EU: In or out?

[Tangled up in Blue]

And they all popped over here in the last couple of years did they? Wow!! I stand corrected and bow to your superior knowledge. Knowing all this amazing talent is queuing up to come over to Blighty cheers me up no end.

Obviously time to sign up as a mature student and get a degree.:winking:

 

[Beefy]

Where is your evidence that immigrants contribute more than they cost us. Southern Europe is just a transit camp for people trying to get to the UK. These people are not just Africans, although why Nigerians and Ghanians are using this route when they are from Commonwealth countries is beyond me; there are Asians and even Afghans! British and U.S. Servicemen have died in their hundreds to make Afghanistan safe but Afghans are still trying to get here, they cannot be refugees?

Whilst we are in The EU, we will be forced to take this flotsam and jetsam into this country and pay for them with our taxes. If you want extra millions of economic migrants in our country and you and your children to pay for them, vote to stay in. I wish our politicians had the balls of those in Australia!

How exactly will leaving the EU change this though? I think this is the key - what is the immigration policy for non-EU citizens post-exit and what is different to what we can put in place today?

Also I'd be surprised if all of those people are travelling and risking their lives to get to the UK. Why would they when there are 27 other countries in the EU, many with higher level of benefits, more jobs, lower cost of living and less anti-immigration rhetoric?

 

[Bielzibubz]

Also I'd be surprised if all of those people are travelling and risking their lives to get to the UK. Why would they when there are 27 other countries in the EU, many with higher level of benefits, more jobs, lower cost of living and less anti-immigration rhetoric?

It's not the level of benefit that attracts them here. It's the ease at which they are allowed to get them and how easy it is to just vanish into the system for years that attracts them. It's also the amount of unskilled/low paid jobs that are available here.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

It's not the level of benefit that attracts them here. It's the ease at which they are allowed to get them and how easy it is to just vanish into the system for years that attracts them. It's also the amount of unskilled/low paid jobs that are available here.

Xenophobic and economically illiterate nonsense.
Got any facts to back up your points? :unsure:

 

[South Bank Hank]

Racist and economically illiterate nonsense.

Got any facts to back up your points? :unsure:

Behave yourself. It's quite clear Bielzibubz's "they" refers to the same 'non-EU citizens' "they" that Beefy referred to in post 62. I personally welcome immigration and its wider benefits but the more people play the racist card for inappropriate reasons, the more they reduce its capacity for dealing with real issues.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Behave yourself. It's quite clear Bielzibubz's "they" refers to the same 'non-EU citizens' "they" that Beefy referred to in post 62. I personally welcome immigration and it's wider benefits but the more people play the racist card for nonsensical reasons, the more they reduce its capacity for dealing with real issues.

Notice I'd changed the wording of my post before reading this.

 

[Bielzibubz]

Xenophobic and economically illiterate nonsense.
Got any facts to back up your points? :unsure:

Oh dear God. You self righteous baffoon (edited that so as not to fall out with the mods. You can guess what it said though). What's xenophobic about calling a group of people 'them' or referring to them as 'they'?

My facts are this. I live here and see more and deal with more of it personally than you ever have or will. I live with it daily, not cherry pick what I want to consider facts from a broadsheet paper from a couple of thousand miles away.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Oh dear God. You self righteous baffoon (edited that so as not to fall out with the mods. You can guess what it said though). What's xenophobic about calling a group of people 'them' or referring to them as 'they'?

My facts are this. I live here and see more and deal with more of it personally than you ever have or will. I live with it daily, not cherry pick what I want to consider facts from a broadsheet paper from a couple of thousand miles away.

Just as I thought as when previously challenged, you have no facts to back up your argument, (not even from your mate in the Police this time), just odious ill-informed opinions.

BTW,please note, I regularly watch C4 news and Newsnight too as well as read the Guardian daily.

In answer to your question, I suggest you look up the meaning of xenophobic in the dictionary.

 

[callan]

Just as I thought as when previously challenged, you have no facts to back up your argument, (not even from your mate in the Police this time), just odious ill-informed opinions.

BTW,please note, I regularly watch C4 news and Newsnight too as well as read the Guardian daily.

In answer to your question, I suggest you look up the meaning of xenophobic in the dictionary.

Out of interest do you have any facts that back up that immigrants don't come here as benefits are easy to obtain, in addition to there being low skilled work available?

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Out of interest do you have any facts that back up that immigrants don't come here as benefits are easy to obtain, in addition to there being low skilled work available?

All the statistics show that immigrants are far more interested in working rather than claiming benefits.

Immigrants both from outside the EU and EU immigrants claim less than British citizens.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...h-do-immigrants-really-claim-in-benefits.html

It's in The Torygraph,so must be true.:winking:

 

[callan]

All the statistics show that immigrants are far more interested in working rather than claiming benefits.

Immigrants both from outside the EU and EU immigrants claim less than British citizens.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...h-do-immigrants-really-claim-in-benefits.html

It's in The Torygraph,so must be true.:winking:

I think you should read the links you post:

But the data do show that among single families receiving either working family tax credit or childs tax credit, the majority of within non-UK claimants are from the EU: 157,600 single families from the EU receive one or both of the benefits while 146,000 of those from outside of the EU do.
Jonathan Portes, directer of the National Institute of Economic and Social Research, explained why EU migrants would receive tax credits in the Observer: “Many migrants from the EU … are in low-paid work (including self-employment) and so receive tax credits; as the numbers settling here permanently have grown, and they start having kids, this has become quite a significant phenomenon.”

