Southend Legends that you don't rate

[C C Csiders]

Following on from the Best  and Worst Southend XI's of all time (both for about the forty-sixth time) I though I'd try something new, and come up with a Southend XI of players, who its seems, most people rate as, ast least, good players for Southend, or even have legendary status. However, I, for whatever reason, just could not see them as, in any way, shape or form, talented players.

This XI will probably surprise a few. Are there any players you might consider adding to the list. The criteria is, that they are seen (so it seems) as top players for the Shrimpers, but you just cannot see it:

My (why are they legends? They were cr@p)XI

In 4-4-2 formation

Bart Griemink

Andy Dixon
Paul Clark
Mark Warren
Steve Yates

Adam Locke
Peter Butler
Mark Tinkler
Garry Nelson

Roy McDonough
Derrick Parker

 

[palexander]

No Steve Hammell?

 

[Napster]

Quote[/b] (C C Csiders @ Jan. 08 2007,10:38)]My (why are they legends? They were cr@p)XI

In 4-4-2 formation

Paul Clark
Peter Butler

Hmmmm. Both played in the highest division...

 

[C C Csiders]

Quote[/b] (Napster @ Jan. 08 2007,10:42)]

Quote[/b] (C C Csiders @ Jan. 08 2007,10:38)]My (why are they legends? They were cr@p)XI

In 4-4-2 formation

Paul Clark
Peter Butler

Hmmmm. Both played in the highest division...

And?

So did Jeroen Boere.

 

[fbm]

No Kevin Maher?

 

[Mad Cyril]

Andy Thomson

 

[palexander]

Mitchell Cole

 

[londonblue]

Garry Nelson was excellent when he was with us. May explain why he spent most of his career in the leagues above us.

 

[Desert Shrimper]

Donkey Drewe

 

[Mick]

What a strange thread. I have never heard at least half of your team mentioned as legends. (read carefully, I'm not saying I've never heard of them!)

Of the few that could conceivably make a case for that status (viz Clark, Butler, Nelson and, whimsically, Super Roy), they all brought much to the teams they were associated with. Roy's contribution was generally by proxy as the ace goalscorers playing alongside him flourished because of his presence.

 

[shrimper_sam]

Tes Bramble

 

[The Flying Scotsman]

Since when was Mitchell Cole or Bart Griemink ever considered a legend?

 

[C C Csiders]

Quote[/b] (The Flying Scotsman @ Jan. 08 2007,11:24)]Since when was Mitchell Cole or Bart Griemink ever considered a legend?

FS and Mick. I didn't say legends in my original post - I said players most people seem to rate (others may deem them legends) or words pretty much to that effect.

Of those I listed only Butler, Clark and McDonough seem to have legendary status. Griemink, for example, was much rated on here during the Flavs vs. Bart debates. Warren is generally lauded as being a good player whilst he was here, and the same can be said for the others I list.

Also neither of you answer the original question posed - who do you think were not as good as the generally held opinion.

 

[Angell Delight]

Quote[/b] (C C Csiders @ Jan. 08 2007,10:38)]Following on from the Best  and Worst Southend XI's of all time (both for about the forty-sixth time) I though I'd try something new, and come up with a Southend XI of players, who its seems, most people rate as, ast least, good players for Southend, or even have legendary status. However, I, for whatever reason, just could not see them as, in any way, shape or form, talented players.

This XI will probably surprise a few. Are there any players you might consider adding to the list. The criteria is, that they are seen (so it seems) as top players for the Shrimpers, but you just cannot see it:

My (why are they legends? They were cr@p)XI

In 4-4-2 formation

Bart Griemink

Andy Dixon
Paul Clark
Mark Warren
Steve Yates

Adam Locke
Peter Butler
Mark Tinkler
Garry Nelson

Roy McDonough
Derrick Parker

You didn't rate Paul Clark or Peter Butler? Seriously??  

 

[Hong Kong Blue]

Flahavan - worshipped by the fans for standard saves he makes look difficult, but never criticised when he's at fault - eg palming the ball up in the air against Barnsley and then having made that mistake not taking the ball and their guy.
Andy Harris - I'm sure someone rated him, but it wasn't me. Couldn't even hoof straight.
Che Wilson - what is the point of a full-back who can't defend when someone runs at them? It wasn't as if he added anything going forward anyway! No left-foot, no composure, no pace although he jumps well for a small bloke. Wow.
Mark Warren - couldn't jump, couldn't run yet worshipped by tattoo fetishist presumably.
Keith Dublin - couldn't defend
Julian Hails - nice bloke I'm sure, but I want my right-wingers to do something more than flap their arms like a chicken.
CM?
CM?
LW?
Drewe Broughton - if commitment and a pair of wristbands is all you need to become a Southend United legend, then why didn't my parents ever buy me some wristbands?
CF?

Some vacancies there, i'll come up with some names later.

 

[fbm]

Perhaps this thread should be redefined as one where the players concerned provoke opinions from different supporters at the opposite ends of the scale, i.e. sme think brilliant and some think crap.

This is as opposed to players like Collymore, who was of course brilliant in all eyes, and Gordon Connolly, who was the opposite.

 

[Interpol Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (Hong Kong Blue @ Jan. 08 2007,11:30)]Julian Hails - nice bloke I'm sure, but I want my right-wingers to do something more than flap their arms like a chicken.

Like score a hat-trick at Filbert Street?

Anyway, the ultimate all-time SUFC "chicken-flapper" has to be Leon Cort!

 

[The Flying Scotsman]

Quote[/b] (C C Csiders @ Jan. 08 2007,11:29)]

Quote[/b] (The Flying Scotsman @ Jan. 08 2007,11:24)]Since when was Mitchell Cole or Bart Griemink ever considered a legend?

FS and Mick. I didn't say legends in my original post - I said players most people seem to rate (others may deem them legends) or words pretty much to that effect.

Of those I listed only Butler, Clark and McDonough seem to have legendary status. Griemink, for example, was much rated on here during the Flavs vs. Bart debates. Warren is generally lauded as being a good player whilst he was here, and the same can be said for the others I list.

Also neither of you answer the original question posed - who do you think were not as good as the generally held opinion.

OK then. I name Martin Carruthers.

 

[Tweedy]

Kevin Maher, sh!te player, sh!te captain. Completely outstayed his welcome.

 

[fbm]

Quote[/b] (Hong Kong Blue @ Jan. 08 2007,11:30)]Flahavan - worshipped by the fans for standard saves he makes look difficult, but never criticised when he's at fault - eg palming the ball up in the air against Barnsley and then having made that mistake not taking the ball and their guy.
Andy Harris - I'm sure someone rated him, but it wasn't me. Couldn't even hoof straight.
Che Wilson - what is the point of a full-back who can't defend when someone runs at them? It wasn't as if he added anything going forward anyway! No left-foot, no composure, no pace although he jumps well for a small bloke. Wow.
Mark Warren - couldn't jump, couldn't run yet worshipped by tattoo fetishist presumably.
Keith Dublin - couldn't defend
Julian Hails - nice bloke I'm sure, but I want my right-wingers to do something more than flap their arms like a chicken.
CM?
CM?
LW?
Drewe Broughton - if commitment and a pair of wristbands is all you need to become a Southend United legend, then why didn't my parents ever buy me some wristbands?
CF?

Some vacancies there, i'll come up with some names later.

Phil Gridelet must fit in somewhere except that I can't recall anyone thinking he was THAT good (apart from one good season alongside Ronnie Whelan)