Southend Legends that you don't rate

[C'mon you Blues]

Derrick Parker? How can you possibly include a player who's scored 4 in a game for Blues. Completely barmy.

 

[DTS]

Southall

Booty     Lapper          Scully        Che

             Whelan         Tinkler      Pepper

             Regis            Conlon       Drewe

Dont get me wrong liked Pat Scully and Mike Lapper but thought both are talked about with much higher regard than they should have been.

 

[C C Csiders]

Quote[/b] (C'mon you Blues @ Jan. 08 2007,11:44)]Derrick Parker? How can you possibly include a player who's scored 4 in a game for Blues. Completely barmy.

Why is that barmy? He had the first touch of a bull rhinoceros.

Name names.

 

[C'mon you Blues]

Quote[/b] (C C Csiders @ Jan. 08 2007,11:50)]

Quote[/b] (C'mon you Blues @ Jan. 08 2007,11:44)]Derrick Parker? How can you possibly include a player who's scored 4 in a game for Blues. Completely barmy.

Why is that barmy? He had the first touch of a bull rhinoceros.

Name names.

might as well include our all time best scorer Roy Hollis then that the Southend faithful apparently knicknamed Gormless Hollis

 

[Shrimper2thecore]

Che Wilson

Drewe Broughton

Tesfaye Bramble

 

[Hong Kong Blue]

Quote[/b] (fbm @ Jan. 08 2007,11:41)]

Quote[/b] (Hong Kong Blue @ Jan. 08 2007,11:30)]Flahavan - worshipped by the fans for standard saves he makes look difficult, but never criticised when he's at fault - eg palming the ball up in the air against Barnsley and then having made that mistake not taking the ball and their guy.
Andy Harris - I'm sure someone rated him, but it wasn't me. Couldn't even hoof straight.
Che Wilson - what is the point of a full-back who can't defend when someone runs at them? It wasn't as if he added anything going forward anyway! No left-foot, no composure, no pace although he jumps well for a small bloke. Wow.
Mark Warren - couldn't jump, couldn't run yet worshipped by tattoo fetishist presumably.
Keith Dublin - couldn't defend
Julian Hails - nice bloke I'm sure, but I want my right-wingers to do something more than flap their arms like a chicken.
CM?
CM?
LW?
Drewe Broughton - if commitment and a pair of wristbands is all you need to become a Southend United legend, then why didn't my parents ever buy me some wristbands?
CF?

Some vacancies there, i'll come up with some names later.

Phil Gridelet must fit in somewhere except that I can't recall anyone thinking he was THAT good (apart from one good season alongside Ronnie Whelan)

Grids certainly considered himself a legend.

He would be a cast-iron certainty for my XI who were legends but nobody ever realised.

His partnership with Ronnie Whelan was arguably the best midfield partnership I've seen for Southend. Grids had a fantastic engine on him. I'm sure people will make a great deal out of his ability to hit the South Upper from 6 yards out, but you have to get in that position to miss it, and we haven't had a midfielder get in the penalty box all season let alone the 6yard box.

As a ball-winner he did a great job for us, doing (appropriately)the donkeywork for two players as Ronnie Whelan was too fat/knackered/tipsy/injured to do any running.

I'll fully admit he was crap when Spud(?) told him to stop tackling as he was picking up too many cautions, and his subsequent re-invention as a midfield playmaker was far from a resounding success. However, as a ballwinner given licence to foul, I'd say he was the best i've seen in that role since Dave Martin got injured in 1991, up until we signed Benno. That season where he played alongside Ronnie Whelan was probably the closest we got to a top half finish during that period.

 

[Einstein]

Quote[/b] (C C Csiders @ Jan. 08 2007,11:29)]FS and Mick. I didn't say legends in my original post - I said players most people seem to rate (others may deem them legends) or words pretty much to that effect.

Did you not?!

Why is the title of the thread called Southend Legends that you don't rate then?

 

[C C Csiders]

Quote[/b] (Einstein @ Jan. 08 2007,12:08)]

Quote[/b] (C C Csiders @ Jan. 08 2007,11:29)]FS and Mick. I didn't say legends in my original post - I said players most people seem to rate (others may deem them legends) or words pretty much to that effect.

Did you not?!

Why is the title of the thread called Southend Legends that you don't rate then?  

To catch the eye Herr Einstein, to catch the eye...........

 

[Boreham Shrimper]

Billy Best

 

[fbm]

Quote[/b] (Hong Kong Blue @ Jan. 08 2007,12:07)]Grids had a fantastic engine on him. I'm sure people will make a great deal out of his ability to hit the South Upper from 6 yards out, but you have to get in that position to miss it, and we haven't had a midfielder get in the penalty box all season let alone the 6yard box.

His fitness was his only redeeming quality in my opinion. Bearing in mind that you are not actually taught to foul (as opposed to being taught to play) I'm amazed that he made it through the selection process to become a pro.

He could not only hit the South Upper from 6 yards, but also from 16, 26 and 36 yards. In fact, wherever he was, he seemed to put the ball about 10 feet over the bar.

