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Bad Strikers or Bad tactics?

We don't create enough good chances for any strikers to create any momentum and get any sort of scoring run going. Since pepple who could actually play with his back to goal we cannot score. Our corner taking is embarrassing. Professional footballers who more often than not cannot clear the front post. Non existent service for strikers to run on to. Our slow ice age build up means everyone is at the end of their runs if the ball is even delivered, meaning they cannot attack a delivered ball with any momentum. Also by the time we pass the ball around pointlessly for 10:extra passes the opposition have 9 men behind the ball and we inevitably recycle or lose possession. Every week my dad and I see a ball carrying player in every team we play and say that he's going to be a problem. Why do we never carry the ball forward and put defenders under pressure?

We never drop crosses in for strikers to attack, never fizz low fast balls into the box for them to attack while moving. Our free kicks are taken too quickly and end up going backwards and sideways. The negativity of our play is taking its toll and the goals aren't coming as a result. Possession for possession sake is pointless and means nothing. I'd rather have a go and lose than carry on like this. It's a hard watch and getting harder.
 
2024/25:

Hopper 0 in 2
Bonne 1 in 24
Pepple 7 in 19
Walker 3 in 21
Kendall 0 in 8
Cardwell 1 in 5
Waldron 0 in 8

12 in 87

2023/24:

Kanu 4 in 6
Dackers 1 in 17
Sandat 2 in 15
Cardwell 18 in 39
Waldron 3 in 15

28 in 92

2022/23:

Dackers 3 in 6
Hyde 4 in 18
Cosgrave 0 in 10
Murphy 2 in 11
Wreh 4 in 27
Cardwell 5 in 23
Sandat 1 in 12

19 in 107

2021/22:

Kimpioka 0 in 1
Dalby 7 in 33
Dennis 7 in 22
Murphy 4 in 11

Cardwell 3 in 14
Rush 0 in 7

21 in 88

In the league only since Maher joined.

This is even more damning for Maher when you consider he did not sign Dalby, Murphy or Dennis. They were Phil Brown signings.

It means that it is even worse and shows a real lack in identifying attacking talent

24/25: 12 in 87
23/24: 28 in 92
22/23: 17 in 96
21/22: 3 in 22

60 in 297. 1 in 4.95 games
 
No wonder, we werent ever enticing the best strikers to Roots Hall whilst being a basket case of a club.
A long list of bad strikers.
But we had a great defence to compensate.
Now Maher has the defence in place, the rest of the team needs to stand up and be counted and show some quality to say to me theyre good enough for this club.
 
This also highlights how coveted are strikers: anywhere!
Luton couldn't wait to move Pepple on to League Two; FGR were willing to pay for Cardwell, and when you can earn a 10-year contract like Haaland, they are clearly a prized commodity.
I'd be interested in hearing from Dalby why he's now the big it in the SPL.
Those around him? A learning curve from us and Wrexham? Luck?
Apart from talent, what makes a striker click?
 
Tactics

No striker other than a big target man will ever thrive here under Maher with the style we play and with the lack of creativity in the midfield. We can bemoan the embargo and missing out on the likes of Pearce but if he was here he’d have no more than 6-8 goals because we don’t create clear cut chances for our strikers. That mostly comes from playing a 532 and setting up to not concede.

On the flip side I reckon if Walker, Whaldron, Kendall and Bonne had signed for Barnet/FGR/York they’d have scored a lot more than they have here because their style of play creates chances for forwards.

I wouldn’t be surprised if key forward targets in the summer reject us because of the style of football we play and the lack of creativity through the middle.
 
Tactics


On the flip side I reckon if Walker, Whaldron, Kendall and Bonne had signed for Barnet/FGR/York they’d have scored a lot more than they have here because their style of play creates chances for forwards.

What makes you say that? - the only solid example of that is Cardwell - how many has he got for FGR?
 
This is even more damning for Maher when you consider he did not sign Dalby, Murphy or Dennis. They were Phil Brown signings.

It means that it is even worse and shows a real lack in identifying attacking talent

24/25: 12 in 87
23/24: 28 in 92
22/23: 17 in 96
21/22: 3 in 22

60 in 297. 1 in 4.95 games
Bloody hell, it's getting even worse. In a way it shows stats can tell you more you think
 
What makes you say that? - the only solid example of that is Cardwell - how many has he got for FGR?
I think they’re players that would benefit from a better footballing side vs playing in our system.

Cardwell doesn’t suit the system FGR play as he’s more of a target man but suited our style of play because of that. Pretty sure a FGR fan said on here that it proves their owner doesn’t watch football because Harry just doesn’t suit them at all.
 
