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Round 1: Heat 14: Tommy vs Born To Run
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- canveyshrimpers round 1
OldBlueLady
Junior Blues Coordinator⭐⭐🦐
Interesting one this one, I will wait till later, both great albums.
BLUEBLOOD
Moderator of Moderators
On behalf of canveyshrimper
Tommy was the 4th album by The Who, IMO one of the all time great bands. The band comprised Pete Townshend lead guitar/keyboads, Roger Daltrey vocals, John The Ox Entwhistle bass & the manic Keith Moon drums. The album released in 1969 mostly composed by Townshend and has led where most subsequent concept or rock operas have since followed.
It loosely tells the story of Tommy a deaf, dumb & blind kid who becomes the leader of messianic movement. The album itself was inducted into the Grammy Hall of Fame in 1998 for historical, artistic and significant value. The only single taken for the UK was Pinball Wizard which charted at number 4 in 1969, although I'm Free and See me, Feel me charted on the Billboard charts in 1969 & 1970 respectively.
Although the band played Tommy live after it's release they rarely if ever played it in the form it was released as, sometimes deciding to change the running order and also leave out 4 tracks. There are live recordings available, notably Live at the Isle of Wight in 1970 which I was priveleged to witness. The band also performed Tommy for it's 20th anniversary on their 1989 reunion tour, with Kenney Jones replacing the late Keith Moon on drums.
The album has also been translated into various stage productions, but most famously as a Ken Russell directed film with Roger Daltrey starring as Tommy, and featured all the band members in the supporting cast, the best of which Moon as Uncle Ernie. It also starred Ann-Margret as Tommy's mother, Oliver Reed as the boyfriend, Elton John on Pinball Wizard and an electrifying performance by Tina Turner as the Acid Queen. Quite simply a brilliant album, probably ahead of it's time by one of the great British bands ever.
Pinball Wizard
See Me, Feel Me
The album is up against a worthy opponent in Born to Run, but fellow SZers vote Tommy you know it makes sense.
Thanks Harry.
Tommy was the 4th album by The Who, IMO one of the all time great bands. The band comprised Pete Townshend lead guitar/keyboads, Roger Daltrey vocals, John The Ox Entwhistle bass & the manic Keith Moon drums. The album released in 1969 mostly composed by Townshend and has led where most subsequent concept or rock operas have since followed.
It loosely tells the story of Tommy a deaf, dumb & blind kid who becomes the leader of messianic movement. The album itself was inducted into the Grammy Hall of Fame in 1998 for historical, artistic and significant value. The only single taken for the UK was Pinball Wizard which charted at number 4 in 1969, although I'm Free and See me, Feel me charted on the Billboard charts in 1969 & 1970 respectively.
Although the band played Tommy live after it's release they rarely if ever played it in the form it was released as, sometimes deciding to change the running order and also leave out 4 tracks. There are live recordings available, notably Live at the Isle of Wight in 1970 which I was priveleged to witness. The band also performed Tommy for it's 20th anniversary on their 1989 reunion tour, with Kenney Jones replacing the late Keith Moon on drums.
The album has also been translated into various stage productions, but most famously as a Ken Russell directed film with Roger Daltrey starring as Tommy, and featured all the band members in the supporting cast, the best of which Moon as Uncle Ernie. It also starred Ann-Margret as Tommy's mother, Oliver Reed as the boyfriend, Elton John on Pinball Wizard and an electrifying performance by Tina Turner as the Acid Queen. Quite simply a brilliant album, probably ahead of it's time by one of the great British bands ever.
Pinball Wizard
See Me, Feel Me
The album is up against a worthy opponent in Born to Run, but fellow SZers vote Tommy you know it makes sense.
Thanks Harry.
canveyshrimper
R.I.P
Thanks Lee, I wondered if the pics & the youtube links would work from the PM. I'll put them up later as I'll only be online for a short time.