However he has scored 2 of the most comical goals ever seen at the Hall. There we were, 2-1 down against Preston and he hits the ball from 30 yards out. Only he actually mish!ts it (if he'd caught it properly it would have ended in the South Upper) and the ball rolls towards the goal on a pitch only marginally better than last Saturday's.

The keeper makes a complete hash of it, letting it through his legs.

Then, about 10 minutes later, he races in at the far post in true Gridelet style and attempts to put the ball into an empty net from 1 foot out. He fails, but the ball hits his standing leg, cannons off his heel and in. We win 3-2 and he fluked 2 of them.

 

[Hong Kong Blue]

Quote[/b] (fbm @ Jan. 08 2007,14:36)]

Quote[/b] (Hong Kong Blue @ Jan. 08 2007,12:07)]Grids had a fantastic engine on him. I'm sure people will make a great deal out of his ability to hit the South Upper from 6 yards out, but you have to get in that position to miss it, and we haven't had a midfielder get in the penalty box all season let alone the 6yard box.

His fitness was his only redeeming quality in my opinion. Bearing in mind that you are not actually taught to foul (as opposed to being taught to play) I'm amazed that he made it through the selection process to become a pro.

He could not only hit the South Upper from 6 yards, but also from 16, 26 and 36 yards.  In fact, wherever he was, he seemed to put the ball about 10 feet over the bar.

However he has scored 2 of the most comical goals ever seen at the Hall.  There we were, 2-1 down against Preston and he hits the ball from 30 yards out.  Only he actually mish!ts it (if he'd caught it properly it would have ended in the South Upper) and the ball rolls towards the goal on a pitch only marginally better than last Saturday's.

The keeper makes a complete hash of it, letting it through his legs.

Then, about 10 minutes later, he races in at the far post in true Gridelet style and attempts to put the ball into an empty net from 1 foot out.  He fails, but the ball hits his standing leg, cannons off his heel and in.  We win 3-2 and he fluked 2 of them.

Grids didn't actually come through the pro ranks. He was an England semi-pro international whilst playing for Judas at Barnet. Judas then sold him to our FA Cup 3rd round opponents for £175,000, then a club record. At Oakwell he picked up the nickname "God" as nobody had actually seen him, but everyone knew he was there. I think he only made about 2 appearances before being released on a free and joining us.

Scoring goals like that is what makes you a legend. I also remember a double he scored against West Brom. One was admittedly a screamer, but the other was blatantly an OG which he hadn't got within 5 yards of.

I reckon he still dines out on being a professional footballer. I saw him at one of our many Millenium Stadium visits but was too star-struck to go over and talk (nb it was Sir Chrissy Powell - cue MtS photo - who he was standing next to that I was star-struck by not Grids). No footballer (with the possible exception of big, bad Dom Iorfa) has ever made me laugh as much, and for that reason alone Grids will always be one of my favourites.

 

[Napster]

Quote[/b] (Hong Kong Blue @ Jan. 08 2007,15:27)]I reckon he still dines out on being a professional footballer. I saw him at one of our many Millenium Stadium visits but was too star-struck to go over and talk (nb it was Sir Chrissy Powell - cue MtS photo - who he was standing next to that I was star-struck by not Grids).

I talked to him - I was the first to spot the two of them. Powell was mobbed as soon as they posed for my mobile camera shot.

No-one wanted to chat to Grids, but he was bloody talkative, on a par with Barris, I'd say, he was going on about his Harrow job, and how he might go to Barnet to coach. He doesn't remember much about his pro career, only that he was glad someone remembered him! Oh, and he's taller than I remember as well.

 

[Matt A Shrimper]

Collymore - great player, but cant call a guy who beats up women a legend

 

[KrustyTheKray]

Quote[/b] (C C Csiders @ Jan. 08 2007,10:38)]Peter Butler

This guy was quality!

Would rather have him in the side now over Maher anyday!!!

He was totally a 110% sort of player, who never let anyone down!

Fraid your a tad of the mark with this one, nevermind!

 

[Sean 2]

Quote[/b] (TonyTheKray @ Jan. 08 2007,23:06)]

Quote[/b] (C C Csiders @ Jan. 08 2007,10:38)]Peter Butler

This guy was quality!

Would rather have him in the side now over Maher anyday!!!

He was totally a 110% sort of player, who never let anyone down!

Fraid your a tad of the mark with this one, nevermind!

110% who never let anyone down could be Maher as well,there is no denying it.

Now,Butler and Maher in the same midfield together -awesome..........

 

[CHEMICO FC]

Quote[/b] (The Flying Scotsman @ Jan. 08 2007,11:36)]

Quote[/b] (C C Csiders @ Jan. 08 2007,11:29)]

Quote[/b] (The Flying Scotsman @ Jan. 08 2007,11:24)]Since when was Mitchell Cole or Bart Griemink ever considered a legend?

FS and Mick. I didn't say legends in my original post - I said players most people seem to rate (others may deem them legends) or words pretty much to that effect.

Of those I listed only Butler, Clark and McDonough seem to have legendary status. Griemink, for example, was much rated on here during the Flavs vs. Bart debates. Warren is generally lauded as being a good player whilst he was here, and the same can be said for the others I list.

