The Ideal 92 - League One Southend

[South Bank Hank]

Interesting X post this morning from The92Bible on “a researched ‘ideal 92’ piece. Every club has a ranking for its trophy haul, average league position and average home attendance, creating an overall score."

Premier League



Championship



League One



League Two



Reflects where I’ve always seen us and shows how we can progress. Certainly shines a light on the current position.

 

[South Bank Hank]

Here’s the link and methodology.

The True 92: The biggest football clubs in England ranked

Every football fan has thought about, every football fan has debated it, and at some point, an unwitting fan of every single team has…

chrisrwhiting.medium.com

 

[Rattus Norvegicus]

League 1 - 3rd Division is that?

Surprised that Wigan are not in the division below. And Luton - Division 2?

Interesting to see some of the teams in the 1st & 2nd Divisions - some of them there from their history that was quite a long time ago that makes me wonder how far back in time the "analysis" was for.

For example, was West Brom's F.A. Cup wins in 1898 & 1892 a significant factor in the club's ranking 130 years later?

 

[South Bank Hank]

League 1 - 3rd Division is that?

Surprised that Wigan are not in the division below. And Luton - Division 2?

Interesting to see some of the teams in the 1st & 2nd Divisions - some of them there from their history that was quite a long time ago that makes me wonder how far back in time the "analysis" was for.

For example, was West Brom's F.A. Cup wins in 1898 & 1892 a significant factor in the club's ranking 130 years later?

Why is the "analysis" in inverted commas? The compiler explains his methodology and the datapoints in the link - including detailed "football stats since the inception of the organised English game". He also calls out the question of recency bias.

It's obviously a challenging exercise due to the impossibility of weighing history against recency in a manner that suits every person's perspective, and it's clearly there to be shot at. But it's an interesting viewpoint anyway from a Southend United perspective.

Is "lower mid third division" where we naturally sit? Is that, in the short term, our benchmark for getting back to where we belong? And once we're there, with investment in the team and the stadium, are we able to start shooting higher?

That's why I posted.

 

[Rattus Norvegicus]

There was a cross-over of messages. I was typing (and wondering how the list had been compiled) . I then posted to find that you (South Bank Hank) had posted regarding the methodology.

The current position with the club makes it rather difficult to set a benchmark .........
but for the sake of discussion .............

............ for me, I thought the arrival of a new ground & increased capacity/attendances would see Southend United in a similar situation to that seen by Rotherham lately - going between Division 3 & Division 2 as fortunes fluctuate.

Staying at Roots Hall & with possible limited income developments may be a restricting factor perhaps.

 

[South Bank Hank]

There was a cross-over of messages. I was typing (and wondering how the list had been compiled) . I then posted to find that you (South Bank Hank) had posted regarding the methodology.

Fair indeed, and my reply wasn’t intended to be so salty!

Although, I’m shocked “some geezer off of Twitter” didn’t carry the required levels of credibility.

 

[Firestorm]

Is "lower mid third division" where we naturally sit? Is that, in the short term, our benchmark for getting back to where we belong? And once we're there, with investment in the team and the stadium, are we able to start shooting higher?

That's why I posted.

Given that in 103 years of league football , we have only been out of Tiers 3 & 4 for less than 15% of that time (50 odd years of which there was only 3 tiers (albeit 48 clubs in Div 3 - regionalised ) I would say that its about right

 

[Suffolk Shrimper In Dorset]

So, we are the biggest current non league club. Not a stat to be that proud of really.

 

[Shrimp and two veg]

Thats how ive always seen us. A bad season is spent in L2. A good season is going for playoffs in L1. A dream season is in the Championship.
This is absolutely desperate times right now, of course.

 

[The Original Tribal Chief]

Not surprised to see the perennial whining 'big club' Sunderland in the Premier. I lived with a Sunderland fan while I was at college and while he was a great lad, it was a ****ing nightmare when we played them. All the 'mickey mouse club' bull**** you get from such fans gets on my tits. Winning the league in the 19th century and having a big ground doesn't mean you're entitled to anything. On a smaller scale, we are learning that.