Thanks again for posting them up mate.
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pickledseal
cowboy
With just eight songs running to less than 40 minutes, Born to Run, is short as albums go, yet it is a true classic; an honest musical expression of hope dreams and survivial.
Springsteen went for broke in 1975 after his first two albums had received critical acclaim but not commercial scueess
It’s a dramatic collection of blue-collar tales of love and making ends meet that could only come from New Jersey’s favourite son. My attachment continues in the respect that NJ is seen as America's Essex, living in the shadow of NY with some beautiful sceanery yet also run down towns including Bruce's very own Asbury Park (which is by the sea....).
'Thunder Road' is almost effortlessly cinematic. In two lines there’s imagery more striking than most songwriters can manage on a whole album: 'In the skeleton frames of burned-out Chevrolets… Your graduation gown lies in rags at their feet.' One of my favourite songs EVER.
On the excellent title track familiar Springsteen motifs are returned to, particularly running away and the allure of fast cars, 'Chrome-wheeled, fuel-injected and stepping out over the line…We gotta get out while we’re young.' Very few can make a bad situation sound so good.
10th Avenue Freeze out is genius and Jungeland emotionally draining....
Just to add that the cover art of Born to Run is one of rock music's most popular and iconic images:
This was the real start of Bruce, one of the most influential and important artists still alive. This album still makes me cry, it is filled with recurring images of people stranded, huddled, scared, crying, dying...
In the end the only run worth making is the one that forces you to risk losing everything you have. Only by taking that risk can you hold on to the faith that you have something left to lose. This has always been Bruce's mentality.
"The heroes and heroines face terror and survive it, face delight and die by its hand, and then watch as the process is reversed, understanding finally that they are paying the price of romanticizing their own fear."
Vote Born to Run.
:D
Springsteen went for broke in 1975 after his first two albums had received critical acclaim but not commercial scueess
It’s a dramatic collection of blue-collar tales of love and making ends meet that could only come from New Jersey’s favourite son. My attachment continues in the respect that NJ is seen as America's Essex, living in the shadow of NY with some beautiful sceanery yet also run down towns including Bruce's very own Asbury Park (which is by the sea....).
'Thunder Road' is almost effortlessly cinematic. In two lines there’s imagery more striking than most songwriters can manage on a whole album: 'In the skeleton frames of burned-out Chevrolets… Your graduation gown lies in rags at their feet.' One of my favourite songs EVER.
On the excellent title track familiar Springsteen motifs are returned to, particularly running away and the allure of fast cars, 'Chrome-wheeled, fuel-injected and stepping out over the line…We gotta get out while we’re young.' Very few can make a bad situation sound so good.
10th Avenue Freeze out is genius and Jungeland emotionally draining....
Just to add that the cover art of Born to Run is one of rock music's most popular and iconic images:
This was the real start of Bruce, one of the most influential and important artists still alive. This album still makes me cry, it is filled with recurring images of people stranded, huddled, scared, crying, dying...
In the end the only run worth making is the one that forces you to risk losing everything you have. Only by taking that risk can you hold on to the faith that you have something left to lose. This has always been Bruce's mentality.
"The heroes and heroines face terror and survive it, face delight and die by its hand, and then watch as the process is reversed, understanding finally that they are paying the price of romanticizing their own fear."
Vote Born to Run.
:D
Jedi Shrimper
formerly Drastic™
Pickledseal, you just made me want to buy this album.
pickledseal
cowboy
If you don't already own it, you should. It wears me out when I put it on loud and listen to it properlly, but in such an amazing way. It's SO good!
pickledseal
cowboy
Born to Run - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rGFfO5fUvE
10th Ave - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAvolRT3sX4 (live 1975)
Backstreets - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbwOxPLI8qs
Thunder Road - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqiPy99yTCo (VH1 storytellers)
Jungleland - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGU0z1DGO8E
I dare you to watch... ;)
10th Ave - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAvolRT3sX4 (live 1975)
Backstreets - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbwOxPLI8qs
Thunder Road - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqiPy99yTCo (VH1 storytellers)
Jungleland - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGU0z1DGO8E
I dare you to watch... ;)
pickledseal
cowboy
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As Bruce Springsteen put it himself: “ I always thought it was one of those records that you didn’t have to hear. When you saw the cover, you said ‘ I want that one’ “.
