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A possible twist on the fantasy league idea

Cheers. Yeah, that's pretty much how I was planning on doing it. Having done the fantasy prem one for a couple of years and had a good old look round their system, I think I've come up with a slightly rough and ready way of doing it. Just having a look at the practicalities of managing it now.

I actually think that valuing should be reasonably easy. Although it won't be terribly accurate between players of the same club, it should have the Birmingham defence worth considerably more than the Barnsley one, for example. I'm also going to get last seasons top scorers, top assisters and meanest defence charts if I can to try and get a better picture. It'll take a while but a while is something I have right now!!

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Quote[/b] (BoyWonder2 @ July 17 2006,22:01)]Don't mean to be harsh Fred but some of them prices are shocking. For example, £7million for DJ Campbell, £6million for Lawson, Jay Smith (Who, in theory, would be on the bench for most of the season, at £5.5million.

Just a hint fellas, how it usually works is that the best teams, your Leeds, Birminghams, West Broms, Cardiffs, Sunderlands have the more expensive players because in theory they will win more than they lose therefore getting more points as there will be more opportunities to score, assist, keep clean sheets etc. Whereas, you Col Ewes, Barnsleys, Southends, Burnleys etc would have the cheaper players as more likely to concede, lose more games, not score etc..

So, like the World Cup one with the Sun, they pick the best in order of the best in their opion to the worst, like this for example:

1 Southend United
2 Birmingham City
3 Burnley
4 Cardiff City
5 Col******r United
6 Coventry City
7 Crystal Palace
8 Derby County
9 Hull City
10 Ipswich Town
11 Leeds United
12 Leicester City
13 Luton Town
14 Norwich City
15 Plymouth Argyle
16 Preston North End
17 Queens Park Rangers
18 Sheffield Wednesday
19 Southampton
20 Barnsley
21 Stoke City
22 Sunderland
23 West Bromwich Albion
24 Wolverhampton Wanderers

Then you work out their likely starting line up, and main threats. If we take Southend for example and the starting line up would be

Flavs

Hammel Barrett Sodje Francis

Gower Maher Gutts JCR

Eastwood Ricketts

Flavs would be worth £6 million as is first choice and will play more games and Collis is worth £3 million. In defence they will see Barrett has scored goals and rate him around the £5 - 6 million mark, whereas Spinner who wont play as much £3-4 million. In midfield, JCR and Gower are more likely to get points for assists and goals so they would be worth £6-7 million whereas Cole, Smith, Bradbury worth £4-5 million. Up front Eastwood and Ricketts will be the goal threat so they'd be worth £8-10 million depending on where you set your range. Lawson on the other hand would still be worth a few quid as he could come on and get goals so would be placed at around £6 million.

This would work down to Wolves:
1st Choice Goalkeeper - £4 million
2nd Choice Goalkeeper - £2.5million - £3million.
Back four - £3-4.5 million
Back up back four - £1.5-3 million
Midfield four - £4 - 5 million
Back up midfield - £3 - 4 million
Front two - £4 - 5.5 million
Sub Strikers - £3-4 million.

Hope that helps.
Get your point, but you cannot vary prices or keepers from 1.5million to 6million, thats not the way its usually done.

As for the basic outline, i thought id make it around this, and then sufcintheprem could say yes or no or change them.

"11 players.
65million
rating between
3-6million on a keeper.
3-6million on defenders.
5-9million on midfielders.
6-10million on forwards.

This might need a bit of tweaking."

And that was why Barrett was 4.5M as he is not playing at the top club in the league, we are fav's to come bottom 3 so therefore this should reflect that.

If you notice fantasy premierleague, they have goalscoring defenders like john terry at a price of 8million and then the rest who will play .5M cheaper and then the ones doubtful a little lower than that.

As for the strikers, eastwood at this level is unproven, but is higher up the ranking list for top goalscorer odds than Ricketts, so deserves a higher price.

As i stated earlier i though 6-10M would be ok for starters, so i put eastwood down at 7.5 and Ricketts at 7. This gives leeway(or whatever the spelling is) for people to get eastwood without putting the rest of there team in danger, as everyone loves eastwood.

And for your best to worst it is in alphabetical order with the exception of southend and barnsley.
 
[b said:
Quote[/b] (fredheim_holm @ July 18 2006,09:33)]
[b said:
Quote[/b] (BoyWonder2 @ July 17 2006,22:01)]Don't mean to be harsh Fred but some of them prices are shocking. For example, £7million for DJ Campbell, £6million for Lawson, Jay Smith (Who, in theory, would be on the bench for most of the season, at £5.5million.

