A Bit of Fun Transfer Rumours Thread (Potential New Signings)

[Barry.C]

Yes lets all just ignore the debate and reasonable considerations, especially if it implies a concern over travel of direction

 

[rigsby]

It seems that a number of zoners have convinced themselves that getting in a largish number of gnarley older pros is the way to go to jump straight back up. Put your faith in Phil in this regard

If only it was true and born out by the facts

But Lets not allow facts to impair the path of mythology

The game has moved on and whilst there is a sprinkling of course of successful older pros , it is mainly the 25 to 29 year olds that carry teams to success these days in this league. Youngsters very occasionally do it and just as rarely might a side geared with more seasoned pros, but very unlikely

Its a matter of balance

Walking away with it this year on 84 points and losing just 8 games, knocking in 72 goals was Sutton United

They retain an excellent academy, focus on a broad Managemnt group running the club, have a Womens team that has won promotion 3 years running, won Business of the year for their Community and have an acknowledged best all weather pitch in the country for academy players

Their best and consistent winning squad comprises of 8 players aged 25 to 29 and 2 24 year olds. We currently have 3 in this age group and are looking to sign 8 over 30

So we now need an artificial pitch and a decent Womens team as well as retained Goodship and Emile.

 

[kentblues]

Were just going around in circles.
It was pointed out the Sutton had 3 players 30 and above, 4 25-29 and 4 who we would call "u23s" in the top 11 players by appearance. I could of commented that the 12th most appearances was 33 years old (so convenient cut off) and a 40 year old made 12 appearances (all be it I think from the bench). I couldn't be bothered.

For those remotely interested, and without further comment, here is the link to Sutton United's squad and ages last year. Make your own mind up. Personally I don't care. A good 30 year old I will take over a crap 29 year old every day of the week.

Sutton United - Squad statistics

This is the compact view of club Sutton Utd with performance data of the competition Overall statistics of current season .

www.transfermarkt.co.uk

 

[Jai]

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Yes lets all just ignore the debate and reasonable considerations, especially if it implies a concern over travel of direction

There are valid concerns I agree. Although it's hard to judge because the goalposts are changing so fast for all the managers we have had in the past three years.

Every manager since Brown has had to cut the cloth thanks to the money paid out on the Kightlys, Kiernans, Turners, Ferdinands and Coxes. Chris Powell would still have been expected to sign good League One players to push for promotion, and he did to an extent (Humphrys, Hopper, Ladapo) but was hammered by injuries. Things were clearly starting to hit when Bond took charge and he was forced to look to Scotland, never a good sign.

Then when Campbell came in things had really gone to pot and he basically wasn't allowed to sign anyone.

Molesley was in the same boat, embargo in place and was faced with an additional difficulty in that the club was falling fast and agents/players were well aware they could end up with an EFL relegation on their CV. He was actually going for the type of players that personally I was on board with, youngish, hungry with a non-league background and the best years of their careers ahead of them. However, the issue he had was actually getting them in the door. It still rankles when he gets pelters for letting Barratt go, when basically in order to bring in his own players and put his stamp on the side, it was one in, one out and he was limited with what he could do.

Now we have had the ultimate drop but yet seem to be much more financially stable, so we can't attract the players we used to, but we are able to flex our muscle a little bit as we benefit from money that other clubs don't get at this level. Brown clearly favours experience and that is not necessarily a bad thing, but there's definitely been a few warning signs, and many of us remember why he lost his job in the first place - and the effect that the largesse he enjoyed in his previous spell (I know he didn't sign the cheques) had on his successors.

This has all taken place in the space of three years, and it's incredibly difficult for every manager that walks in the door to constantly adapt. But Brown could do himself and us all a favour by stopping the constant chirping at previous regimes. Aside from being classless, it shows he has absolutely no understanding of the mistakes that were made last time he was at the club, and the consequences.

 

[rigsby]

He is some news that maybe Ron and the new team might not even know. A certain player, NL CB, who we were interested in (who's name has not been mentioned) is now not going to sign as he has been offered £450 per week more than we were offering.

 

[Jasrod]

Yes lets all just ignore the debate and reasonable considerations, especially if it implies a concern over travel of direction

Age is just one, one! of many reasonable considerations!!

You just keep banging on about it! Would you have signed Mesut Orzil at 28 for thousands a week??

