Stop blaming Prior for our loss

[Alex]

obviously you need to defend well to win games as well as score but the simple fact is; we lost today because we could not hit a barn door fom 6 yards. now im not having a go at the forwards here becuase i worship eastwood and co but today we couldnt score. francis and hammell were poor today, losing the ball many times when we were going forward. royfox moans about why wasnt prior replaced at half time. well we already subbed our keeper and with only 2 subs left for the whole of the 2nd half and knowing we would have to score atleast twice to get something out of the game you just dont do it. whilst not being spectacular Prior has done a fairly good job this season so far. he may not have the legs anymore, but his experience is invaluable. he has played at the highest level at big clubs and has won promotion with many of them. he has won promotion with southend 3 times. if he was no good then tilly would drop him, simple as that.
give Prior some respect he deserves and stop slagging him off, he should not be a target for the boo boys, get behind him.

 

[royfox]

Dear Alex,

'Obviously you need to defend well to win games'. Obviously then, as we have let in five goals in two games we are not defending well. Which means an examination of why we are conceding goals - even with a keeper of Daryl's quality. Upon examination, you will find within the back four a player who is frankly finished. Namely Prior: what that means for the other three players is that they are having to split their concentration to cover as a three man back four. We are not solid at the back, and therefore we are able to be ripped apart by teams with players of the quality of Dexter Blackstock. I like to think I offer constructive criticism, but must admit was tempted to boo on hearing the same team read out for QPR.

 

[Angell Delight]

Quote[/b] (Alex @ Aug. 12 2006,22:24)]he may not have the legs anymore, but his experience is invaluable.

Yes that experience counted for an awful lot when Blackstock and A.N.Other were tearing towards goal 2-on-1 with Barrett TIME AND TIME AGAIN in that 2nd half

Tilly's the equal of Webb in terms of what he's achieved here in a very short space of time and I have HUGE respect for him but if Spinner plays next week it really does send the wrong message to Peter Clarke in particular and without question the rest of the side and the fans. I'm gonna be blunt - that SHAMBLES at the back today will lead to one thing only in this league and thats relegation, regardless of Freddy's future. Wake up guys, QPR are no great shakes in this division and if we defend like that against 90% of the sides in the CCC we're going to get hammered

 

[StainesShrimper]

FFS I'm gettin a bit ****ed off with what I'm reading on here. It is THREE games into the season and there's been so many negative comments about players this evening I've had to make sure that it is 2006- not 2003 and Steve TILSON is manager- not Steve WIGNALL.

I know people are dissapointed that we have lost our past two games and that players have played poorly, BUT it is three games in and Tilly will change things when he feels it is the right time (which probably WILL be on Saturday), but please can we stop with the negativity. As someone has said in another post, we have started poorly in our past two seasons and look where we've finished!

So heads up lets enjoy our time in the Championship because we know we are more than capable of staying up. Lets see how many negative comments we'll have on Saturday after we've thrashed Sunderland 3-0

 

[Angell Delight]

I don't know about anyone else but in terms of Spinner (who I have a lot of respect for) I'm not basing my judgement above on this one game - if it was on one bad performance only I wouldn't have posted the above (far from it, everyone's entitled to a bad game now and again).

Incidentally I think we'll do pretty well this season - but Prior MUST be dropped next weekend.

 

[Alex]

Quote[/b] (royfox @ Aug. 12 2006,22:36)]Dear Alex,

'Obviously you need to defend well to win games'. Obviously then, as we have let in five goals in two games we are not defending well. Which means an examination of why we are conceding goals - even with a keeper of Daryl's quality. Upon examination, you will find within the back four a player who is frankly finished. Namely Prior: what that means for the other three players is that they are having to split their concentration to cover as a three man back four. We are not solid at the back, and therefore we are able to be ripped apart by teams with players of the quality of Dexter Blackstock. I like to think I offer constructive criticism, but must admit was tempted to boo on hearing the same team read out for QPR.

i was pointing out that you need to score goals as well as defend well to win games. dont just blame one player for us losing, and many are blaming prior, im just sticking up for him. i was watching a a football programme ( i think it was football league) and steve clarriage said its not the 1 defender that isnt defending propaly at conceeding a goal, its generally the whole back four.

Royfox, you say prior was at fault for not organising the wall for the freekick they scored. thats bollox. it was a well struck free kick and its the keepers job to sort out the wall.

you also say it was priors fault for the 2nd goal. well the striker that illegally beat flavs to the ball to head it, his effort was going wide but qpr's nick ward got in the box to divert it in. who the f*ck followed him in to prevent it from going in? the rest of the defence was at fault for not picking his run up. like clarriage said its the whole of the defence fault not just 1 individual.

