SOME OF OUR "SUPPORTERS"...

[Matty the Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (wiggy @ Aug. 15 2004,01:04)]If it was good i would say so! At the moment it looks very poor, sorry i cannot dress it up as well as most people on here, positives Flavs, Jay Smith, Dudders, if he gets a footballer to play with, Gower good player in a good team, Burgers west stand!

How can you condemn do easily after three bloody games?
It may look poor but that doesn't warrant the sort of caining that the players have already suffered.
As already stated we need to get behind the players rather than moaning at the slightest sign of crisis.
As for the burgers in the west stand... well I sit in the South Upper

 

[Shrimp in a Kilt]

Quote[/b] (wiggy @ Aug. 15 2004,01:04)]If it was good i would say so! At the moment it looks very poor, sorry i cannot dress it up as well as most people on here, positives Flavs, Jay Smith, Dudders, if he gets a footballer to play with, Gower good player in a good team, Burgers west stand!

No one is asking you to say it is good if it isn't. Just to look at the broad picture and give it a FAIR assessment, not a diatribe about how sh*te we are. I agree with your list (yes, I rate Flavs though not convinced that he should be No1 choice at the mo). But what about Bentley, Hunt as a defender, Corbett? We have the deepest squad since we got relegated. We will overcome!

 

[rabbloke]

I know the fans should not slag the team off, in many ways it is negative, but after our last decade the club deserves to hear our genuine feelings. Individual players could learn a lot from listening to the abuse, it might be a wake up call to those that do nicely thankyou from the hard earnt cash of the supporters. Short change me in a pub and I will politely mention it. Short change me every week for a decade and even I might shout the 'c' word.

 

[Technician]

Quote[/b] (Matty the Shrimper @ Aug. 15 2004,00:34)]Apologies in advance for the spelling, grammar etc. I've just travelled to Rochdale and back so I'm nackered.

As I was at the game....
A number of players came over to clap the fans and the majority clapped back however a couple greeted the players with less than pleasant comments. I later spoke to one of the 'culprits' who was originally commenting on Broughtons lack of skill. I pointed out that he gave 110% and commented on the fact that I clap the players for their commitment to the club. Fair enough a lot of players did not perform to their optimum however they do not go out to lose and do want to win.
Lets put another spin on it....
If the players didn't come over to clap then these people would be moaning due to lack of commitment to the club. Remember players such as Belgrave rarely clapped the fans and look at the stick he took (and rightly so may I add).
Clapping at the start and end of the matches Isn't nessesarily a sign of congratulations or good play but a symbol of (sorry to use this word again) commitment. The fans clap the players as a sign of thanks for playing for our club and for the effort they put in and the players clap the fans for travelling and supporting the team.
So come on lads lets support the team for a while before really criticising. We've only had three games and theres loads of points to play for. So lets forget whats happened and really support the boys this saturday and even if it does go wrong let it get bad before it gets better.
So lets support the team and hopefully results will increase with the support.

Our players are professionals and whilst no one should be subjected to abusive language [not least by our own fans], most learn to ignore it or treat it with the contempt it deserves.

Everyone please consider this...

I have stated before that I am an advocater of attacking football being the best form of defence...

Well, I am beginning to think that maybe this isn't suitable for the teams we play in this division!!!  

why? well I have noticed that Cheltenham, Lincoln and Rochdale [our three games so far] have all played with one tactic in common!, getting men behind the ball in numbers thus nullifying our attacking options!

This suggests to me that teams look at us as being an attacking threat!. Now, that may sound ridiculous to you given our present position, but I don't think that [except maybe Rochdale!] these teams would set out to pack their defence, unless they thought this was the case!

Tilson needs to look at a whole new strategy here, beginning with support in defence from the midfield, inviting the opposition forward and then hitting them with our pace down the wing, by counter attacking in numbers and keeping the ball on the ground for a change!

On a final note... emotionally, I am P*SSED OFF about today!

I thought that after Tuesday's outstanding performance, we were going to be on a roll!, however this is Southend United we are talking about, so what can we expect?

Next Game - Cambridge United - C'MON YOU BLUES!

 

[Shrimp in a Kilt]

Quote[/b] (Technician @ Aug. 15 2004,01:31)]

Quote[/b] (Matty the Shrimper @ Aug. 15 2004,00:34)]Apologies in advance for the spelling, grammar etc. I've just travelled to Rochdale and back so I'm nackered.