 

[NZamba Legend]

I think these new leagues are much fairer actually and I support them 100%. In fact I’d like to see this structure being implemented in August for the start of the new season. Some might say it would be unfair to demote Brighton two divisions— not me I hasten to add —but to be honest, if these rankings took LDV vans matches into consideration our dominance in that competition over two decades would probably see us placed high up in the championship. But I’m willing to compromise on this occasion. If you’re reading this Anna Firth could you write an email or letter please to make this happen and restore to us to L1, thanks.

 

[ColinMorrisWalksOnWater]

Not surprised to see the perennial whining 'big club' Sunderland in the Premier. I lived with a Sunderland fan while I was at college and while he was a great lad, it was a ****ing nightmare when we played them. All the 'mickey mouse club' bull**** you get from such fans gets on my tits. Winning the league in the 19th century and having a big ground doesn't mean you're entitled to anything. On a smaller scale, we are learning that.

Think yourself lucky it wasn't a Leeds fan! Did you know they were European champions?

No? (Nor does anyone else outside of Leeds).

 

[Rattus Norvegicus]

Bury is in there somewhere aren't they? They won the F.A. Cup one year ........ zzzzzzzzzzz

If, as NZamba Legend suggests, the new leagues are implemented I suspect that club (or the current version) would get the most benefit. As it is, Darlington would go from Conference North back into Division 4 - alongside Carlisle. Thought Carlisle would be in Division 3 rather than Leyton Orient.

 

[rigsby]

Why is the "analysis" in inverted commas? The compiler explains his methodology and the datapoints in the link - including detailed "football stats since the inception of the organised English game". He also calls out the question of recency bias.

It's obviously a challenging exercise due to the impossibility of weighing history against recency in a manner that suits every person's perspective, and it's clearly there to be shot at. But it's an interesting viewpoint anyway from a Southend United perspective.

Is "lower mid third division" where we naturally sit? Is that, in the short term, our benchmark for getting back to where we belong? And once we're there, with investment in the team and the stadium, are we able to start shooting higher?

That's why I posted.

I have seen a few 'historic' league tables. Some are 60years of results. Some more and even average points whilst playing league football so covers 130+ teams.

Just few seasons ago we was about 65th, sometimes a few places lower. After the last 4 seasons I guess we may be bottom of L1 or top of L2......Looking at our ups and downs in the leagues that's about right.

 

[flangejackrabbit]

Would prob swap Palace for West Brom. Watford and Bournemouth fans will be seething.

 

[Realist]

Love posts like this. Going to spend some time going over all of this.

 

[Up the Shrimpers]

Bury is in there somewhere aren't they? They won the F.A. Cup one year ........ zzzzzzzzzzz

Twice

 

[flangejackrabbit]

Is "lower mid third division" where we naturally sit? Is that, in the short term, our benchmark for getting back to where we belong? And once we're there, with investment in the team and the stadium, are we able to start shooting higher?

I would say yes, yes, and let's worry about getting sustainably consolidated there before we think about anything more.

 

[Tommy2holes]

Bury is in there somewhere aren't they? They won the F.A. Cup one year ........ zzzzzzzzzzz

If, as NZamba Legend suggests, the new leagues are implemented I suspect that club (or the current version) would get the most benefit. As it is, Darlington would go from Conference North back into Division 4 - alongside Carlisle. Thought Carlisle would be in Division 3 rather than Leyton Orient.

Bury also played top flight football and had considerable seasons in what's now the championship.

It's a historic database. If it wasn't we wouldn't get a mention on current predicament

 

[rigsby]

Bury also played top flight football and had considerable seasons in what's now the championship.

It's a historic database. If it wasn't we wouldn't get a mention on current predicament

Not sure if its happened since but Bury where the first club to score 1000 goals in each of the 4 divisions.