 

[Angell Delight]

Quote[/b] (Alex @ Aug. 12 2006,23:08)]

Quote[/b] (royfox @ Aug. 12 2006,22:36)]Dear Alex,

'Obviously you need to defend well to win games'. Obviously then, as we have let in five goals in two games we are not defending well. Which means an examination of why we are conceding goals - even with a keeper of Daryl's quality. Upon examination, you will find within the back four a player who is frankly finished. Namely Prior: what that means for the other three players is that they are having to split their concentration to cover as a three man back four. We are not solid at the back, and therefore we are able to be ripped apart by teams with players of the quality of Dexter Blackstock. I like to think I offer constructive criticism, but must admit was tempted to boo on hearing the same team read out for QPR.

i was pointing out that you need to score goals as well as defend well to win games. dont just blame one player for us losing, and many are blaming prior, im just sticking up for him. i was watching a a football programme ( i think it was football league) and steve clarriage said its not the 1 defender that isnt defending propaly at conceeding a goal, its generally the whole back four.

Royfox, you say prior was at fault for not organising the wall for the freekick they scored. thats bollox. it was a well struck free kick and its the keepers job to sort out the wall.

you also say it was priors fault for the 2nd goal. well the striker that illegally beat flavs to the ball to head it, his effort was going wide but qpr's nick ward got in the box to divert it in. who the f*ck followed him in to prevent it from going in? the rest of the defence was at fault for not picking his run up. like clarriage said its the whole of the defence fault not just 1 individual.

The first goal was Gutts fault for giving the free-kick away but you can't really blame a player for that, not really a mistake as such (however stupid the challenge was).

The 2nd goal I'd have to disagree, for me the mistake seemed to come from the centre and anything Francis could have done to challenge Nygaard would have only been covering for a mistake in the centre.

You (and Claridge) say that when a sloppy goal is conceded it is generally the fault of the whole back 4 - I couldn't disagree more strongly on this one. You could have a world-class LB like Ashley Cole and stick him in our side, if the mistake comes from the right-back position and results in a ball across the box which is finished by the forward in the 6 yard box at the near post do you say Cole is responsible from the left-side? What are defenders supposed to be Superman??!!!!! Yes at times there are 2, 3 or maybe 4 defenders that are at fault for conceding thanks to sloppiness defensively but what you're saying above is frankly ridiculous. No offence intended but........

 

[MC BLUES]

Quote[/b] (Alex @ Aug. 12 2006,23:08)]

Quote[/b] (royfox @ Aug. 12 2006,22:36)]Dear Alex,

'Obviously you need to defend well to win games'. Obviously then, as we have let in five goals in two games we are not defending well. Which means an examination of why we are conceding goals - even with a keeper of Daryl's quality. Upon examination, you will find within the back four a player who is frankly finished. Namely Prior: what that means for the other three players is that they are having to split their concentration to cover as a three man back four. We are not solid at the back, and therefore we are able to be ripped apart by teams with players of the quality of Dexter Blackstock. I like to think I offer constructive criticism, but must admit was tempted to boo on hearing the same team read out for QPR.

i was pointing out that you need to score goals as well as defend well to win games. dont just blame one player for us losing, and many are blaming prior, im just sticking up for him. i was watching a a football programme ( i think it was football league) and steve clarriage said its not the 1 defender that isnt defending propaly at conceeding a goal, its generally the whole back four.

Royfox, you say prior was at fault for not organising the wall for the freekick they scored. thats bollox. it was a well struck free kick and its the keepers job to sort out the wall.

you also say it was priors fault for the 2nd goal. well the striker that illegally beat flavs to the ball to head it, his effort was going wide but qpr's nick ward got in the box to divert it in. who the f*ck followed him in to prevent it from going in? the rest of the defence was at fault for not picking his run up. like clarriage said its the whole of the defence fault not just 1 individual.

I agree with what you say that the defence have to work together as a unit, but as Roy Fox says if one member of that unit is a liability then the group will dysfunction. That is what happened against Palace and that is what happened today.

 

[Welly7]

Quote[/b] ]Upon examination, you will find within the back four a player who is frankly finished. Namely Prior: what that means for the other three players is that they are having to split their concentration to cover as a three man back four. We are not solid at the back, and therefore we are able to be ripped apart by teams with players of the quality of Dexter Blackstock. I like to think I offer constructive criticism, but must admit was tempted to boo on hearing the same team read out for QPR.

To suggest that Francis, Barrett and Hammell are having to cover Spinner so much so that they aren't concentrating fully on their own jobs is ridiculous. Your comments do not offer constructive criticism. It seems more a case of you making Prior a scapegoat as you go completely overboard in your reactions. Personally, I would opt for Clarke and Barrett in defence against Sunderland, but I strongly disagree with you that Prior's performances have been the reason we have lost the last two games!

