Staying at RH and ditching Fossets

[Whispering Bob]

Anyone know the capacity of Brentford's new stadium, and cost to build? (asking for a friend).

 

[kentblues]

Anyone know the capacity of Brentford's new stadium, and cost to build? (asking for a friend).

Brentford stadium construction unlikely to begin until the new year

Supporters of Brentford FC who are keen to see bulldozers roll onto the site where their new stadium will stand...

www.stadiumdesignsummit.com

£71m - of course actual cost might have been more or less (my experience of the building industry rarely the latter).

 

[Whispering Bob]

Brentford stadium construction unlikely to begin until the new year

Supporters of Brentford FC who are keen to see bulldozers roll onto the site where their new stadium will stand...

www.stadiumdesignsummit.com

£71m - of course actual cost might have been more or less (my experience of the building industry rarely the latter).

Many thanks KB. So say 80m for quite an attractive 20k seater stadium.

 

[Joolz]

The thought of enduring these last 4 years and NOT ending up with a new stadium to show for it is too much to bear for me.

Roots Hall is beyond redemption IMO - I still love it of course, but I'm ready for a new stadium and all that hopefully goes with it (better views, seats, facilities etc...). What sort of new stadium we actually get remains to be seen of course (if indeed we get one at all).

 

[kentblues]

Many thanks KB. So say 80m for quite an attractive 20k seater stadium.

I guess particularly if Homes England are providing the funding as an enabling development..

 

[Reefs]

Be weary of using comparable evidence as a means of assessing potential stadium development costs.
To actually develop a serviceable stadium which doesn't major on architectural flair or complex design (unlike Brentford), you'd be looking at between £1500-£2000 / seat. So, a 21,000 seater can theoretically be built for around £31-40m.

 

[Strykr]

Be weary of using comparable evidence as a means of assessing potential stadium development costs.
To actually develop a serviceable stadium which doesn't major on architectural flair or complex design (unlike Brentford), you'd be looking at between £1500-£2000 / seat. So, a 21,000 seater can theoretically be built for around £31-40m.

How much is a portacabin and a burger van next to a field? Pretty sure ron would like the answer.

 

[kentblues]

Be weary of using comparable evidence as a means of assessing potential stadium development costs.
To actually develop a serviceable stadium which doesn't major on architectural flair or complex design (unlike Brentford), you'd be looking at between £1500-£2000 / seat. So, a 21,000 seater can theoretically be built for around £31-40m.

But Fossets as curently designed would be comparable to Brentford?- notwithstanding we could build an "airfix' or simple 4 stands with nothing in the corners type development for much less e.g. £31-40m?

Interesting RM hasn't just gone for the cheap as possible route when it comes to the stadium? I guess if the "beautiful" stadium costs twice as much then that can/might be reflected in future rents, sale value, revenue streams? (note I am asking the question not making a statement). Also if Homes England are funding does that encourage a more expensive development? (again a question not a view)

 

[Tommy2holes]

Does the location not make a difference in build cost. Surely the labour force recruited in West London would cost more than out on the Essex coast

 

[Ex-SouthendUnitedEmployee]

Fossets is too far down the line now to just axe. We are now in danger of being the next Darlington... nice shiny new stadium... no team.

While I love Roots Hall, I'd grown up living down Shakespeare, etc and it will be a wretch to see it pulled down, I know to accept the inevitability that the club needs to move.

A fair majority of Roots Hall is now old and not justifying the constant repairs needed for the safety certificate.

I could not for example see the council granting permission to expand the West Stand or any modifications due to its close proximity to housing.

You now have limited space with the North Bank. You could get rid of it and do a South Stand style, but is it financially worth that?

That leaves the East Stand... mainly made of wood!

What the club lacks at Roots Hall is any real commercial arms to make money outside of football, which is what Fossets would offer.

The club makes a loss each season, and just rebuilding a stand isn't going to create any commercial revenue, drive bigger crowds, get more local and national businesses sponsoring the club / stadium.

Making a stadium more accessible on a matchday and creating a stadium that can drive revenue 7 days a week is what's going to bring cash into the club and might just... just make the club a more viable business.

 

[Strykr]

Amex type stadium would do us.
Nice design, was built initially in mind to increase capacity, large and excellent facilities to earn revenue.
Cost £93 mill tho ?

Is there a design for the stadium anymore?

