A handy guide if your unsure about Global warming :D

[osymandus]

At last a nice round up for people to get some properly researched information (unlike say the Channel 4 programe a month back (ooh you rascal's !!)) on Global warming and its possibel affects .

http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/climate-change/dn11638

Basiclly , we are causing it . But we can fix it :)

 

[Cheltenham Shrimper]

On the topic of global warming, i've got a question for you:

If it wasn't for humans, the Spanish Armada wouldn't have nearly reached our coastline many hundreds of years ago. What do you guys reckon?

 

[osymandus]

On the topic of global warming, i've got a question for you:

If it wasn't for humans, the Spanish Armada wouldn't have nearly reached our coastline many hundreds of years ago. What do you guys reckon?

In what respect ??
I can tell you a fanciful tale of how Spy master and Encocian magcian Doctor john Dee summonend the great wind's on the orders of good Queen Bess ?

If you mean our industry and its polluting output ?? At the Elizabethan stage of technologey it would have had no effect what so ever . Population and pollution output was neglagable .

 

[Cheltenham Shrimper]

In what respect ??
I can tell you a fanciful tale of how Spy master and Encocian magcian Doctor john Dee summonend the great wind's on the orders of good Queen Bess ?

If you mean our industry and its polluting output ?? At the Elizabethan stage of technologey it would have had no effect what so ever . Population and pollution output was neglagable .

According to our Geography teacher, he was talking about an author called Bill Ruddiman. He was the one that stated that humans caused the ice the melt and so the Spanish Armada was able to sail across.

 

[osymandus]

According to our Geography teacher, he was talking about an author called Bill Ruddiman. He was the one that stated that humans caused the ice the melt and so the Spanish Armada was able to sail across.

Not come across him but im guessing his refering to

http://stephenschneider.stanford.edu/Publications/PDF_Papers/Crowley2003.pdf
and
http://press.princeton.edu/titles/8014.html

Which seems to state that asoon as mankind began settling from a nomadic species and became "civilised" land was removed and began to cause a greater warming.

However in the last 200 years as societies we've producded so much "crap" and pollution that as mentioned in teh new scients articules its not just warming alone that is the issue. Rather more complex.

 

[Mad Cyril]

According to our Geography teacher, he was talking about an author called Bill Ruddiman. He was the one that stated that humans caused the ice the melt and so the Spanish Armada was able to sail across.

Does your Geography teacher do a lot of drugs?

 

[Cheltenham Shrimper]

Not come across him but im guessing his refering to

http://stephenschneider.stanford.edu/Publications/PDF_Papers/Crowley2003.pdf
and
http://press.princeton.edu/titles/8014.html

Which seems to state that asoon as mankind began settling from a nomadic species and became "civilised" land was removed and began to cause a greater warming.

However in the last 200 years as societies we've producded so much "crap" and pollution that as mentioned in teh new scients articules its not just warming alone that is the issue. Rather more complex.

I'll have a read of those. Weve been given our exam questions before our exam, and one is related to the Anthropocene (sic) and if we can claim that this is valid. i.e like the humans and spanish armada statement I made earlier.

 

[Cheltenham Shrimper]

Does your Geography teacher do a lot of drugs?

Possibly, I wouldnt know!! :D

Weve got an essay due next week and an exam in 3 weeks time, and he's been given leave due to him being ill, which is nice.

So in today's lecture, i'm being taught by a professor solar radiation/weather and El Nino. Fun, fun, fun.

 

[Jam_Man]

At last a nice round up for people to get some properly researched information (unlike say the Channel 4 programe a month back (ooh you rascal's !!)) on Global warming and its possibel affects .

http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/climate-change/dn11638

Basiclly , we are causing it . But we can fix it :)

For every report that claims pollution is causing climate change you can find another that proves it wrong.

Personally I still think that the whole theory of mankind suddenly making the planet warmer or creating more adverse whether over a 100 year period laughable. I

The planet has been warming far longer than that, the Thames used to freeze over and I find it hard to believe that it no longer does because of pollution, when it stopped before industrialisation really kicked in.

The planet's climate will change irrespective of what Mankind will do, it got warmer and colder before we existed and it will do so long after we have long gone.

Pollution should be addressed and reducedas we should preserve the environment but not because its changing the worlds temperature or creates more hurricanes.

The fact this is taking such a hold on politics and the media is really frustrating, BBC news even had a whole 6 oclock show recently where they advised global warming was confirmed as caused by pollution, when in reality theres just as much evidence that contradicts it.

Off my soapbox I step whilst looking forward to warmer summers....

 

[Cheltenham Shrimper]

Didnt they think that we were meant to be entering an ice age, back in 1975? As i'm nearly 24, I can't remember that far back.


And no, i'm not being ageist again, before anyone says anything!

 

[Jam_Man]

In 1975 they didnt have google so dont trust anything they said back then.

 

[Cheltenham Shrimper]

We had to watch a program called 'The Weather Machine', I think it's called, from back in the day, and they stated it on there.

