100th soldier killed in Afganistan

[TrueBlue]

Well both of those scenarios won't happen.

I can dream! :p

 

[Firestorm]

So when we crush them and the price of oil comes down that wont effect their lives?

True, but I doubt that fighting for a cheaper gallon of 4 star is quite in the "king and country" league ....

And its an American pipe line to enable them to get access to the Russian oil fields to ease the fuel issues of the USA, if anything it may put oil prices up as the Russian oil goes to the states.

 

[SUFCLiam]

Not worth it and never will be

 

[TrueBlue]

True, but I doubt that fighting for a cheaper gallon of 4 star is quite in the "king and country" league ....

don't think 4 Star bothers much of us these days :p

 

[A Century United]

It would, as YB has said, but nice if we could consider the war in Afghanistan in isolation from the war in Iraq.

In case you had forgotten, the Taliban weren't exactly a pleasant regime, ask the women who were forbiden to go out to work, or the girls banned from going to school. We are in Afghanistan as part of a UN approved International force and the aim is not to subjugate, conquor or otherwise colonise the country. The current government of Afghanistan is a properly Democratically elected regime, and they want the International forces there to help them in their fight agains Al Queda and the Taliban.

The problem is not that we are in Afghanistan, but that we are being made to take the brunt of the fighting because most of our "partners" aren't interested in getting their hands dirty. We shouldn't be putting pressure on our Government to withdraw, but on our partner's Governments to pull their bloody weight. This is such an important question, it really is worth researching the background to it before jumping to conclusions.

 

[Firestorm]

It would, as YB has said, but nice if we could consider the war in Afghanistan in isolation from the war in Iraq.

In case you had forgotten, the Taliban weren't exactly a pleasant regime, ask the women who were forbiden to go out to work, or the girls banned from going to school. We are in Afghanistan as part of a UN approved International force and the aim is not to subjugate, conquor or otherwise colonise the country. The current government of Afghanistan is a properly Democratically elected regime, and they want the International forces there to help them in their fight agains Al Queda and the Taliban.

The problem is not that we are in Afghanistan, but that we are being made to take the brunt of the fighting because most of our "partners" aren't interested in getting their hands dirty. We shouldn't be putting pressure on our Government to withdraw, but on our partner's Governments to pull their bloody weight. This is such an important question, it really is worth researching the background to it before jumping to conclusions.

So we send our boys all round the world to support other regimes who can't cope against subversive factions within their populace, yet when we have a similar problem, one of our "special relationship countries" allows a fundraising organisation for the terrorist organisation to have Charitable status !

 

[A Century United]

So we send our boys all round the world to support other regimes who can't cope against subversive factions within their populace, yet when we have a similar problem, one of our "special relationship countries" allows a fundraising organisation for the terrorist organisation to have Charitable status !

Yes, but how does that affect our responisibility to the majority of the people of Afghanistan who have voted for a government who want us there?

We should only judge things on whether they are right or wrong, not behave hypocritically because others do.

 

[chadded]

Say whatever you want, you can get a cracking tan out here though..

 

[Firestorm]

Yes, but how does that affect our responisibility to the majority of the people of Afghanistan who have voted for a government who want us there?

We should only judge things on whether they are right or wrong, not behave hypocritically because others do.

True, but then we must suffer the consequences of being the protector of the Worlds morals and treat everyone the same. I doubt that we will be going ito Zimbabwe because of our reponsbility to the Majority of voters, nor did we ever dream of going into China to resolve the oppression, We have kept out of Burma, we are nowhere near Tibet etc etc. Would that be because the Americans do not have anything to gain by going to these places ?

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

Say whatever you want, you can get a cracking tan out here though..

Yes, but it looks a slightly odd tan when it just covers your eyes. Have you been wearing a burkha?

 

[Cricko]

True, but then we must suffer the consequences of being the protector of the Worlds morals and treat everyone the same. I doubt that we will be going ito Zimbabwe because of our reponsbility to the Majority of voters, nor did we ever dream of going into China to resolve the oppression, We have kept out of Burma, we are nowhere near Tibet etc etc. Would that be because the Americans do not have anything to gain by going to these places ?

I agree with Gary, since when are we the Police of the World...The USA do it for political reasons , always have . the majority of the congress are Jewish hence there support of Israel..Where are these mighty nations that spend Billions on arms but let people starve in Zimbabwe, Ethiopia...Chad..etc .I guess the answer will be ..."It's the African problem"...

It sucks :madman:

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

I agree with Gary, since when are we the Police of the World...The USA do it for political reasons , always have . the majority of the congress are Jewish hence there support of Israel..Where are these mighty nations that spend Billions on arms but let people starve in Zimbabwe, Ethiopia...Chad..etc .I guess the answer will be ..."It's the African problem"...

It sucks :madman:

I can picture BAG jumping up and down as he reads that.

There is no way a majority of Congress are Jewish. I'd put the figure at less than 10%.

I think that there is no question that the Zionist lobby in the US is immensely powerful when it comes to US foreign policy and exerts what I'd consider far too much influence over it, but please check your facts before making outrageous claims like that.

 

[chaco27saf]

Absolutely pointless unwinnable war. RIP to every soldier killed in Afghanistan or in Iraq thanks to Bush's insatiable desire for oil.

Lets just hope Obama gets elected, for another 4 years of a Republican war mongering just doesn't bare thinking about.

In my opinion, if this is this is how you feel you must know very little about American politics, and in particular the upcoming election.

 

[chaco27saf]

I agree with Gary, since when are we the Police of the World...The USA do it for political reasons , always have . the majority of the congress are Jewish hence there support of Israel..Where are these mighty nations that spend Billions on arms but let people starve in Zimbabwe, Ethiopia...Chad..etc .I guess the answer will be ..."It's the African problem"...

It sucks :madman:

Well, as YB mentioned BAG would be none to pleased with that comment, so in his absence I'll fight that ridiculous claim (however, I am only half Jewish, so I suppose I'll be only half as mad).

First of all, in the Senate, out of 100 members 13 are Jewish, while in the House of Representatives only 30 of 435 members are Jewish (source: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/jewcong110.html)
Congress is overwhelmingly Christian, it always has been, and it probably always will be.

Secondly, why should the US (and other Western countries) not support Israel? Say what you will about what they should do regarding a Palestinian state, but the simple fact of the matter is they are constantly targets of terrorist activities. The governments of the west have all consistently said they will not give in to the demands of terrorists, so why should Israel be held to a different standard? Furthermore, many elected Palestinian officials belong to organizations that most countries consider to be affiliated with terrorism. I'm not saying that a Palestinian state shouldn't exist, but with current conditions the way they are, I've yet to hear one compelling reason that the US shouldn't back Israel. Also, I think you may be surprised by how much the US actually restrains Israel from doing some things that they want to do.

 

[A Century United]

The Israelis ultimate aim in the Middle East is to have security within their (admittedly slightly blurred/elastic) borders.

The Arab Nations ultimate aim is to drive the entire Jewish Nation into the sea.

While deploring some of the policies and tactics of the Israelis, it does help to remember the above.