As I was at the game....
A number of players came over to clap the fans and the majority clapped back however a couple greeted the players with less than pleasant comments. I later spoke to one of the 'culprits' who was originally commenting on Broughtons lack of skill. I pointed out that he gave 110% and commented on the fact that I clap the players for their commitment to the club. Fair enough a lot of players did not perform to their optimum however they do not go out to lose and do want to win.
Lets put another spin on it....
If the players didn't come over to clap then these people would be moaning due to lack of commitment to the club. Remember players such as Belgrave rarely clapped the fans and look at the stick he took (and rightly so may I add).
Clapping at the start and end of the matches Isn't nessesarily a sign of congratulations or good play but a symbol of (sorry to use this word again) commitment. The fans clap the players as a sign of thanks for playing for our club and for the effort they put in and the players clap the fans for travelling and supporting the team.
So come on lads lets support the team for a while before really criticising. We've only had three games and theres loads of points to play for. So lets forget whats happened and really support the boys this saturday and even if it does go wrong let it get bad before it gets better.
So lets support the team and hopefully results will increase with the support.

Our players are professionals and whilst no one should be subjected to abusive language [not least by our own fans], most learn to ignore it or treat it with the contempt it deserves.

Everyone please consider this...

I have stated before that I am an advocater of attacking football being the best form of defence...

Well, I am beginning to think that maybe this isn't suitable for the teams we play in this division!!!  

 why? well I have noticed that Cheltenham, Lincoln and Rochdale [our three games so far] have all played with one tactic in common!, getting men behind the ball in numbers thus nullifying our attacking options!

Now this suggests to me that teams look at us as being an attacking threat!. Now, that may sound ridiculous to you given our present position, but I don't think that [except maybe Rochdale!] these teams would set out to pack their defence, unless they thought this was the case!

Tilson needs to look at a whole new strategy here, beginning with support in defence from the midfield, inviting the opposition forward and then hitting them with our pace down the wing, by counter attacking in numbers and keeping the ball on the ground for a change!

On a final note... emotionally, I am P*SSED OFF about today! I thought that after Tuesday's outstanding performance, we were going to be on a roll!, however this is Southend United we are talking about, so what can we expect?

Next Game - Cambridge United - C'MON YOU BLUES!

See Wiggy? Technician is as gutted as the rest of us by what happened today. But instead of wringing his hands and shouting "Woe is me and the team are Tripe" he has made a serious attempt to analyse what is going wrong, and then posted a feasible answer to the problem. You should try it, it's much more fun! And that's me to bed!

 

[Canada Boy]

I think some of the team members have to realise that if they do not perform to the best of their abilities and give 100% effort, the likes of Barrett and Husbands would die for their positions if they were appropritate. Tilson will not put up with underachievers or semi tryers when he is feeling pressure to produce results:blues:

 

[Rusty Lee]

No supports have the right to criterise fellow fans, anyone who travelled over 4 hours to Rochdale yesterday and had 2 watch that dross is more than intitled to voice there opions.

I understand that it may not be constructive at times but when your a fan of a club your emotions can run pretty high. Lets be honest being a footballer isnt exactly the hardest job in the world, with hours and wages etc, so hearing a few derogatory comments after loosing 2-0 at one of the leagues weakest teams, is part n parcel of the job. Im sure these players love the attention when we're winning and all is well, so they have to take the rough with the smooth.

What really worrys me is, not what certain fans shout or do but the LACK of inventiveness and shape on the pitch. All players seem to be giving 100% which points to a distinctive void in quality. I cant see anyone of our midfielders unlocking defensives (par Mark Gower when playing well).

I do try to be positive but i've also been watching SUFC now for over 20 years and can tell when a side has the ability to win games and win well, until JAy Smith is back and fit we're really gonna struggle to score goals. It concerns me if you took out Leons 23 goals last season where would we of finisished

??

I for one will voice my criterism when things arent going well, but hope come next May, ill be leading a chant of EIEIEIO. But from what i've seen so far im less than optomistic, but I really hope im wrong

 

[footymad13]

Quote[/b] (Matty the Shrimper @ Aug. 15 2004,01:09)]

Quote[/b] (wiggy @ Aug. 15 2004,01:04)]If it was good i would say so! At the moment it looks very poor, sorry i cannot dress it up as well as most people on here, positives Flavs, Jay Smith, Dudders, if he gets a footballer to play with, Gower good player in a good team, Burgers west stand!

