in the memory. Luckily for Thatcher Scargill saw that Labour wouldn't get elected in 1987 and Kinnock with his idiotic triumphalism saw to it in 1992.

I take your point about the global meltdown but Brown started his wholesale destruction of our pension industry immediately on taking office in 1997, year on year his raids have destroyed the pensions of many vulnerable people that Labour are sworn to protect. Added to which his flogging off of a huge chunk of our gold resrves shows his utter incompetence. Plus of course as you allude to in your later post his belief that he alone saved the world.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Do you honestly believe Labour under Foot would have won in 1983? His own party described the manifesto as the longest suicide note in history, besides which Thatcher hadn't yet curbed the excessive power of the Unions by that time, and for many the events of 1978/79 were still fresh in the memory. Luckily for Thatcher Scargill saw that Labour wouldn't get elected in 1987 and Kinnock with his idiotic triumphalism saw to it in 1992.

I take your point about the global meltdown but Brown started his wholesale destruction of our pension industry immediately on taking office in 1997, year on year his raids have destroyed the pensions of many vulnerable people that Labour are sworn to protect. Added to which his flogging off of a huge chunk of our gold resrves shows his utter incompetence. Plus of course as you allude to in your later post his belief that he alone saved the world.

The honest answer is we'll never know.It's a hypothetical question.FWIW this is what WIKI thinks:-

"The political effects of the war were strong in both countries. A wave of patriotic sentiment swept through both: the Argentine loss prompted even larger protests against the ruling military government, which hastened its downfall; in the United Kingdom, the government of Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher was bolstered. It helped Thatcher's government to victory in the 1983 general election, which prior to the war was seen as by no means certain"

I think in the fullness of time Brown will get a great deal of belated credit for trying to get the Worlds leaders to act globally to deal with the economic crisis.I also think we can take the "I saved the world" remark as a genuine slip of the tongue rather than meglomania on Brown's part.

 

[canveyshrimper]

The honest answer is we'll never know.It's a hypothetical question.FWIW this is what WIKI thinks:-

"The political effects of the war were strong in both countries. A wave of patriotic sentiment swept through both: the Argentine loss prompted even larger protests against the ruling military government, which hastened its downfall; in the United Kingdom, the government of Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher was bolstered. It helped Thatcher's government to victory in the 1983 general election, which prior to the war was seen as by no means certain"

I think in the fullness of time Brown will get a great deal of belated credit for trying to get the Worlds leaders to act globally to deal with the economic crisis.I also think we can take the "I saved the world" remark as a genuine slip of the tongue rather than meglomania on Brown's part.

Indeed that is true enough, however Thatcher could quite easily had gone to the country in the wake of the Falklands victory in the summer of 1982, but waited until late Spring 1983. Looking back and IMO there was no way that Labour under Foot was electable, equally as it was under the buffoon Kinnock.

Brown may get some credit for his role in at least attempting to get the world's leaders to act in accord, however and as I've said on many occasions@ll not forget nor forgive his destruction of many hard working people's prnsions. Ultimately most PM's go mad, Thatcher did, Blair did, and I think Brown was mad before he took office with all his years of bitterness and plotting the demise of Blair.