Another new Shirt?

[Javea Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ June 11 2004,00:56)]I have no personal issues with you other than i wish you would 1) lay off 2) get some of your own facts correct 3) Don't threaten or use hostile language it does no body any good does it.

1) I can't stop laughing ...

2) FM, maybe you should listen to your own advice, mate. This past week you have spouted off incorrect facts about season tickets, shirt sales, etc. for which you clearly had no basis of research and then, when corrected, you went off in a sulk complaining about "never winning". When you finally emerge into the real world outside of school / college, you'll realise that if you had the same sort of attitude to life, you'd be in a big old mess very quickly. So, heed your own advice.

3) I didn't notice anyone threatening anyone else and the only "hostile language" that was being used was by yourself, FM.

WS

 

[Javea Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ June 10 2004,18:14)]If you want ill get some minutes from other clubs laisons.

Surely its common sense to ask about the two big up coming things. Season Ticket prices/match day prices which the trust spoke about and information regarding the club shirt.

It just makes more sense than not to mention it.

1) So could I. Most of them are readily available on the web. But, by offering to compare with others, you appear to be implying that the Shrimpers Trust Liaison Committee does a poor job. That's a very arrogant attitude to take for someone who clearly has no idea how the whole liaison issue works.

2) Yes it is and season ticket price rises were indeed discussed at the last liaison committee, which opened the whole can of worms about Trust approval for 50p per ticket to be farmed into the COE. As for the shirts, I think the Trust is working a lot quicker than you take credit for. Already members of the committee have asked for fan comments and started a poll on the rumour of playing in stripes, albeit only on these means for the moment.

Like your misguided tirade about the season ticket prices, I can't see why you should get so upset about another kit issue, FM. One simply doesn't have to buy the damn thing. And if kids really get so emotionally damaged because they are not bought the latest kit then the parents really ought to take a look at themselves.

WS

 

[Javea Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ June 10 2004,20:45)]What so f**king high, that the sponsors logo doesn't peel off a month after buying it yep sorry but when i spend 40 quid on a shirt i do expect it to at least keep in one piece. But hey obviously i should shut up and expect it to fall to bits.

And most fans can't afford 80 quid a time on football shirts and if you bring your family along thats 240 quid just to keep up to date.

Increase revenue but dont rip the fans off.

Alot of people spend the 300 odd quid plus another 80 quid plus food,drink,travel then any away games.

1) You exaggerate somewhat here, FM. The problem with the sponsors logo was identified by the Club very early into last season as a manufacturing error (some lazy bugger at the source factory didn't allow enough time for the adhesive to react) which they then offered to correct without argument. My shirt - and others - have yet to dramatically fall to bits as you seem to imply. I think you may be getting a tad too excited about this.

2) Indeed. Which is why they choose not to spend £80 on football shirts "just to keep up to date". We're Southend United, not Manchester United. I don't know anyone (apart from FM) who has moaned about not being able to keep up with the bloke in row G118.

3) So how will the Club embark on your splendidly suicidal "speculate to accumulate" policy?!

4) So? It's a hobby, not a religious requirement. If you can't afford, you don't go. Believe me, when I left school and money was tight, I made plenty of decisions, the first of which was "ditch the merchandise, spend the money of SUPPORTING THE TEAM". It sounds like your Premiersh*te corporate brain is taking over and missing the entire point of supporting a football team ...

WS

 

[Javea Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ June 10 2004,21:41)]

Quote[/b] (Banned @ June 10 2004,21:18)]Don't buy the shirt then.  Simple.

Ignorance, try telling that to the parents of kids who want the latest gear mate.

I can't see how that can be ignorance, FM. "Banned" is a father; he certainly knows a lot better than you do!! You seem to imply that kids get what they want all the time; is that true for kids these days? If so, what a bunch of spoilt brats they must be ...