Bad strikers!!
Bonne couldn't hit a barn door
What is it Hopper does? The subs on the bench do more then him! Come for his retirement.
Danny waldron,doesn't play! but out of his depth from what I have seen.
Charley kendal not good enough!! can't finish a lunch and not good enough for this league!
Josh walker shows glimpses of quality at times but very inconsistent and like the others not good enough!
Gus Scott morris not a striker but better then this lot and has proven that with his tally.
 
I think they’re players that would benefit from a better footballing side vs playing in our system.

Cardwell doesn’t suit the system FGR play as he’s more of a target man but suited our style of play because of that. Pretty sure a FGR fan said on here that it proves their owner doesn’t watch football because Harry just doesn’t suit them at all.
The other examples we have are their previous clubs - where most have never been prolific.
 
Obviously every team needs a good strike force but usually 30 to 40 per cent of goals scored are by midfielders or defenders.
 
Obviously every team needs a good strike force but usually 30 to 40 per cent of goals scored are by midfielders or defenders.
Of course everyone needs to chip in, but according to the numbers, our own strikers have only scored 1 in every 5 game during Kevs reign, a statistic that isn't good in anyone's eyes. Something needs to give.
 
Both for me. We've had to tweak our initial buildup this season with the losses of Cardwell, Kensdale and even Fonguck (all inadequately replaced). No ball carrier in Kensdale, no exploiter in Fonguck and no all rounder in Cardwell, the biggest loss of the lot for me. Our buildup as a result is slower, we have no outlet to make the ball stick or even maintain a good pressure on the opposition backline and we have no one making penetrative runs in-between lines.

Our whole style is built around 3 at the back. A lot of teams do it. We want to control as much possession as we can, dictate as much as we can, exploit wide areas and, believe it or not, put the opposition under pressure as often as we can. A mixture of players not being good enough, the balance being way off, players form being in the mud and an inability to be proactive rather than reactive have led us down to being an inconsistent mid table side. I actually think there's a problem with players not being able to handle the pressure as well but that's another discussion.

The ball not really sticking up top is huge for any side. Bonne and Hopper are probably the only ones who can occupy defenders but don't offer the same physicality, athleticism and goal threat as Cardwell. When under pressure as a team, if you don't have a striker that can make it stick or at least put a huge amount of pressure on a defense then you've got no chance really. Attack vs defense at that stage. Dreadful recruitment on that part. We could have signed a striker at step 3 that would offer more up top than what we currently have, I have zero doubt about that.

The better sides in this league, and even some average ones, have really outplayed us this season in my opinion. Various styles and reasons, and it's not as simple as this, but a huge thing lacking for me has been desire. Not wanting that second ball, not giving up on a loose pass, not giving up on a channel ball, not believing in themselves enough. The Sittingbourne goal came from a wide player not giving up on an absolutely nothing ball. Looked to be going out for a throw in and he didn't give up. Desire. Our initial contact rate must be shocking. Just look at pretty much any goal we've conceded from a set piece. The 3 at York and 2 against Barnet immediately spring to mind. Zero desire to make that initial contact. Inexcusable that.

For me this shape is dying under us. I actually believe a lot of these players suit the shape, but we're missing any spark whatsoever. They look a bit lost now and don't have an answer against any side with either quality or a well structured game plan. We have no standout players who excel in their positions. That's not me saying I think they're bad and maybe harsh on a few, but as a collective we're an extremely average, predictable, pedestrian side. I struggle to name many players who I think would have played week in week out for any of the recently promoted sides. We've seen some excellent individual performances when on form. Currently though, we're seeing why these players have never really taken the step up before.

I'd like to see us try to adapt to a 433 / 4231 moving forward. Probably only missing a natural wide right player in that but Walker could probably fill that void for a bit. We can still have the exact same principles Kev wants but in a slightly different shape. Not that I want this but you can even adapt to a back 5 in a 433 if we're that adamant.

I don't really know how to end this as I could go on all day, I've missed out loads. There's shared responsibility throughout this rant from top to bottom. I don't know what the answer is, but we need to address what appears to be a very disjointed club at present
 
The squad as a whole are absolutely shot of any confidence. No one really wants the ball, no one wants to do anything with it for fear of “messing up” and being the next scape goat. Add to that, we have signed strikers with poor records before they arrived at Roots Hall, strangely hoping they’d solve our problems when they haven’t done it elsewhere. Anyone who watched the first half at home against Fylde could see we created chance after chance only for the strikers to fluff all but one of them. That just kills confidence both in the strikers themselves and those around them. No one can execute the plan at the moment. I just can’t see this being fixed during the season. I feel they need to go away for the summer, reset and come back mentally ready for next season. Some of the under performers will depart and they need to be replaced with in form, battle ready, confident players whose attributes can rub off on those around them. It’s gonna be a tough watch the next few months as we limp over the finish line.
 
