Team Rebuilding

[The Eternal Optimist]

Let us assume that Freddy goes in January for £2 million plus. Why should we blow the cash to buy a proven scorer or other players for other areas. We could blood some of our youngsters and use Cole, Lawson, Bradbury and Hooper more often. If we could secure McCormack or a similar battling midfilder and play around with home (4-4-2 or 4-3-3) and away (4-5-1 or 5-4-1) formations we may stay up or if we go down so what! The true southend supporters don't care too much about the results (or do they?) as long as the lads battle. If we stayed up with this squad then our current fringe players would have experience at the championship level which could be built on next season. If we go down, these players would make a good League 1 team.

Does anyone else feel that Freddy's loss or relegation is the end of the road?

 

[MK Shrimper]

Of course not. If we go down, which looks more than likely, we can come back up with or without Freddy.

5 Year Plan.... if we struggle in League 1, then it's time to panic!

 

[Barry's Boss]

Quote[/b] (The Eternal Optimist @ Nov. 29 2006,22:01)]Let us assume that Freddy goes in January for £2 million plus. Why should we blow the cash to buy a proven scorer or other players for other areas.

I am not sure that I would trust Tilly to spend this wisely in any event. We need players who are of CCC quality now i.e. Agoogo, Holt - not Harold and Paynter - if they are our strike force if Freddy goes, then god help us..........

 

[callan]

End of the road certainly not....but do the club or indeed any of the supporters really want to go back down to try and get promoted back up again?
I would suggest that true supporters will support the team whatever league they are in...but if we go down a division attendances will certainly fall and the revenue will follow suit, for a club looking to secure a new stadium twice the size of the one they are currently in, I would say that results are more than important as that is the only way we will attract new supporters.
All businesses need investment and that includes SUFC, if we sell our most valuble commodity ie Eastwood then suitable replacements must be sought which in my opinion should be one striker another midfielder and one more central defender.
Freddy will go for whatever sum Uncle Ron deems fit (wont be 5 million, but would guess half that), this should be more than enough to secure 3 players and bolster the squad...dont forget you are advocating playing in league 1 without Goater / Fred who played a huge part in our success last year.
2.5 million would give us enough to buy the likes of Samba (Gillingham) / Parker (blackpool) / Trundle and or Robinson (swansea).
If we are to go down then lets go down fighting and in the knowledge that we tried.
Im tired of watching us rollover every week to opposition that we should have beaten (hull / preston / ipswich/ plymouth).

 

[MilkeySUFC]

If we get 2.5M for Freddy, then after the sell-on clause pay-out that's about 2M in the bank - and I'd expect Ron would not want to part with more than 1M on new players. But that should be enough to secure McCormack and two other Champ quaility signings (possibly Riera but will reserve judgement until I actually see him perform).

 

[Jam_Man]

Quote[/b] (callan @ Nov. 29 2006,23:14)]2.5 million would give us enough to buy the likes of Samba (Gillingham) / Parker (blackpool) / Trundle and or Robinson (swansea).

The issue we will have is once we are back in league one we will again have trouble attracting any of those players.

Robinson wouldnt want to move from Swansea to us surely ?

The one huge factor on future successes is the stadium, irrespective of what league we are in.

If the stadium gets agreed then should we get relegated we will soon have a great stadium to attract new players which could help in us challenging to get back to the Championship.

My main worry is that the council see us ready to drop back down and make the decision the project is too ambitious for us.

Without the stadium we would be sitting in league one, with a poor wage budget and would struggle to put together any sort of challenge in a hurry.

 

[Jam_Man]

Quote[/b] (Barry's Boss @ Nov. 29 2006,22:21)][
I am not sure that I would trust Tilly to spend this wisely in any event. We need players who are of CCC quality now i.e. Agoogo, Holt - not Harold and Paynter - if they are our strike force if Freddy goes, then god help us..........

I wouldnt trust you to spend it either

Agogo - 2 goals in 16 league games

Hardly of CCC quality....

 

[Barry's Boss]

Quote[/b] (Jam_Man @ Nov. 30 2006,10:57)]I wouldnt trust you to spend it either

Agogo -  2 goals in 16 league games

Hardly of CCC quality....

hmmmmm, made me smile, but then again I'm not being paid to make the wrong decisions.

It did prompt me to look at the stats section within the Football League web-site.

This is what it gives for our strikers

Eastwood shots on target 35 off target 38
Harrold shots on target 5 off target 10 (that's in 9 starts and 3 subs!!)
Paynter shots on target 5 off target 4 (that's in 5 starts and 4 subs)


Highlights a bit of a problem for me - still I suppose if you pay peanuts.........

Also heard today that apparently Tresor Kandol was signing on loan for us, up until about 5.00pm on deadline day until Leeds came in.