WS

 

[Javea Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ June 10 2004,23:43)]I suggest you get off your high horse cause quite frankly its ****ing me off with the high and mighty im bigger than you talk. I believe what you said is ignorant my opinion. Its a message board, if you can't hack other peoples opinions then dont come on here.

... quite frankly im amazed that  someone can take stuff so seriously off a internet message board.

1) Once again, you contradict yourself, FM. Instead of telling others that they "can't hack other opinions", perhaps you want to sit back and take a look at some of the threads of the last few weeks. You might see a young lad getting all stroppy because others have suggested and expressed other opinions (often correct ones) in contast to his own : "I'm fed up with this conversation because I'm never going to win" ...

2) Indeed ... so why do you, FM?

WS

 

[overseas shrimper]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ June 10 2004,22:41)]

Quote[/b] (Banned @ June 10 2004,21:18)]Don't buy the shirt then. Simple.

Ignorance, try telling that to the parents of kids who want the latest gear mate.

Hate to say this, but while I think FM made yet another sweeping statement comparing the quality of our shirts to others (I doubt his ability to carry out stringent quality control tests across the board), the attitude of 'don't buy the shirt if it's not good quality' just doesn't wash.

The shirt's quality, judged by its own standards was agreed to be poor by many last year. I have to agree with FM on this point... that when you pay 40 quid on a shirt, you are entitled to expect the sponsor's logo to stay on it.

I remember many posts complaining about this, but because FM says it... the comment is no longer valid.

That's not right.

 

[Javea Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ June 11 2004,00:43)].. im a little sh*t who runs away whenever someone asks to speak to me.

But you are. Think back to the SZ under 15s v over 15s match last year; everyone mixed and socialised; you ran off and soon as the game ended ...

WS

 

[Javea Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (overseas shrimper @ June 11 2004,07:30)]The shirt's quality, judged by its own standards was agreed to be poor by many last year. I have to agree with FM on this point... that when you pay 40 quid on a shirt, you are entitled to expect the sponsor's logo to stay on it.
.

Yes, and the Club immediately acknowledged the problem with the logo (which, to be honest, does not form part of the actual shirt quality) and rectified it.

WS

 

[overseas shrimper]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ June 11 2004,01:12)]Indeed i inspected it and it looked fine and ok as im sure many others will say as i know others had this same problem.

Thanks FM, you've confirmed the doubts I had in your ability to gauge the quality of ALL those shirts you inspected on your travels.

 

[Javea Shrimper]

WAH!!! Seasun tikets!!! (Season tickets)

WAH!!! Replika shorts!!! (Replica shirts!)

WAH!!! IT'S JUST NOT FAIR!!!

WS

 

[overseas shrimper]

On issues regarding the trust v's supporters contacting the club and offering feedback.

It has been said that the trust is there, in part, to tell the club what the fans think. What the fan's opinions are on certain issues.

We're all agreed on that.

It has also been suggested that fans also voice their opinions directly to the club AND th trust.

There's some debate here, because, in some quarters, there's the feeling that this is the trust's responsability.

Well, if fans DID voice their opinions on certain matters... AND the club is getting the same feedback from the trust, would this not ENHANCE THE POINT that the trust is making.

Basically, this would mean that supporters are HELPING the turst help them! The points the trust and fans are making would be corroborative and more effective.

Oh, and the trust want representation on the board, right? Well, until that happens, they will never be in on decisions (like new kits) early enough to have any say... so maybe that's one thing we fans can help try and push.

 

[Javea Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (overseas shrimper @ June 11 2004,07:48)]... the trust want representation on the board, right? Well, until that happens, they will never be in on decisions (like new kits) early enough to have any say... so maybe that's one thing we fans can help try and push.

Exactly ...

WS

 

[Shagster69]

FM - I dare you to breathe on this site without receiving a beating!

 

[Napster]

Quote[/b] (overseas shrimper @ June 11 2004,07:48)]On issues regarding the trust v's supporters contacting the club and offering feedback.