Its because the players we have are not good enough! We need to buy better quality players instead of trying to find ruffcut gems from lower leagues! Freddy Eastwood was a one off!
We don't create enough good chances for any strikers to create any momentum and get any sort of scoring run going. Since pepple who could actually play with his back to goal we cannot score. Our corner taking is embarrassing. Professional footballers who more often than not cannot clear the front post. Non existent service for strikers to run on to. Our slow ice age build up means everyone is at the end of their runs if the ball is even delivered, meaning they cannot attack a delivered ball with any momentum. Also by the time we pass the ball around pointlessly for 10:extra passes the opposition have 9 men behind the ball and we inevitably recycle or lose possession. Every week my dad and I see a ball carrying player in every team we play and say that he's going to be a problem. Why do we never carry the ball forward and put defenders under pressure?

We never drop crosses in for strikers to attack, never fizz low fast balls into the box for them to attack while moving. Our free kicks are taken too quickly and end up going backwards and sideways. The negativity of our play is taking its toll and the goals aren't coming as a result. Possession for possession sake is pointless and means nothing. I'd rather have a go and lose than carry on like this. It's a hard watch and getting harder.
Re
 
There is one simpl
Both for me. We've had to tweak our initial buildup this season with the losses of Cardwell, Kensdale and even Fonguck (all inadequately replaced). No ball carrier in Kensdale, no exploiter in Fonguck and no all rounder in Cardwell, the biggest loss of the lot for me. Our buildup as a result is slower, we have no outlet to make the ball stick or even maintain a good pressure on the opposition backline and we have no one making penetrative runs in-between lines.

Our whole style is built around 3 at the back. A lot of teams do it. We want to control as much possession as we can, dictate as much as we can, exploit wide areas and, believe it or not, put the opposition under pressure as often as we can. A mixture of players not being good enough, the balance being way off, players form being in the mud and an inability to be proactive rather than reactive have led us down to being an inconsistent mid table side. I actually think there's a problem with players not being able to handle the pressure as well but that's another discussion.

The ball not really sticking up top is huge for any side. Bonne and Hopper are probably the only ones who can occupy defenders but don't offer the same physicality, athleticism and goal threat as Cardwell. When under pressure as a team, if you don't have a striker that can make it stick or at least put a huge amount of pressure on a defense then you've got no chance really. Attack vs defense at that stage. Dreadful recruitment on that part. We could have signed a striker at step 3 that would offer more up top than what we currently have, I have zero doubt about that.

The better sides in this league, and even some average ones, have really outplayed us this season in my opinion. Various styles and reasons, and it's not as simple as this, but a huge thing lacking for me has been desire. Not wanting that second ball, not giving up on a loose pass, not giving up on a channel ball, not believing in themselves enough. The Sittingbourne goal came from a wide player not giving up on an absolutely nothing ball. Looked to be going out for a throw in and he didn't give up. Desire. Our initial contact rate must be shocking. Just look at pretty much any goal we've conceded from a set piece. The 3 at York and 2 against Barnet immediately spring to mind. Zero desire to make that initial contact. Inexcusable that.

For me this shape is dying under us. I actually believe a lot of these players suit the shape, but we're missing any spark whatsoever. They look a bit lost now and don't have an answer against any side with either quality or a well structured game plan. We have no standout players who excel in their positions. That's not me saying I think they're bad and maybe harsh on a few, but as a collective we're an extremely average, predictable, pedestrian side. I struggle to name many players who I think would have played week in week out for any of the recently promoted sides. We've seen some excellent individual performances when on form. Currently though, we're seeing why these players have never really taken the step up before.

I'd like to see us try to adapt to a 433 / 4231 moving forward. Probably only missing a natural wide right player in that but Walker could probably fill that void for a bit. We can still have the exact same principles Kev wants but in a slightly different shape. Not that I want this but you can even adapt to a back 5 in a 433 if we're that adamant.

I don't really know how to end this as I could go on all day, I've missed out loads. There's shared responsibility throughout this rant from top to bottom. I don't know what the answer is, but we need to address what appears to be a very disjointed club at present
Their is only one simple answer COSU need to spend the money to attract better quality players to the club! Money solves all the problems.
 

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