How can you condemn do easily after three bloody games?
It may look poor but that doesn't warrant the sort of caining that the players have already suffered.
As already stated we need to get behind the players rather than moaning at the slightest sign of crisis.
As for the burgers in the west stand... well I sit in the South Upper

Matt, as you know i do agree and never slag the team off at the games but i do understand why some do.

People will get angry and upset and can you blame them, they pay £60 to go all the way to Rochdale to see what ? a sunday league football match which they could have got down the road for free and then they see football players who prob get paid much more than them come over./

Every club has there own fair share of morons but you can't blame people for having a go at times.

 

[overseas shrimper]

Quote[/b] (Rusty Lee @ Aug. 15 2004,12:09)]No supports have the right to criterise fellow fans, anyone who travelled over 4 hours to Rochdale yesterday and had 2 watch that dross is more than intitled to voice there opions.

Well yes they do have the right. Actually.

Calling somebody else a c*nt is not a given right because you paid to watch a match, or if you travelled 4hrs or more. It does absolutely no good whatsoever.

 

[Javea Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ Aug. 15 2004,18:21)]People will get angry and upset and can you blame them, they pay £60 to go all the way to Rochdale to see what ? a sunday league football match which they could have got down the road for free and then they see football players who prob get paid much more than them come over. Every club has there own fair share of morons but you can't blame people for having a go at times.

No, you can't. Especially paying out so much to travel up to Lancashire to watch such a poor display.

However ...

Is not supporting a football team all about taking the rough with the smooth?

WS

 

[footymad13]

Quote[/b] (Javea Shrimper @ Aug. 15 2004,19:08)]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ Aug. 15 2004,18:21)]People will get angry and upset and can you blame them, they pay £60 to go all the way to Rochdale to see what ? a sunday league football match which they could have got down the road for free and then they see football players who prob get paid much more than them come over. Every club has there own fair share of morons but you can't blame people for having a go at times.

No, you can't. Especially paying out so much to travel up to Lancashire to watch such a poor display.

However ...

Is not supporting a football team all about taking the rough with the smooth?

WS

Of course it is, and i bet the people that moan will be back for more. Theres only so much people can take and sometimes Southend as you well know push those limits.

 

[Nestudas]

Quote[/b] (Javea Shrimper @ Aug. 15 2004,19:08)]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ Aug. 15 2004,18:21)]People will get angry and upset and can you blame them, they pay £60 to go all the way to Rochdale to see what ? a sunday league football match which they could have got down the road for free and then they see football players who prob get paid much more than them come over. Every club has there own fair share of morons but you can't blame people for having a go at times.

No, you can't. Especially paying out so much to travel up to Lancashire to watch such a poor display.

However ...

Is not supporting a football team all about taking the rough with the smooth?

WS

Dead right,

but can we have some smooth now please!!

 

[Javea Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (Nestudas @ Aug. 15 2004,20:47)]Dead right,

but can we have some smooth now please!!

Agreed. Although the roller came out briefly last season for the LDV ...

WS

 

[Matty the Shrimper]

Whilst people have the right to criticise it seems stupid after three games as it does nothing other than dampen the spirits it the camp.

 

[Sandbach Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (Rusty Lee @ Aug. 15 2004,11:09)]No supports have the right to criterise fellow fans, anyone who travelled over 4 hours to Rochdale yesterday and had 2 watch that dross is more than intitled to voice there opions.

Crikey someone call the grammar police!

 

[Javea Shrimper]

By the sounds of it I think it's probably more frustration than criticism. Forking out sixty quid to travel up to Lancashire for the specific reason of supporting your football team is quite enough for most people and then to see the team apparently* not perform can upset the balance I suppose ...

WS

* I say "apparently" because I was not there at Spotland; I'm only going by the various reports from those who did ...

 

[Technician]

Quote[/b] (Javea Shrimper @ Aug. 15 2004,20:11)]By the sounds of it I think it's probably more frustration than criticism. Forking out sixty quid to travel up to Lancashire for the specific reason of supporting your football team is quite enough for most people and then to see the team apparently* not perform can upset the balance I suppose ...

WS

* I say "apparently" because I was not there at Spotland; I'm only going by the various reports from those who did ...

P'haps you ought to attend on Saturday JS, you may change our luck... for the better?

We might even be bathed in sunshine again, just to make the place feel like home!!!

 

[Jenks19]

Quote[/b] (Rusty Lee @ Aug. 15 2004,11:09)]No supports have the right to criterise fellow fans, anyone who travelled over 4 hours to Rochdale yesterday and had 2 watch that dross is more than intitled to voice there opions.