 

[Bielzibubz]

Just as I thought as when previously challenged, you have no facts to back up your argument, (not even from your mate in the Police this time), just odious ill-informed opinions.

BTW,please note, I regularly watch C4 news and Newsnight too as well as read the Guardian daily.

In answer to your question, I suggest you look up the meaning of xenophobic in the dictionary.

When you've lived here for a number of years you can then come back and challenge me and my opinions. Until then they mean absolutely diddly squat when it comes to the immigrant/migrant problem the UK faces.

Oh, by the way. Watching C4 News and Newsnight doesn't by any stretch of the imagination mean you know what your talking about. As is proved every time you put finger to keyboard.

Xenophobia - dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries.

So I can assume from your post that because I call a group of people 'them' or 'they' you assume I dislike them yes? Well, oh righteous baffoon. Let me assure you I don't dislike them (oops, did it again didn't I) I work with some very hard working economic migrants from Bulgaria and Slovakia as well as other places on a daily basis. My point was and is there are a vast amount of migrants both from the old Eastern Bloc countries and well as Africa and Asia and beyond that do come here because of the ease of getting financial and social help. It's not racist to say that, it's a fact.

There are two problems here. 1 You don't live here and SEE it LIVE it and 2. you have such a one sided, blinkered and outdated political view on life in general you can't and won't accept that just sometimes someone has more experience on a subject than you, your family or your pet rabbit.

 

[MK Shrimper]

From the Telegraph

What does this all mean? It suggests that whatever the arguments for and against reducing the number of EU migrants receiving British benefits, delivering such a reduction wouldn’t make a significant difference to the overall welfare bill which is estimated to be £208 billion for the year 2013-14. And seeing as the take-up of benefits among migrants is so small, it’s also worth asking how big of a draw Britain’s welfare system really is.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...h-do-immigrants-really-claim-in-benefits.html

And I believe that EU migrants put in 7 times more in taxes than is actually taken out via the benefits pot.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

When you've lived here for a number of years you can then come back and challenge me and my opinions. Until then they mean absolutely diddly squat when it comes to the immigrant/migrant problem the UK faces.

Oh, by the way. Watching C4 News and Newsnight doesn't by any stretch of the imagination mean you know what your talking about. As is proved every time you put finger to keyboard.

Xenophobia - dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries.

So I can assume from your post that because I call a group of people 'them' or 'they' you assume I dislike them yes? Well, oh righteous baffoon. Let me assure you I don't dislike them (oops, did it again didn't I) I work with some very hard working economic migrants from Bulgaria and Slovakia as well as other places on a daily basis. My point was and is there are a vast amount of migrants both from the old Eastern Bloc countries and well as Africa and Asia and beyond that do come here because of the ease of getting financial and social help. It's not racist to say that, it's a fact.

There are two problems here. 1 You don't live here and SEE it LIVE it and 2. you have such a one sided, blinkered and outdated political view on life in general you can't and won't accept that just sometimes someone has more experience on a subject than you, your family or your pet rabbit.

Actually I did live in the UK "for a number of years." I was born and brought up in Southend and didn't move abroad until I was in my late 20's.Even after that I came came for a year in 80/1 and did 3 months postgraduate study in London in 1991.

if you think the immigrant/migrant problem is only restricted to the UK then you are the one who's sadly deluded.

Difference is that right-wing bigots like you don't have a platform to bang on about it here, as you (and others ) do in the UK.

 

[GBJ]

Difference is that right-wing bigots like you don't have a platform to bang on about it here, as you (and others ) do.

Casual prejudice towards the right wing as usual, proves any sensible & reasonable debate can't be had, because it's like having a conversation with a child, who's closed their eyes, put their fingers in their ears & are stomping their feet, screaming "Racist bigots, the lot of ya".

A standard tactic, which is so widely & quickly utilised by the liberals & is frequently found in these type of threads.

 

[MK Shrimper]

A standard tactic, which is so widely & quickly utilised by the liberals & is frequently found in these type of threads.

I've provided data (from a right wing source) which has been roundly ignored. Care to comment?

 

[GBJ]

I've provided data (from a right wing source) which has been roundly ignored. Care to comment?

Makes a change, something you post being ignored :smile: :winking:
As soon as I have time, I'll read it, specially for you mate :thumbsup:

 

[MK Shrimper]

Makes a change, something you post being ignored :smile: :winking:
As soon as I have time, I'll read it, specially for you mate :thumbsup:

Very gracious. Here's another from the FT. EU immigration has brought in over £20Bn in tax revenue.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/c49043a8-6447-11e4-b219-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3dtNdnnX4

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Casual prejudice towards the right wing as usual, proves any sensible & reasonable debate can't be had, because it's like having a conversation with a child, who's closed their eyes, put their fingers in their ears & are stomping their feet, screaming "Racist bigots, the lot of ya".

A standard tactic, which is so widely & quickly utilised by the liberals & is frequently found in these type of threads.

Nothing casual about my predjudice against right-wingers.It's life-long and merited.

I notice you chose to highlight just one sentence from my post rather than contest any of the other points I raised.

 

[mrsblue]

Just read the last few pages which have left me bemused and stunned.

The only question,

Why do the immigrants wish to pass through nice hot countries and Germany and France to get into Great Britain.