The size of the computers they had back then, were enormous!! Not suprised they didnt have google back then :p

 

[osymandus]

For every report that claims pollution is causing climate change you can find another that proves it wrong.

Personally I still think that the whole theory of mankind suddenly making the planet warmer or creating more adverse whether over a 100 year period laughable. I

The planet has been warming far longer than that, the Thames used to freeze over and I find it hard to believe that it no longer does because of pollution, when it stopped before industrialisation really kicked in.

The planet's climate will change irrespective of what Mankind will do, it got warmer and colder before we existed and it will do so long after we have long gone.

Pollution should be addressed and reducedas we should preserve the environment but not because its changing the worlds temperature or creates more hurricanes.

The fact this is taking such a hold on politics and the media is really frustrating, BBC news even had a whole 6 oclock show recently where they advised global warming was confirmed as caused by pollution, when in reality theres just as much evidence that contradicts it.

Off my soapbox I step whilst looking forward to warmer summers....

Unless this is a fishing experdition im quite surprised ;)

The majority of reports show a significant raise in temprature from the industrial revoltion onwards . Given Mankind and its products have been the greatest manipulator of teh Earth and enviroment itself it says its far more laughable if we'd have none or little effect on the enviroment .


As for the Thames no longer freezing , and the heat output of a modern industralized city , i think you'll have to go and check some facts on the heat pushed out by buildings which prove theres been a massive increase.

Temprature fluctatuions are not the real issue its assited accelerated heat that we may very well be assiting thast the issue. We cant really take a chance we on this one. It's not an economic or soical trick . Becuase if we're wrong none of these concepts will matter !

Looking at the links ive posted and teh papers , theres far more evidence to such a massive increase and a helping hand on our part.

 

[osymandus]

In 1975 they didnt have google so dont trust anything they said back then.

Lol but they did have the records that were later scanned and placed on website's ;) And hopefully used as cross refernced data.

 

[Jam_Man]

Unless this is a fishing experdition im quite surprised ;)


Looking at the links ive posted and teh papers , theres far more evidence to such a massive increase and a helping hand on our part.

Nope not fishing at all.

Theres plenty of evidence to contradict the evidence you quote.

Depsite what some scientists say do you really thing if Mankind never existed the climate would have remained the same ?

Its in constant fluctuation and I dont believe that we have had that much effect over the last 100 years and it would have been warmer now than 100 years ago anyway.

Im so certain Ive cut back half the bushes from my garden.

 

[osymandus]

Nope not fishing at all.

Theres plenty of evidence to contradict the evidence you quote.

Depsite what some scientists say do you really thing if Mankind never existed the climate would have remained the same ?

Its in constant fluctuation and I dont believe that we have had that much effect over the last 100 years and it would have been warmer now than 100 years ago anyway.

Im so certain Ive cut back half the bushes from my garden.

Thats not entirly what their discussing . The levels they project and the damage it will mostly likley cause ... well apocolyptic.

The fluctation maybe 1 or 2 degrees naturaly , what we're looking at could be up to 4-5 minimum which is already causing problems.

The research I've read and the report released recently by the IPCC (international scientific peer group) http://www.ipcc.ch/
Shows the current view of evidence show's a man made factor in the warming.

 

[Cheltenham Shrimper]

The research I've read and the report released recently by the IPCC (international scientific peer group) http://www.ipcc.ch/
Shows the current view of evidence show's a man made factor in the warming.

Wasnt that group slagged off in the C4 programme?

Another thing they claimed was that mosquitos are in abundance in hot countries, when apparantly there are sh*t loads in Siberia and the Arctic areas, which are much colder?

 

[osymandus]

Wasnt that group slagged off in the C4 programme?

Another thing they claimed was that mosquitos are in abundance in hot countries, when apparantly there are sh*t loads in Siberia and the Arctic areas, which are much colder?

Yup , but sadly the C4 programme was funed in part by people with intrest in petrolium firms :( .

Well both , they are in a higher abundance in hot countries as this is their natural enviroment. But other forms have adapted . Midgies and gnats are of a smiliar family .

 

[Cheltenham Shrimper]

Yup , but sadly the C4 programme was funed in part by people with intrest in petrolium firms :( .

Well both , they are in a higher abundance in hot countries as this is their natural enviroment. But other forms have adapted . Midgies and gnats are of a smiliar family .

Ah I didnt know that.

But do you really believe that some of the climate change has got something to do with solar forcing, from the C4 programme, or was all of that programme just made up to fill in an hour?

 

[Jam_Man]

Yup , but sadly the C4 programme was funed in part by people with intrest in petrolium firms :( .
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Actually thats the point that has been made on the program, its not funded by pertroleum firms and thats just all the "greens" say to any contradictory evidence.

There are plenty of scientists disproving the theories but as soon as they do they are branded as being paid off by Industry. Therefore they arent able to go as public as often with the data as it wrecks their careers and real funding.

You can choose to believe either side of the story, for every document you provide I could provide a counter document and you could do the same.

Ive made my mind up and am just grateful its getting a bit warmer and not colder :) (as it will one day !)