Brilliant on his day but not a team player at all. In fact biggest wast of space any premier league club has had for some time!

but I guess was worth paying as he was 28

 

[Barry.C]

Its a forum for views and opinions and an awful lot are desperate at all cost to blithely back Ron

Feel free to place me on ignore , infact given your comments I would prefer it

 

[Barry.C]

Were just going around in circles.
It was pointed out the Sutton had 3 players 30 and above, 4 25-29 and 4 who we would call "u23s" in the top 11 players by appearance. I could of commented that the 12th most appearances was 33 years old (so convenient cut off) and a 40 year old made 12 appearances (all be it I think from the bench). I couldn't be bothered.

For those remotely interested, and without further comment, here is the link to Sutton United's squad and ages last year. Make your own mind up. Personally I don't care. A good 30 year old I will take over a crap 29 year old every day of the week.

Sutton United - Squad statistics

This is the compact view of club Sutton Utd with performance data of the competition Overall statistics of current season .

www.transfermarkt.co.uk

For somebody who doesnt care how come you cant stop yourself posting about it ?

2 of the 32+players who performed for Sutton made just 13 appearances some as sub.

Lets also not look at Suttons success but all just bow to the Phil and Ron., God I hope Tom Lawrence has got something about him

 

[KiwiRob]

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There are valid concerns I agree. Although it's hard to judge because the goalposts are changing so fast for all the managers we have had in the past three years.

Every manager since Brown has had to cut the cloth thanks to the money paid out on the Kightlys, Kiernans, Turners, Ferdinands and Coxes. Chris Powell would still have been expected to sign good League One players to push for promotion, and he did to an extent (Humphrys, Hopper, Ladapo) but was hammered by injuries. Things were clearly starting to hit when Bond took charge and he was forced to look to Scotland, never a good sign.

Then when Campbell came in things had really gone to pot and he basically wasn't allowed to sign anyone.

Molesley was in the same boat, embargo in place and was faced with an additional difficulty in that the club was falling fast and agents/players were well aware they could end up with an EFL relegation on their CV. He was actually going for the type of players that personally I was on board with, youngish, hungry with a non-league background and the best years of their careers ahead of them. However, the issue he had was actually getting them in the door. It still rankles when he gets pelters for letting Barratt go, when basically in order to bring in his own players and put his stamp on the side, it was one in, one out and he was limited with what he could do.

Now we have had the ultimate drop but yet seem to be much more financially stable, so we can't attract the players we used to, but we are able to flex our muscle a little bit as we benefit from money that other clubs don't get at this level. Brown clearly favours experience and that is not necessarily a bad thing, but there's definitely been a few warning signs, and many of us remember why he lost his job in the first place - and the effect that the largesse he enjoyed in his previous spell (I know he didn't sign the cheques) had on his successors.

This has all taken place in the space of three years, and it's incredibly difficult for every manager that walks in the door to constantly adapt. But Brown could do himself and us all a favour by stopping the constant chirping at previous regimes. Aside from being classless, it shows he has absolutely no understanding of the mistakes that were made last time he was at the club, and the consequences.

I think a balance of experience and youth would work well in the NL. But getting the balance right will be difficult. One thing concerns me is that if the club leans too far in the direction of experience, it could be left with a very long injury list after PB's very rigorous pre-season training which he has described as six weeks of "organised pain".

 

[rigsby]

I think a balance of experience and youth would work well in the NL. But getting the balance right will be difficult. One thing concerns is that if the club leans too far in the direction of experience, it could be left with a very long injury list after PB's very rigorous pre-season training which he has described as six weeks of "organised pain".

Boot camp gets my vote, any professional should be looking forward to it. CP, Bond and MM's slipper camps done us, or the injured in the season, no favours what so ever. Even certain players weren't impressed with the low standard.

 

[mfurok]

Were just going around in circles.
It was pointed out the Sutton had 3 players 30 and above, 4 25-29 and 4 who we would call "u23s" in the top 11 players by appearance. I could of commented that the 12th most appearances was 33 years old (so convenient cut off) and a 40 year old made 12 appearances (all be it I think from the bench). I couldn't be bothered.

For those remotely interested, and without further comment, here is the link to Sutton United's squad and ages last year. Make your own mind up. Personally I don't care. A good 30 year old I will take over a crap 29 year old every day of the week.

Sutton United - Squad statistics

This is the compact view of club Sutton Utd with performance data of the competition Overall statistics of current season .

www.transfermarkt.co.uk

Sutton only went up because Bailey left.