I understand that it may not be constructive at times but when your a fan of a club your emotions can run pretty high. Lets be honest being a footballer isnt exactly the hardest job in the world, with hours and wages etc, so hearing a few derogatory comments after loosing 2-0 at one of the leagues weakest teams, is part n parcel of the job. Im sure these players love the attention when we're winning and all is well, so they have to take the rough with the smooth.

What really worrys me is, not what certain fans shout or do but the LACK of inventiveness and shape on the pitch. All players seem to be giving 100% which points to a distinctive void in quality. I cant see anyone of our midfielders unlocking defensives (par Mark Gower when playing well).

I do try to be positive but i've also been watching SUFC now for over 20 years and can tell when a side has the ability to win games and win well,  until JAy Smith is back and fit we're really gonna struggle to score goals. It concerns me if you took out Leons 23 goals last season where would we of finisished

??

I for one will voice my criterism when things arent going well, but hope come next May, ill be leading a chant of EIEIEIO. But from what i've seen so far im less than optomistic, but I really hope im wrong

We all have our opinions on yesterdays match. I just wish the idiots would keep their comments for outside of the ground and away from the players. I'm sure they know they can do better than that and don't need the abuse that they get. Some of our supporters really don't know the meaning of the word SUPPORT I understand it's very frustrating when we lose no body likes losing. The lads do not go out there to lose.

Observations and not criticisms of yesterdays game.
The performance was unacceptable. We struggled in the final third but you can't blame the strikers.The passes through to them were awful and not ones they were able to control. Lawrie and Wayne are 2 very similiar players. Wayne is no good in the air but if we could get the ball to his feet I think with his pace he would be ok. We know this works for Lawrie from his performances last season. Drewe won nearly everything in the air and that's great but he needs to work out where his strike partner is instead of just flicking it on. Easier said than done I know before anyone comments. We need Jay back as soon as and I'm confident things will improve through the middle.One player doesn't make a team. They all need to think about the meaning of working as a team. That's what we had last season a team and not individuals. I understand the frustration with Mark Gower and your right he doesn't get back enough but I think he is the type of person who needs to be reminded about doing so. We don't know what he is actually being told to do. I think he is being told to get forward and that's it.

There are a lot of issues that need addressing but lets give Tilly and Paul the benefit of the doubt. We have only played 3 games and I'm sure they will sort it out. Tilly won't give up he's a fighter and not a quitter.

We will get through this bad start.

 

[Homer]

This was my 1st game this season after returning from a week in cyprus and i thank mcnasty for keeping me abreast of the 2 games i missed the wonders of txt

i left southend yesterday with mcnasty-gnh-carly at 8 and 3hrs 40 mins where at chippy outside the away end sampling some excellent food (shame about the football to follow that afternoon)

I was more disgusted with the constant abuse aimed at Drewe by a minority of idiots sitting behind our small party
this carried on through out the game and my honest maybe they should take the advise they seemed to in pass to Drewe
and F**K OFF themself

Its only 3 games at the moaners are out in force yet again

The football was not good the man in black was a discrace to his whistle thats now 7 yellow cards and 1 red in two games
his given out more cards than we have scored goals

Tilson will work hard to turn it around and we should support him and the team he puts out on the field of the play every home and away we attend

but to those so called supporters with there constant abuse
you might as well stay away in my opion you are not supporters of the blues

rant over

 

[Jenks19]

Quote[/b] (skoda man @ Aug. 15 2004,21:08)]This was my 1st game this season after returning from a week in cyprus and i thank mcnasty for keeping me abreast of the 2 games i missed the wonders of txt

i left southend yesterday with mcnasty-gnh-carly at 8 and 3hrs 40 mins where at chippy outside the away end sampling some excellent food (shame about the football to follow that afternoon)

I was more disgusted with the constant abuse aimed at Drewe by a minority of idiots sitting behind our small party
this carried on through out the game and my honest maybe they should take the advise they seemed to in pass to Drewe
and F**K OFF themself

Its only 3 games at the moaners are out in force yet again

The football was not good the man in black was a discrace to his whistle thats now 7 yellow cards and 1 red in two games
his given out more cards than we have scored goals

Tilson will work hard to turn it around and we should support him and the team he puts out on the field of the play every home and away we attend

but to those so called supporters with there constant abuse
you might as well stay away in my opion you are not supporters of the blues

rant over

yes your right. True supporters only should attend. We don't need the so called ones.