 

[royfox]

Quote[/b] (Alex @ Aug. 12 2006,23:08)]

Quote[/b] (royfox @ Aug. 12 2006,22:36)]Dear Alex,

'Obviously you need to defend well to win games'. Obviously then, as we have let in five goals in two games we are not defending well. Which means an examination of why we are conceding goals - even with a keeper of Daryl's quality. Upon examination, you will find within the back four a player who is frankly finished. Namely Prior: what that means for the other three players is that they are having to split their concentration to cover as a three man back four. We are not solid at the back, and therefore we are able to be ripped apart by teams with players of the quality of Dexter Blackstock. I like to think I offer constructive criticism, but must admit was tempted to boo on hearing the same team read out for QPR.

i was pointing out that you need to score goals as well as defend well to win games. dont just blame one player for us losing, and many are blaming prior, im just sticking up for him. i was watching a a football programme ( i think it was football league) and steve clarriage said its not the 1 defender that isnt defending propaly at conceeding a goal, its generally the whole back four.

Royfox, you say prior was at fault for not organising the wall for the freekick they scored. thats bollox. it was a well struck free kick and its the keepers job to sort out the wall.

you also say it was priors fault for the 2nd goal. well the striker that illegally beat flavs to the ball to head it, his effort was going wide but qpr's nick ward got in the box to divert it in. who the f*ck followed him in to prevent it from going in? the rest of the defence was at fault for not picking his run up. like clarriage said its the whole of the defence fault not just 1 individual.

First priority of a succesful team is do not concede a goal. Especially away from home. Unfortunately, in the past two games, Freddy would have had to score four and three to win us the match. Asking a lot don't you think?

 

[Alex]

Quote[/b] (royfox @ Aug. 13 2006,06:13)]

Quote[/b] (Alex @ Aug. 12 2006,23:08)]

Quote[/b] (royfox @ Aug. 12 2006,22:36)]Dear Alex,

'Obviously you need to defend well to win games'. Obviously then, as we have let in five goals in two games we are not defending well. Which means an examination of why we are conceding goals - even with a keeper of Daryl's quality. Upon examination, you will find within the back four a player who is frankly finished. Namely Prior: what that means for the other three players is that they are having to split their concentration to cover as a three man back four. We are not solid at the back, and therefore we are able to be ripped apart by teams with players of the quality of Dexter Blackstock. I like to think I offer constructive criticism, but must admit was tempted to boo on hearing the same team read out for QPR.

i was pointing out that you need to score goals as well as defend well to win games. dont just blame one player for us losing, and many are blaming prior, im just sticking up for him. i was watching a a football programme ( i think it was football league) and steve clarriage said its not the 1 defender that isnt defending propaly at conceeding a goal, its generally the whole back four.

Royfox, you say prior was at fault for not organising the wall for the freekick they scored. thats bollox. it was a well struck free kick and its the keepers job to sort out the wall.

you also say it was priors fault for the 2nd goal. well the striker that illegally beat flavs to the ball to head it, his effort was going wide but qpr's nick ward got in the box to divert it in. who the f*ck followed him in to prevent it from going in? the rest of the defence was at fault for not picking his run up. like clarriage said its the whole of the defence fault not just 1 individual.

First priority of a succesful team is do not concede a goal. Especially away from home. Unfortunately, in the past two games, Freddy would have had to score four and three to win us the match. Asking a lot don't you think?

you really dont get it do you. i bloody well know you have to defend well to win games of which i have pointed out in my other posts but you have to score as well. if you dont score a goal in a match you cant win it. which my point is, yes ok you have to defend but we conceeded 2 goals at qpr which does happen but we failed to score. its not just the defence fault but the whole team. we had very poor efforts on goal yesterday. the strikers are to blame as much as the defence for our loss. also im not saying eastwood is expected to score all the goals but he does have a strike partner, that didnt score and was replaced by another that didnt score. and when your strikers are not scoring then the midfielders need to at least have a shot rather than trying to pass it in.

 

[shrimperian]

Its all getting a bit heated on here. The simple truth is that Spinner is a legend BUT has looked very shaky at this level. The better opposition has quickly spotted this and has exposed it time and again. Spinner deserves to be held in high esteem by Southend fans into his hard earned retirement. For that to happen, he certainly needs people to get behind him when he does play, but perhaps shouldnt play as much. I personally havent heard anyone booing him. If what is meant by that is people exclaiming thier exasperation as he come and fails to reach another header, that is simply an instant reaction and one that every player would expect if they made a **** up. It is certainly true what has also been said that we are only three games into the season and yeo of those away. However, we must not get cut adrift and for that to happen, we need to tighten up defensively. It is true that we need to score goals but if we could defend we would have won 1-0 at Palace and got a 0-0 at QPR

 

[fredheim_holm]

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