Southend - under or over achievers

[bluearmy1]

Interesting research from footballpools.com about the achievements of football clubs over last 16 years or so.

Southend rank 30th - Donny are top. Are Blues under or over achievers?

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[Firestorm]

In the last 16 years we have spent a fair time in the 2nd tier. In comaparison to our 100 year History I would say we have , on average, most certainly over achieved in the last 16 years

 

[Sussex Shrimper]

Overachieved, no question.

I saw my first Southend match 18 years ago tomorrow, and since then we've been in the second tier for over a third of the time - one hell of an achievement for what is traditionally a small, local club in an area with a significant proportion of ex-Londoners.

Trouble is, I think some people have lost sight of who we are as a result. To say that we should be in the Championship at this point in time is pushing it a bit IMO. That's not to say that we don't have a whole load to look forward to in the near future - something that's testament to the fact that the club is arguably being run better than ever before, to the credit of all involved.

 

[Reg Martin]

Interesting research from footballpools.com about the achievements of football clubs over last 16 years or so.

Southend rank 30th - Donny are top. Are Blues under or over achievers?

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Don't understand this - are they saying Donny have overachieved most in last 16 years or underachieved most? They spent 5 years out of the league in this period.

 

[haveaguiness]

for those that cant be bothered to read through the entire report this is what they said about us,

Southend United
There were no promotions to celebrate at Roots Hall between 1991 and 2004. There were, however, a couple of relegations.
At the end of the 1998-99 season, Southend were just six points away from dropping out of the league altogether, and between 1996 and 2004 they finished in the top half of the table only once.
But in recent seasons Southend have been transformed, and they can now be classed as over-achievers. Despite severe debts and employing six managers in seven years, they managed to achieve promotions in 2005 and 2006, and got over the disappointment of relegation in 2007 to reach the League One play-offs last term. Is this is a Premier League club in the making? We’d say No, but we’d have said the same thing about Hull City.

The only thing about that report that i don't quite get is the invest part. They say one section is based on:

• Changes in club ownership and associated investments
• Financial difficulties, including administration

Yet the top 5 teams in that list have all had major investment over the last few years.
Doncaster were taken over by a rich businessman if what i have heard is right. As were wigan and hull who have had major investment in the last few years. as for reading and portsmouth both were and still are owned by multi millionaires. I know a lot of this is about performance but to be honest if you are a fairly rich club you have a far greater chance of achieving stuff.

To be honest i think aldershot have been the biggest achievers since '92. Reformed that year 5 divisions below league football, and are now in the middle of league 1, bloody amazing!!!

I think 30th is a massive achievement for us though, to be fair though being the only team that have a 100% record against man united we should at least have been put above them in the table!

 

[HUTTON]

for those that cant be bothered to read through the entire report this is what they said about us,

Southend United
There were no promotions to celebrate at Roots Hall between 1991 and 2004. There were, however, a couple of relegations.
At the end of the 1998-99 season, Southend were just six points away from dropping out of the league altogether, and between 1996 and 2004 they finished in the top half of the table only once.
But in recent seasons Southend have been transformed, and they can now be classed as over-achievers. Despite severe debts and employing six managers in seven years, they managed to achieve promotions in 2005 and 2006, and got over the disappointment of relegation in 2007 to reach the League One play-offs last term. Is this is a Premier League club in the making? We’d say No, but we’d have said the same thing about Hull City.

The only thing about that report that i don't quite get is the invest part. They say one section is based on:

• Changes in club ownership and associated investments
• Financial difficulties, including administration

Yet the top 5 teams in that list have all had major investment over the last few years.
Doncaster were taken over by a rich businessman if what i have heard is right. As were wigan and hull who have had major investment in the last few years. as for reading and portsmouth both were and still are owned by multi millionaires. I know a lot of this is about performance but to be honest if you are a fairly rich club you have a far greater chance of achieving stuff.

To be honest i think aldershot have been the biggest achievers since '92. Reformed that year 5 divisions below league football, and are now in the middle of league 1, bloody amazing!!!

I think 30th is a massive achievement for us though, to be fair though being the only team that have a 100% record against man united we should at least have been put above them in the table!

League 2 you mean

 

[haveaguiness]

yeah thats wat i meant, woops. still pretty good though

 

[Shrimper2thecore]

We have overachieved big time, if this was narrowed to last 5 years I would put us in the top 10 easily!!

Only Arsenal and Chelsea/Liverpool played in a competitive match at the Mill Stad while it was used I think, plus our promotions and another playoff effort

 

[Jedi Shrimper]

We are a traditionally small club, getting to the Championship in the early 90's was a massive over acheivement (which is why we got in such bad debt, ie wages we didn't have the infrastructure to support). In the last few years I feel our stock has risen, before we were a 4th tier club, I now think with the chairman we have, plus on the pitch acheivements we are a 3rd tier club on merit, although maybe one that on size you would expect to be lower in the table. With a new stadium on the way, our stock could rise futher, if we can grow and maintain higher attendances then maybe that could make us a championship club.

 

[sufcintheprem]

We've overachieved but not by a huge amount. How Hull aren't top of that list I don't know.

It's not really about overachieving though in a typical fans' sense of the word. it's not related to the long term expectations of a team or the historic trophies that clubs tend to define expectations. From my reading of it, it's about measuring a team up at the start of each season and setting a points or success yardstick. This can then be used on a season by season level to assess which seasons were successful.

As I've mentioned a lot, based on handicaps and relegation/promotion odds, we've been successful every season Tilson has been in charge including the relegation season (but not by much).

 

[Jonny_Stokes]

We are a traditionally small club, getting to the Championship in the early 90's was a massive over acheivement (which is why we got in such bad debt, ie wages we didn't have the infrastructure to support). In the last few years I feel our stock has risen, before we were a 4th tier club, I now think with the chairman we have, plus on the pitch acheivements we are a 3rd tier club on merit, although maybe one that on size you would expect to be lower in the table. With a new stadium on the way, our stock could rise futher, if we can grow and maintain higher attendances then maybe that could make us a championship club.

Must run in the 'Jonnys', because that's what I was about to say...

 

[macima]

"At the end of the 1998-99 season, Southend were just six points away from dropping out of the league altogether, and between 1996 and 2004 they finished in the top half of the table only once."

I'd forgotten how bad we were during that period! Really puts the recent success into context, esp when people start asking for Tilly out.

Mark Mac

 

[BrettieAngell]

"At the end of the 1998-99 season, Southend were just six points away from dropping out of the league altogether, and between 1996 and 2004 they finished in the top half of the table only once."

I'd forgotten how bad we were during that period! Really puts the recent success into context, esp when people start asking for Tilly out.

Mark Mac

when Tilly took over we were in the bottom 2!

 

[graysblue]

having watched when the club were always fighting against re..election or when they came close to dropping into the coference.

under or over achieved

thank the stars sir steve has been at the helm.