Also neither of you answer the original question posed - who do you think were not as good as the generally held opinion.

OK then. I name Martin Carruthers.

WHOES ARE THEM

 

[londonblue]

Quote[/b] (Hong Kong Blue @ Jan. 08 2007,15:27)]

Quote[/b] (fbm @ Jan. 08 2007,14:36)]

Quote[/b] (Hong Kong Blue @ Jan. 08 2007,12:07)]Grids had a fantastic engine on him. I'm sure people will make a great deal out of his ability to hit the South Upper from 6 yards out, but you have to get in that position to miss it, and we haven't had a midfielder get in the penalty box all season let alone the 6yard box.

His fitness was his only redeeming quality in my opinion. Bearing in mind that you are not actually taught to foul (as opposed to being taught to play) I'm amazed that he made it through the selection process to become a pro.

He could not only hit the South Upper from 6 yards, but also from 16, 26 and 36 yards.  In fact, wherever he was, he seemed to put the ball about 10 feet over the bar.

However he has scored 2 of the most comical goals ever seen at the Hall.  There we were, 2-1 down against Preston and he hits the ball from 30 yards out.  Only he actually mish!ts it (if he'd caught it properly it would have ended in the South Upper) and the ball rolls towards the goal on a pitch only marginally better than last Saturday's.

The keeper makes a complete hash of it, letting it through his legs.

Then, about 10 minutes later, he races in at the far post in true Gridelet style and attempts to put the ball into an empty net from 1 foot out.  He fails, but the ball hits his standing leg, cannons off his heel and in.  We win 3-2 and he fluked 2 of them.

Grids didn't actually come through the pro ranks. He was an England semi-pro international whilst playing for Judas at Barnet. Judas then sold him to our FA Cup 3rd round opponents for £175,000, then a club record. At Oakwell he picked up the nickname "God" as nobody had actually seen him, but everyone knew he was there. I think he only made about 2 appearances before being released on a free and joining us.

Scoring goals like that is what makes you a legend. I also remember a double he scored against West Brom. One was admittedly a screamer, but the other was blatantly an OG which he hadn't got within 5 yards of.

I reckon he still dines out on being a professional footballer. I saw him at one of our many Millenium Stadium visits but was too star-struck to go over and talk (nb it was Sir Chrissy Powell - cue MtS photo - who he was standing next to that I was star-struck by not Grids). No footballer (with the possible exception of big, bad Dom Iorfa) has ever made me laugh as much, and for that reason alone Grids will always be one of my favourites.

There's a signed photo of Phil in his custard splatt kit in the Curry House I go to in Mill Hill! (Day of the Raj if anyone's interested.)

One time I asked the owner why on earth that was there and mentioned that I was a Southend fan. I was just about to launch into a tirade about how much of a joke he was when the owner told me to be quiet and pointed out that our Phil was sitting at the next table!

 

[* ORM *]

I thought the whole idea of this thread was your personal opinion on players that had a legendary status in most peoples eyes but not in yours. The point is surely not, therefore, to defend those whose views you disagree with.

My personal nominations are as follows:

Freddy Eastwood - I've never liked him, and I've been consistent with that view. That doesn't mean I don't admire his technique and his ability to score cracking goals WHEN he can be bothered. Hasn't forged a succesful partnership with anybody. Has an enfuriating habit of giving the ball away cheaply in the middle of the park and an even worse one of making less than a token stab at winning headers from drop or goalkicks.

Adam Barrett - I'm willing to wager that he has cost us many more goals than he has scored for us by being caught in posession, out of position (usually after making a suicidal run) or just outjumped to the ball (a vital ability for a centre-back). Spends half his time defending or attacking corners cuddling his opposite number rather than attacking or defending the ball.

Phil Whelan - Couldn't head the ball, pass the ball or tackle but seemed to be loved by many.

 

[Einstein]

Quote[/b] (* ORM * @ Jan. 09 2007,23:00)]The point is surely not, therefore, to defend those whose views you disagree with.

My personal nominations are as follows:

Freddy Eastwood

Adam Barrett

I'm not going to defend. I'm just going to laugh at you

 

[elmo putney]

Quote[/b] (* ORM * @ Jan. 09 2007,23:00)]I thought the whole idea of this thread was your personal opinion on players that had a legendary status in most peoples eyes but not in yours. The point is surely not, therefore, to defend those whose views you disagree with.

My personal nominations are as follows:

Freddy Eastwood - I've never liked him, and I've been consistent with that view. That doesn't mean I don't admire his technique and his ability to score cracking goals WHEN he can be bothered. Hasn't forged a succesful partnership with anybody. Has an enfuriating habit of giving the ball away cheaply in the middle of the park and an even worse one of making less than a token stab at winning headers from drop or goalkicks.

Adam Barrett - I'm willing to wager that he has cost us many more goals than he has scored for us by being caught in posession, out of position (usually after making a suicidal run) or just outjumped to the ball (a vital ability for a centre-back). Spends half his time defending or attacking corners cuddling his opposite number rather than attacking or defending the ball.

Phil Whelan - Couldn't head the ball, pass the ball or tackle but seemed to be loved by many.

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