Realise that I don't know the full facts, but why on why do we always seem to leave it to the last minute!!!!!!!!!!!!! --McLeod anybod?

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[shrimper_sam]

If i was to be honest - There is no team spirit there what so ever and anyone who thinks there is, is looking through rose tinted glasses. Why this is i don't know, but its costing us this season

 

[Shrimper2thecore]

My worry would be how many would we lose if we went down?

Maher?
Flahavan?
Gower?
Hammell?
Francis?

 

[Hooly]

Quote[/b] (MilkeySUFC @ Nov. 30 2006,10:06)]If we get 2.5M for Freddy, then after the sell-on clause pay-out that's about 2M in the bank - and I'd expect Ron would not want to part with more than 1M on new players. But that should be enough to secure McCormack and two other Champ quaility signings (possibly Riera but will reserve judgement until I actually see him perform).

Erm? I fail to see the logic there.

Bearing in mind that we only have 1 striker worth his place (Fredy) and a hopeless lack of goals, you would propose to replace the 1 striker, with possibly 2 midfielders (Macca & Riera) and 1 other? A centre half perchance?

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Quote[/b] (Shrimper2thecore @ Nov. 30 2006,23:00)]My worry would be how many would we lose if we went down?

Maher?
Flahavan?
Gower?
Hammell?
Francis?

Out of those I'd only be seriously sorry to see Maher and Flavs go - and I sincerely believe that those are the two least likely to leave if we were relegated.

 

[MilkeySUFC]

Quote[/b] (Hooly @ Dec. 01 2006,10:26)]

Quote[/b] (MilkeySUFC @ Nov. 30 2006,10:06)]If we get 2.5M for Freddy, then after the sell-on clause pay-out that's about 2M in the bank - and I'd expect Ron would not want to part with more than 1M on new players. But that should be enough to secure McCormack and two other Champ quaility signings (possibly Riera but will reserve judgement until I actually see him perform).

Erm?  I fail to see the logic there.  

Bearing in mind that we only have 1 striker worth his place (Fredy) and a hopeless lack of goals, you would propose to replace the 1 striker, with possibly 2 midfielders (Macca & Riera) and 1 other?  A centre half perchance?  

Hell, no!

I didn't presume to propose any new signings, just that with an approx 1M to spend, how many could we attract? McCormack I would not expect to be more than a 100k, so leaving enough for 2 quality signings, potentially one being Riera as we have him on loan.

(The other would HAVE to be a striker, IMHO, but what do I know? :o) )

 

[Hooly]

Quote[/b] (MilkeySUFC @ Dec. 01 2006,12:59)](The other would HAVE to be a striker, IMHO, but what do I know? :o) )

Wasn't having a go

It's just that I couldn't see the point of selling Fredy (which I think will happen) and only replacing him with 1 striker, which would happen if you had Macca & Riera in your 3.

The other players we've got up front just aren't effective at this level, so IMO you'd have to try & find 2 strikers to replace him. Personally I don't think that'll happen & we certainly won't find the quality we want in January, due to where our league position will be by then.

 

[stickyboy]

Quote[/b] (Hooly @ Dec. 01 2006,13:18)]The other players we've got up front just aren't effective at this level, so IMO you'd have to try & find 2 strikers to replace him.  Personally I don't think that'll happen & we certainly won't find the quality we want in January, due to where our league position will be by then.  

Think your right we need a decent striker now so if Freddie goes cant see us getting 2 decent strikers that we need. We couldnt attract any good players when he had just got promoted as champions so what chance now when we are well adrift.

 

[canveyshrimper]

Quote[/b] (Spaceman Spiff @ Dec. 01 2006,10:57)]

Quote[/b] (Shrimper2thecore @ Nov. 30 2006,23:00)]My worry would be how many would we lose if we went down?

Maher?
Flahavan?
Gower?
Hammell?
Francis?

Out of those I'd only be seriously sorry to see Maher and Flavs go - and I sincerely believe that those are the two least likely to leave if we were relegated.

Agree with that. Plus with Maher he has the added incentive of a Testimonial game to come.

 

[Firestorm]

I presume we are talking about adding to the squad.........

Freddy Goes for 2.5M , with 1i/2 years on his contract at , say , 100k PA that gives us 2.65M to play with. Assuming Gray's sell on was 20 % of fee we are left with 2.15M
If we were to buy players who would command fees of 400K plus , we can assume they are going to want 3k a week and a 3 year contract so thats 450K pa (+ insurance, empoyers NI etc that is up t0 600K - So Each player will cost us 1M
2 Players is all we will be able to afford if we sell Freddy and as one of them will be a replacement I can't see th financial sense of selling Fred to fund a rebuilding suited to keep us in this division.