Training Advice

[Bucks_blue]

3. Arthur Wise - 20 yo, BT Rating=24,456
RH Batsman, RH Spin Bowler, superb batting form, superb bowling form, sublime
A cautious player with respectable leadership skills and abysmal experience.
Stamina: competent Wicket Keeping: feeble
Batting: strong Concentration: quality
Bowling: worthless Consistency: abysmal
Fielding: mediocre

This guy is going to pop in 5 weeks time to Superb.

Now it'll take practically the rest of the eseason to get him up to Quality. Is that level jump worth it.

Unlkike my WK who I was happy to keep giving him the nets as he was a year younger I really need this guys batting net for a new trainee.

Should I stick with him until Quality though and find the net somewhere else?

 

[MrB]

With his secondary I would say you could get away with leaving him at Superb. 20yo's take 15/16 weeks to pop so you'd be cutting into next season. A couple of levels of extra stamina and he'll be fine as a middle order batsman once younger batsmen overtake him.

 

[Bucks_blue]

I know it gets mentioned all the time but has any one got the training period for 17-20 year olds in Ba & Bo.

My estimates seem well off as I have 3 palyers now 2 weeks over due.

I had it down as 8 weeks for a 17 +1 wk for each year.

Just seen a site which has it down for 11 wks for a 17yo. Surely that can't be right?!?!

Cheers.

 

[MrB]

17 - 11 weeks
18 - 12 weeks
19 - 13/14 weeks
20 - 15/16 weeks

 

[Hong Kong Blue]

Keep training him. He is only 20. I'm training most of my players up until the age of 22. A quality batsman with good secondaries is that much more valuable than a superb - just take a look at the transfer list there are virtually no quality-quality players on it.

 

[mcrabb]

Was after some advice myself. I now have 4 potential all-rounders that could be trained, but I realistically only have space to train 2 of them.

Satyajit Abdul kadir - 18 yo, BT Rating=7,837 (Wages £1,098 p/w)
LH Batsman, LH Spin Bowler, superb batting form, superb bowling form, sublime
A defensive player with feeble leadership skills and worthless experience.
Stamina: woeful Wicket Keeping: worthless
Batting: respectable Concentration: abysmal
Bowling: mediocre Consistency: mediocre
Fielding: competent
5 weeks batting net

Brendan Edge - 18 yo, BT Rating=4,842 (Wages £821 p/w)
LH Batsman, LH Spin Bowler, superb batting form, superb bowling form, sublime
A steady player with mediocre leadership skills and abysmal experience.
Stamina: feeble Wicket Keeping: worthless
Batting: competent Concentration: worthless
Bowling: respectable Consistency: abysmal
Fielding: worthless
Just popped in Bowling (single bowling net)

Grady Ellison - 17 yo, BT Rating=4,952 (Wages £533 p/w)
RH Batsman, RF Bowler, mediocre batting form, respectable bowling form, fresh
A destructive player with mediocre leadership skills and abysmal experience.
Stamina: competent Wicket Keeping: worthless
Batting: mediocre Concentration: respectable
Bowling: mediocre Consistency: worthless
Fielding: worthless
This weeks YP so no training yet.

Jayashekhar Karthikeyan - 18 yo, BT Rating=5,891 (Wages £821 p/w)
RH Batsman, RH Spin Bowler, superb batting form, strong bowling form, sublime
A defensive player with abysmal leadership skills and worthless experience.
Stamina: mediocre Wicket Keeping: abysmal
Batting: competent Concentration: worthless
Bowling: competent Consistency: mediocre
Fielding: woeful
1 week bowling net + 1 week batting net

Question is who should I keep and who should I sell. Thinking of selling Grady as he's probably the worst one. Satyajit is a reasonable batsman (especially with his good fielding) and I'm happy to just train him in batting. So the big decision is between Jayeshar and Brendan.

 

[Hong Kong Blue]

How many 'spare' nets do you have to share between your all-rounders?

I'd probably sell Brendan Edge anyway. Reasons being (1) he's just popped so you won't have wasted nets training him to date and (2) his secondaries are very poor.

 

[Davros]

how long dies stamina training take mr b with 1 net (ages 17-22)

Cheers

 

[MrB]

5/6 weeks.

Crabby - I would sell Abdul Kadir. I wouldn't start training bowling at mediocre on a 17yo let alone an 18yo, he'll take far too long to be first team quality. Karthiyekan looks the only trainable prospect there.

 

[The General]

Ellison looks okay. Destructive player so could do a great job, esp if the 20/20's ever appear. Fact he is 17 helps and i'd stick 2 batting on him, a fitness and perhaps a fielding.

 

[Hong Kong Blue]

I can't remember how training was altered primary wise, but two of my better players were trained up from mediocre.

Griffiths was a 17yo mediocre-mediocre (I think he was my first ever pull). I stopped training him about a season ago but aged 22 he's a superb+14 batting, sensational(?) concentration.

Ramsden, my premier all-rounder was a 17yo mediocre bowling, feeble batter when I bought him mid-season for about £30,000. He's now aged 21 and is something like a superb-quality bowler with proficient-quality batting.

It is possible to train players up from mediocre, but it is very much a long term game and only really a viable option if they are multiskilled/with secondaries that don't require training.

A 17yo high mediocre with mediocre concentration should hit respectable at the end of the season. By the end of the next season they'll be proficient+4, by the end of the following season (age 19) they will be strong+7 and probably in your team. End of season aged 20 they'll be something like superb+8, end of the following season quality+11 and by the time they are mid-22 you can stop training them and they'll be remarkable-remarkable. This is all on just one net.