It has been said that the trust is there, in part, to tell the club what the fans think. What the fan's opinions are on certain issues.

We're all agreed on that.

It has also been suggested that fans also voice their opinions directly to the club AND th trust.

There's some debate here, because, in some quarters, there's the feeling that this is the trust's responsability.

Well, if fans DID voice their opinions on certain matters... AND the club is getting the same feedback from the trust, would this not ENHANCE THE POINT that the trust is making.

Basically, this would mean that supporters are HELPING the turst help them! The points the trust and fans are making would be corroborative and more effective.

Thank you.

 

[steveh1510]

If anyone needs to know why I rarely post seriously on this board anymore, read this thread and any of the others like it recently. It seems that opinions and rationalised arguments are giving way to petty fighting borne of seemingly little more than personal vendettas.

I thought this board was about people being entitled to opinions and voicing those opinions, thus throwing them open to debate?

 

[Shagster69]

Quote[/b] (steveh1510 @ June 11 2004,09:27)]If anyone needs to know why I rarely post seriously on this board anymore, read this thread and any of the others like it recently. It seems that opinions and rationalised arguments are giving way to petty fighting borne of seemingly little more than personal vendettas.

I thought this board was about people being entitled to opinions and voicing those opinions, thus throwing them open to debate?

Exactly why my posts are generally restricted to the SZFC forum.

 

[Barmy Army]

What's with the continual ganging-up on FM all the time?

It's getting to the point where he posts a comment which is valid, but people take more notice of who it is written by rather than the content of the post itself. I dare say if half of the comments made in this thread by FM were made by a 'more senior member' then people wouldn't be so ready to rip into him in as quickly as the vultures have.

It's clear that FM has strong opinions about season ticket prices and shirt changes (as I'm sure most of us do), but people are more worried about increasing their popularity and making sure that they assert their feeling of 'I'm better than you are', by turning a discussion into an argument.

 

[Kent Shrimper]

Day 49 in the Shrimperzone House........

Bullying has broken out in the Shrimperzone House, Some of the Housemates have taken to beating MF whenever he opens his mouth, Some would say that its justified, others dont like it especially Shagster.

Shagsters locked himself in SZFC room in protest and wont come out.

On the otherside of the House Seb Weetabix last night shocked House mates by playing a request for the bruised and battered FM, Alice Cooper was his choice and Seb obliged.

A clique  seems to have broken out amongst a few Housemates calling themselves cheWAS, this has alienated other housemates and could see the cheWAS gang evicted. Apparently its a club to appreciate Donkeys, very noble.

Well Anarchy is Raining down on the SZ House and could all this spell the end for the most successeful SUFC message board or is it just a load of old Soup?

 

[Guest]

I genuinely find this amusing.

My landlord used to be a regular on here - it was the fact I was a Southend fan that I got the place! He recommended this site to me. His words were along the lines of 'The message board is great - as long as you don't say anything too interesting or provocative, or else you get a lot of crying and accusations.'

I laughed, thinking he was just the victim of an online argument which he took the wrong way. But hey, it looks like he was right!

I believe this thread proves that democracy doesn't work. I will be running a campaign in the coming year seeking an overthrow of Tony Blair on the following conditions:

(i) All Southend shirts to be retailed for 2p each.
(ii) The trust to have sole control of the proletariat of Colchester and Canvey.
(iii) Away travel entertainment not to be chosen by beavers.
(iv) Message boards to be made illegal.
(v) Roots Hall bar staff to no longer be miserable or old dogs.
(vi) Death to all pikies.

You know it makes sense.

 

[Beaver]

Quote[/b] (Banned @ June 11 2004,09:58)](iii)  Away travel entertainment not to be chosen by beavers.

There was nothing wrong with my choice of visual entertainment for the last away game. I thought 'Holes' was a fascinating insight in to the youth penal system of the USA, and how it develops team work amongst inmates & warders alike.




I think I may of lost the plot. I'll go !!!!!