Just a hint fellas, how it usually works is that the best teams, your Leeds, Birminghams, West Broms, Cardiffs, Sunderlands have the more expensive players because in theory they will win more than they lose therefore getting more points as there will be more opportunities to score, assist, keep clean sheets etc. Whereas, you Col Ewes, Barnsleys, Southends, Burnleys etc would have the cheaper players as more likely to concede, lose more games, not score etc..

So, like the World Cup one with the Sun, they pick the best in order of the best in their opion to the worst, like this for example:

1   Southend United
2   Birmingham City
3   Burnley
4   Cardiff City
5   Col******r United
6   Coventry City
7   Crystal Palace
8   Derby County
9   Hull City
10   Ipswich Town
11   Leeds United
12   Leicester City
13   Luton Town  
14   Norwich City
15   Plymouth Argyle
16   Preston North End  
17   Queens Park Rangers
18   Sheffield Wednesday
19   Southampton
20   Barnsley
21   Stoke City  
22   Sunderland
23   West Bromwich Albion
24   Wolverhampton Wanderers

Then you work out their likely starting line up, and main threats. If we take Southend for example and the starting line up would be

Flavs

Hammel Barrett Sodje Francis

Gower Maher Gutts JCR

Eastwood Ricketts

Flavs would be worth £6 million as is first choice and will play more games and Collis is worth £3 million. In defence they will see Barrett has scored goals and rate him around the £5 - 6 million mark, whereas Spinner who wont play as much £3-4 million. In midfield, JCR and Gower are more likely to get points for assists and goals so they would be worth £6-7 million whereas Cole, Smith, Bradbury worth £4-5 million. Up front Eastwood and Ricketts will be the goal threat so they'd be worth £8-10 million depending on where you set your range. Lawson on the other hand would still be worth a few quid as he could come on and get goals so would be placed at around £6 million.

This would work down to Wolves:
1st Choice Goalkeeper - £4 million
2nd Choice Goalkeeper - £2.5million - £3million.
Back four - £3-4.5 million
Back up back four - £1.5-3 million
Midfield four - £4 - 5 million
Back up midfield - £3 - 4 million
Front two - £4 - 5.5 million
Sub Strikers - £3-4 million.

Hope that helps.
Get your point, but you cannot vary prices or keepers from 1.5million to 6million, thats not the way its usually done.

As for the basic outline, i thought id make it around this, and then sufcintheprem could say yes or no or change them.

"11 players.
65million
rating between
3-6million on a keeper.
3-6million on defenders.
5-9million on midfielders.
6-10million on forwards.

This might need a bit of tweaking."

And that was why Barrett was 4.5M as he is not playing at the top club in the league, we are fav's to come bottom 3 so therefore this should reflect that.

If you notice fantasy premierleague, they have goalscoring defenders like john terry at a price of 8million and then the rest who will play .5M cheaper and then the ones doubtful a little lower than that.

As for the strikers, eastwood at this level is unproven, but is higher up the ranking list for top goalscorer odds than Ricketts, so deserves a higher price.

As i stated earlier i though 6-10M would be ok for starters, so i put eastwood down at 7.5 and Ricketts at 7. This gives leeway(or whatever the spelling is) for people to get eastwood without putting the rest of there team in danger, as everyone loves eastwood.

And for your best to worst it is in alphabetical order with the exception of southend and barnsley.
First of all I never said goalkeepers would range from £1.5 - £6 million, I said £2.5 to £6 million which was going by the Sun's World Cup Dream Team where the Angolan keeper was worth £2.5 whereas Buffon was worth £6 million.

Eastwood is unproven at this level, I'll give you that but Ricketts should be worth just the same, if not more as he is proven at this level, has experience at International and Premiership level.

I know the list of best to worst was in alphabetical order, I did it like that as it was the easiest way to show you an example! I obviously put Southend at the top as I know far more about the players than at Barnsley who would have been top in the alphabetical way. To work out the best teams through to the worst, the relegated 3 tend to be towards the top and the promoted 3 down at the bottom, or you could go by bookies pricing, obviously your preference.
 
I think the Sun and FPL use different scoring systems and different valuations so that would explain some of the differences in opinion. FPL gives you two points for just playing and isn't so harsh for goals conceded so the difference in values is much closer.

Appreciate all the feedback so far though. If there are any more suggestions, keep them coming!

In another forward step, a mate who's familiar with FPL and, having supported Leicester has seen most teams and most players in this division, has offered to help out with valuations.

Optimism of this happening slightly higher than yesterday ~ very high.

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