However, why start at mediocre when you can pick up a competent? The key thing is though getting someone with good secondaries (stamina, concentration, consistency), as this negates the need to waste a net training secondaries. A respectable-woeful may sound tempting as would hit remarkable batting a season earlier, saving you a whole season of nets, but to get a remarkable-remarkable would require a fielding net for about 4 seasons. Similarly you can train about 3 levels of stamina a season. This means its far better to go for someone one level of primary lower if they have 3 levels of stamina higher.

 

[mcrabb]

Only really have 3 spare nets in total so have put Ellison up for sale. Rather annoying I didn't put ITS on bowling as he came out with mediocre (with 0 ITS). Always the way though.

Think I'll also sell Edge. Will keep Abdul Kadir and train batting and Karthikeyan with perhaps 2 nets (1 batting and 1 bowling)

 

[BILLERICAY BLUE]

How long does it take to train scondaries on just 1 Primary net?

 

[MrB]

17/18 - 14 weeks
19/20 - 13 weeks

That's what I've found so far.

 

[BILLERICAY BLUE]

Quote[/b] (mcrabb @ Jan. 16 2007,11:58)]Grady Ellison - 17 yo, BT Rating=4,952  (Wages £533 p/w)
RH Batsman, RF Bowler, mediocre batting form, respectable bowling form, fresh
A destructive player with mediocre leadership skills and abysmal experience.
Stamina: competent Wicket Keeping: worthless
Batting: mediocre Concentration: respectable
Bowling: mediocre Consistency: worthless
Fielding: worthless

If you give Ellison 1 Batting, 1 Bowling and 1 fielding for the next 2 seasons, he will end up something like

Stamina: competent Wicket Keeping: worthless
Batting: proficient Concentration: quality/remarkable
Bowling: proficient Consistency: mediocre/competent
Fielding: competent

A half decent all-rounder for Level V

 

[BILLERICAY BLUE]

Quote[/b] (MrB @ Jan. 16 2007,13:56)]17/18 - 14 weeks
19/20 - 13 weeks

That's what I've found so far.

Cheers B

 

[mcrabb]

Quote[/b] (BILLERICAY BLUE @ Jan. 16 2007,13:58)]

Quote[/b] (mcrabb @ Jan. 16 2007,11:58)]Grady Ellison - 17 yo, BT Rating=4,952  (Wages £533 p/w)
RH Batsman, RF Bowler, mediocre batting form, respectable bowling form, fresh
A destructive player with mediocre leadership skills and abysmal experience.
Stamina: competent Wicket Keeping: worthless
Batting: mediocre Concentration: respectable
Bowling: mediocre Consistency: worthless
Fielding: worthless

If you give Ellison 1 Batting, 1 Bowling and 1 fielding for the next 2 seasons, he will end up something like

Stamina: competent Wicket Keeping: worthless
Batting: proficient Concentration: quality/remarkable
Bowling: proficient Consistency: mediocre/competent
Fielding: competent

A half decent all-rounder for Level V

I'm in div IV so I'm not sure if they'd be as useful. Also, I really only want to give a maximum of 2 nets for any single player. He's listed now so I guess I'll see how much I get for him...

 

[MrB]

Ok, having rejigged my training program about 20 times I’m now at a loss what to do. The more I think about it the more I agree with HKB *shudder* and you’re really going to need your players to be remarkable if they are going to be useful in any division. With that in mind I’ve decided to continue training some of my older players, problem is I can’t decide which ones to go with:

Batsmen:
Curtis (20) – Quality(+3)/Respectable(+1)
Sajjad (20) – Superb(+6)/Respectable(+4)
Botham (20) – Superb(+5)/Competent(+4)
Askew (20) – Proficient(+14)/Exceptional(+8)
Barat (17) – Respectable/Mediocre
Cunningham (17) – Respectable/Mediocre

Bowlers:
Sutherland (20) – Wonderful(+7)/Proficient(+10)
Sajjad (20) – Superb(+13)/Superb
Mushtaq (19) – Superb(+3)/Respectable(+10)
Botham (20) – Proficient(+6)/Respectable(+3)

WK:
Askew (20) – Quality

So that’s 11 primaries battling for 10 nets if I don’t train any fielding or stamina. I think I can live with leaving Askew at Quality WK as his concentration is so high. Would you (Matt in particular) use the ten nets to train each players primary with one net each? Or are there any that you’d leave at next pop (ie Sajjad or Askew who will pop this week or next or Curtis who’s only just popped). I could also sell one of the new guys when they pop to proficient which should be in the next week or two.

Another option is to take the hit on Botham and sell him mid trained. His bowling will never be good enough and I could use the proceeds to get myself a fully trained all rounder freeing up two nets.

Any thoughts?

 

[The General]

Yeah i wish i had as much options as you do!!

 

[Hong Kong Blue]

What is everyone's stamina?

Ideally Botham's stats would be the other way round. I value bowling over batting for my all-rounders, but I think I probably would stick with him, with a view to him being the 5th bowler and training him up to superb or maybe even quality bowling. If I was to train him I'd probably stick a fielding net on him as if his primaries are going to end a little on the low side then I'd want to have high secondaries. Plus as you are training him in both batting and bowling you are getting extra value.

Are Barat and Cunningham youth pulls or new signings? If they are youth pulls I'd be tempted to sell one of them to get that extra fielding net.

I'm undecided as to whether you should continue to train Askew or not. What number will he bat? If he's only going to be a no.7 or no.8 its probably not worth keep training him. That would free up another fielding net to alternate (to lessen the fitness hit of the extra training) between Curtis and Sutherland.

As for when to stop training, Sajjad's batting looks like a good candidate to stop training at the next pop, and just continue his bowling. You can then use that net for stamina/fielding as needed for the rest of the season and get a week 1 trainee next season.