Desert Shrimper
The Oil Baron
Has to be "Born to Run" for me, the title track justifies it on it's own....
canveyshrimper
R.I.P
Pickledseal has made his case for Born to Run very well, and I know I am up against worthy opposition and a bloody good album.
However as I said in my original post Tommy is one of the stand out albums ever, not only as a concept or opera but the fact it has spawned numerous stage shows and a cult film.
Pinball Wizard
See me, Feel me
Vote Tommy. Thank you.
However as I said in my original post Tommy is one of the stand out albums ever, not only as a concept or opera but the fact it has spawned numerous stage shows and a cult film.
Pinball Wizard
See me, Feel me
Vote Tommy. Thank you.
pickledseal
cowboy
Looks like Tommy is running away with it.
Gutted.
Gutted.
canveyshrimper
R.I.P
I'm not counting my chickens, it's a shame as this should have been a quarter final at worst. Two great albums.
SUFC Forever
Manager
Has to be Springsteen here for me. Tommy is quality but in my opinion, Born ot Run is certainly in the top 5 of greatest albums ever made and not many people have ever bettered it.
Thunder Road, Meeting Across the River, Born To Run, Jungleland and Night are the standouts on this 8 track album and even though 34 years have passed since it was released, it too is still as fresh and rellevant as it was back then.
Vote Bruce please.
Thunder Road, Meeting Across the River, Born To Run, Jungleland and Night are the standouts on this 8 track album and even though 34 years have passed since it was released, it too is still as fresh and rellevant as it was back then.
Vote Bruce please.
Rob Noxious
Retro Supremo⭐
A very interesting contest involving two of the greats. I've gone for 'Tommy,' but neither of these albums are my favourite works by these artists, though the title track of 'BTR' is as iconic as you could find and always provokes an inspired feeling in me. I think the sub-text of 'Tommy' gives some insight into Townshend's demons from childhood, my take on this being that it's an allegory for child abuse. ''You didn't see it, you didn't hear it, you won't say nothing to no-one never in your life...'' I think The Who themselves were somewhat imprisoned by the behemoth that 'Tommy' became but there's no doubting that Pete developed the idea of a 'concept album' previously experimented with by The Pretty Things ('SF Sorrow') and The Small Faces (side 2 of 'Ogden's...') into something altogether more substantive, innovative and inspired. A work of enduring quality, proven by its adaptation into theatre and film. But give me 'Who's Next' or 'Quadrophenia' any day...
OldBlueLady
Junior Blues Coordinator⭐⭐🦐
Pretty much agreed with the first part of Rob's post above, Born to Run is an absolutely iconic track in its own right but you can't ignore the whole Tommy concept - and the intro to Pinball Wizard remains one of my favourites to this day.
Oh and I suppose I ought to vote for my step cousin's partner's band! ;) Tenuous, I know!
Oh and I suppose I ought to vote for my step cousin's partner's band! ;) Tenuous, I know!
canveyshrimper
R.I.P
Thanks all who voted, and well done Pickledseal a shame that these two met so early.
pickledseal
cowboy
A pleasure canveyshrimper, a fine tie and a worthy victor! :)
Rob Noxious
Retro Supremo⭐
Nice to see some grace here- know what you mean about Asbury Park and the NJ/Southend- NYC/London connection. I paid a bit of homage there a few years ago (saw 'The Stone Pony' club where The Boss used to play), but AP is a rough place & glad I wasn't there at night...
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