 

[Barry.C]

Don't forget age is not important Bazza. The only thing that matters every summer is how early they are signed. You have been telling us this fact for the last 7 seasons

Sorry missed this one and thanks for mentioning it. It wont surprise you if I stick to the view that age does matter a lot in life and in football. However Im delighted for your referencing my 7 year plight to bring to Rons ear if ever possible that what research there is available highlights that Clubs that get players in early are more likely to be successful, I hope after my pleas we may finally move in this direction and am pleased to see Jw signed and especially Hobson., although surprised by Halford

At least you noticed the wisdom flowing forth over the years

 

[flangejackrabbit]

He is some news that maybe Ron and the new team might not even know. A certain player, NL CB, who we were interested in (who's name has not been mentioned) is now not going to sign as he has been offered £450 per week more than we were offering.

Luke Croll? Just a guess

 

[overseas shrimper]

Sorry missed this one and thanks for mentioning it. It wont surprise you if I stick to the view that age does matter a lot in life and in football. However Im delighted for your referencing my 7 year plight to bring to Rons ear if ever possible that what research there is available highlights that Clubs that get players in early are more likely to be successful, I hope after my pleas we may finally move in this direction and am pleased to see Jw signed and especially Hobson., although surprised by Halford

At least you noticed the wisdom flowing forth over the years

What research tells us is that people that say 'what research tells us' tend to use the phrase to try and emphasise their own beliefs in the absence of research material as evidence at hand.

In other words, where is all this research you keep referring to?

 

[Barry.C]

I see 4 players scored 36 goals for Sutton in their triumphant season, Strangely all aged between 21 and 29 , but of course you cant find these pesky youngsters and you need 32 year olds to score regularly

Does this mean our social sleuths can stop summ


What research tells us is that people that say 'what research tells us' tend to use the phrase to try and emphasise their own beliefs in the absence of research material as evidence at hand.

In other words, where is all this research you keep referring to?

 

[Barry.C]

I have referenced this to the research to the best of my own ability before, I’m not going to keep doing it
try using your own brain or even basic instincts
do you think it’s best to scramble a team together late as has been our tendency or have the side well prepared and set up pre
season
imaybe the concept is too tough for you to grip, .

 

[Amwell Blue]

You win nothing with kids ?

 

[Westcliff DGS]

Goodship back to Weymouth then

thought I would change the thread to a transfer thats happened rather than everyone going back and forth on ages as it is becoming tiresome (for me at least lol)

 

[overseas shrimper]

I have referenced this to the research to the best of my own ability before, I’m not going to keep doing it
try using your own brain or even basic instincts
do you think it’s best to scramble a team together late as has been our tendency or have the side well prepared and set up pre
season
imaybe the concept is too tough for you to grip, .

Well, you certainly do keep mentioning this research, ad nauseum.

I'm more than capable of using my own brain, thank you. So much so, I don't need to mention the 'r' word.

For the record, I believe it is conducive to have a mix of youth, middling and older players in a successful squad for various reason that have a benefit on and off the pitch.

I also believe age is not just a hard line in the sand. Different individuals age differently. Some pick up injuries more, others don't. It also depends on their playing style and position.

I think we have a good smattering of youth and older players. Perhaps what we're missing are a few players in that middle ground.

 

[Barry.C]

What research tells us is that people that say 'what research tells us' tend to use the phrase to try and emphasise their own beliefs in the absence of research material as evidence at hand.

In other words, where is all this research you keep referring to?

thiS is just a little starter taster for you

Journel of Sports science

”Some players become jaded early in pre season, the main advantage of a longer pre season is the advantage of achieving high tactical familiarity, and team cohesion before the new season starts due to the extra training and friendliest”

”it’s important to prepare players effectively during pre season trading so that they can achieve high match performance levels as soon as the new season starts and that players can cope physically, a main advantage in a longer pre season together is the achievement of high tactical familiarity, player development and team cohesion, and planning to ensure PEAK performance

Attributes and conditioning do drop pff in the close season, especially tactical familiarity and team cohesion

A study , well researched looked at pre season signings over a period of years in the Premiership , the published article clearly referenced how teams that completed their business early and had their squad together finished higher in the league in the majority of circumstances than those that didn’t

i could produce more of this but there will only be more smart arses poo pooing it or suggesting I’m banging on too much about it