I quite liked the look of the old one, (pre credit crunch) had some style to it.

 

[Tommy2holes]

Fossets is too far down the line now to just axe. We are now in danger of being the next Darlington... nice shiny new stadium... no team.

While I love Roots Hall, I'd grown up living down Shakespeare, etc and it will be a wretch to see it pulled down, I know to accept the inevitability that the club needs to move.

A fair majority of Roots Hall is now old and not justifying the constant repairs needed for the safety certificate.

I could not for example see the council granting permission to expand the West Stand or any modifications due to its close proximity to housing.

You now have limited space with the North Bank. You could get rid of it and do a South Stand style, but is it financially worth that?

That leaves the East Stand... mainly made of wood!

What the club lacks at Roots Hall is any real commercial arms to make money outside of football, which is what Fossets would offer.

The club makes a loss each season, and just rebuilding a stand isn't going to create any commercial revenue, drive bigger crowds, get more local and national businesses sponsoring the club / stadium.

Making a stadium more accessible on a matchday and creating a stadium that can drive revenue 7 days a week is what's going to bring cash into the club and might just... just make the club a more viable business.

Agreed. But chasing fossetts may end up killing the club.

 

[Tommy2holes]

Amex type stadium would do us.
Nice design, was built initially in mind to increase capacity, large and excellent facilities to earn revenue.
Cost £93 mill tho ?

And as good as it is. Its miles from anywhere

 

[Strykr]

And as good as it is. Its miles from anywhere

Falmer Station is near, and has park n ride on matchdays. It makes quite an imposing statement as you drive past the town.

Maybe we need the RBS stadium.

 

[Reefs]

Does the location not make a difference in build cost. Surely the labour force recruited in West London would cost more than out on the Essex coast

Not really. Not in the greater scheme of things.

 

[Reefs]

But Fossets as curently designed would be comparable to Brentford?- notwithstanding we could build an "airfix' or simple 4 stands with nothing in the corners type development for much less e.g. £31-40m?

Interesting RM hasn't just gone for the cheap as possible route when it comes to the stadium? I guess if the "beautiful" stadium costs twice as much then that can/might be reflected in future rents, sale value, revenue streams? (note I am asking the question not making a statement). Also if Homes England are funding does that encourage a more expensive development? (again a question not a view)

If this was being looked at logically, we could build something like Plough Lane, albeit with a little more creative licence, for about £10m.
People are very quick to, perhaps bias-loaded, criticise the aesthetics of the Weston Homes Community Stadium, but it does everything Roots Hall currently doesn't do, and we aren't in a position to be commissioning an RIBA award-winning stadium. You cut your cloth accordingly.

 

[The Big Dady]

I had a dream once that Roots Hall was redeveloped with a nice new stadium!

Then I woke up.

 

[kentblues]

If this was being looked at logically, we could build something like Plough Lane, albeit with a little more creative licence, for about £10m.
People are very quick to, perhaps bias-loaded, criticise the aesthetics of the Weston Homes Community Stadium, but it does everything Roots Hall currently doesn't do, and we aren't in a position to be commissioning an RIBA award-winning stadium. You cut your cloth accordingly.

The Plough Lane stadium was just over £30m? Edit: worth also noting with 9000 capacuty

New Stadium: your questions answered

As promised, we have endeavoured to answer the questions posted to us in an Open Letter from fans following the release of last week’s Dons Trust statement.

www.afcwimbledon.co.uk

 

[Reefs]

The Plough Lane stadium was just over £30m? Edit: worth also noting with 9000 capacuty

New Stadium: your questions answered

As promised, we have endeavoured to answer the questions posted to us in an Open Letter from fans following the release of last week’s Dons Trust statement.

www.afcwimbledon.co.uk

Sounds like a loaded cost to me including land acquisition, demolition of the greyhound stadium, design/engineering fees and associated enabling works.
You can deliver 10,000 seats for £10m without too much concern.

 

[Seaside Shrimper]

The Plough Lane stadium was just over £30m? Edit: worth also noting with 9000 capacuty

New Stadium: your questions answered

As promised, we have endeavoured to answer the questions posted to us in an Open Letter from fans following the release of last week’s Dons Trust statement.

www.afcwimbledon.co.uk

The detail and insight in that article is incredible! Imagine having that level of detail from the owner operators of our club!