Renovation

[southend4ever]

I have now been thinking about this for a while:

firstly, could you update me on the move to Fossets? Is it all off because I saw some retail firm or someone were considering bidding to move there?

OK,

I personally think that Roots Hall is quite a hard place to come and go away with the points. The East is always packed South Upper and there is quite a bit of noise generated from the West. We build quite an atmosphere.

We have won promotion last season and are a short walk from town and the 2 stations which makes it convenient for people to get to the ground.

We are looking to consolidate and maybe even go one better in this league.

So do you really think that bearing this in mind plus revenue factors that would be a big issue would help move the club forward at this current time?

I have to admit I am not fully aware of how far away a proposed move is...

Renovation to the car park, ticket offices and maybe the food bars could be done and for a lot cheaper price would improve our stadium a lot.

The players have been together for a while and we are likely to stick with the same nucleus of the squad for another few years and I just feel Roots Hall is the venue to move forward with.

This might be the passion and love of the place and happiness with how things are going. But, it has history.

Yes, everyone moves on and there will be income from selling the ground off but if you weigh it up there is not enough in it I don't think to suggest a move would be the best thing for the team on the pitch, unless that is not why we would consider moving.

Even if the Fossets development is all off (really am not clued up) please discuss your feelings because either way the club have considered a move.

Roots Hall for me... what you think?

 

[Guest]

I love Roots Hall, I have so many happy memories there. But I also want to do what's best for the club, if we're better served moving elsewhere then so be it.

But, like you, I'd rather stay at the Hall.

 

[TrueBlue]

what I can't understand is we have built a new club shop and are investing in new swipe card ticketing systems (all good) but the club intends to move to a new ground! I think this spells out to people that FF is still a pipe dream!

 

[TrueBlue]

Quote[/b] ]Yes, everyone moves on and there will be income from selling the ground off

No there wont!....
Been there and done that years ago!

 

[Stats]

for the club to move on and compete at a decent level (the championship) we need a new ground

take note of reading, when at elm park they attracted less crowds than us then once they got their new stadium, attendances have been on the up and the club has gone from strength to strength

cant see anything happening too soon though until we have a firm footing in this division

 

[Xàbia Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (southend4ever @ Sep. 09 2005,01:25)]Yes, everyone moves on and there will be income from selling the ground off ...

Where have you been? The ground was sold off back in 1999 for £4 million in an attempt to clear the crippling debts that were threatening to kill off the football club. Southend United "pay" a six-figure annual rental fee (around £400,000 p.a.) to play at the ground (although I am led to believe that the club actually hasn't paid a penny). The summary of the transaction claims that "[Southend United] will benefit from a 30% share of any development profit realised on the re-development or disposal of Roots Hall after allowing for RHL's priority profit share of 25% per annum compound in respect of its direct investment but after taking into account rent paid by the Club. The club's profit share is capped at £1,500,000" and that the club will receive £250,000 on vacation. But I would suggest that much of this - if not all - will be swallowed by the debt ...

WS

 

[sufcintheprem]

Sadly, it's no longer about what is best for the club any more. Half the ownership want to build their flats as soon as possible so that they can turn potential revenue in to revenue.

Perhaps I'm being cynical but it seems that we've heard precious little since the club have turned consecutive profits. My guess would be that we won't see any development until the club look like they will start loss-making again and it doesn't make as much business sense to hold on to the club in its current form.

 

[Technician]

Quote[/b] (statski77 @ Sep. 09 2005,08:23)]for the club to move on and compete at a decent level (the championship) we need a new ground

take note of reading, when at elm park they attracted less crowds than us then once they got their new stadium, attendances have been on the up and the club has gone from strength to strength

cant see anything happening too soon though until we have a firm footing in this division

Agree with everything you said there, right up to your last comment... Football is unpredictable, so if the club is going to set a precedent like this - when will they feel safe enough? IE: do we have to be pushing for promotion from League 1 before the club makes the final step towards developing the new stadium?

When I asked about Fossetts last year, I was told three years. That would means Fossetts would be built for the 2007/8 season or thereabouts.

 

[Firestorm]

Currently Commercial land is selling at twice the price of retail land. The potential sale value of "our bit of FF" is far greater than the potential sale value of RH. Take into account the cost of building a stadium and I can't see the financial viability of SEL/MD/Delancy bothering with a new stadium.

Whether our debt will get written off though ??

 

[overseas shrimper]

Quote[/b] (sufcintheprem @ Sep. 09 2005,09:31)]Perhaps I'm being cynical but it seems that we've heard precious little since the club have turned consecutive profits.  My guess would be that we won't see any development until the club look like they will start loss-making again and it doesn't make as much business sense to hold on to the club in its current form.

So... based on the above, this time round we really can point the finger at Tilly and Brush.

Tilly and Brush out!

NOW!

 

[CANV]

wasnt readings sucsess and bigger crowds more to do with that blokes money and the results from the team they could then afford?

 

[Reading Shrimper]

The success at Reading is largely due to having a multi-million pound chairman, John Madejski, who funded the new stadium and has been very generous in providing a transfer budget.

But no-one can deny that the new stadium has worked wonders - the average attendence at Reading is in the region of 17,000 these days. Just look at Swansea, Wigan, or even now Coventry City - FF is the only way to go to boost our support and sustain a successful (hopefully) future in the Championship in my view.

 

[sufcintheprem]

Quote[/b] (overseas shrimper @ Sep. 09 2005,09:19)]

Quote[/b] (sufcintheprem @ Sep. 09 2005,09:31)]Perhaps I'm being cynical but it seems that we've heard precious little since the club have turned consecutive profits.  My guess would be that we won't see any development until the club look like they will start loss-making again and it doesn't make as much business sense to hold on to the club in its current form.

So... based on the above, this time round we really can point the finger at Tilly and Brush.

Tilly and Brush out!

NOW!

Sorry, but I actually have no idea what your point is here, else I would respond.

 

[The Man Who Likes Prams]

Quote[/b] (sufcintheprem @ Sep. 09 2005,18:06)]

Quote[/b] (overseas shrimper @ Sep. 09 2005,09:19)]

Quote[/b] (sufcintheprem @ Sep. 09 2005,09:31)]Perhaps I'm being cynical but it seems that we've heard precious little since the club have turned consecutive profits.  My guess would be that we won't see any development until the club look like they will start loss-making again and it doesn't make as much business sense to hold on to the club in its current form.

So... based on the above, this time round we really can point the finger at Tilly and Brush.

Tilly and Brush out!

NOW!

Sorry, but I actually have no idea what your point is here, else I would respond.

"OS Baffles Board" - not for the first time.

We need a new stadium. You suggested that the stadium will not appear until the club stop being so successful. Our success is due to the fine skills of Messrs Tilson and Brush. Therefore, to ensure a "Shinny" new stadium, we must dismiss Tilson and Brush forthwith.

Q.E.D.

 

[Guest]

Quote[/b] (overseas shrimper @ Sep. 09 2005,09:19)]

Quote[/b] (sufcintheprem @ Sep. 09 2005,09:31)]Perhaps I'm being cynical but it seems that we've heard precious little since the club have turned consecutive profits.  My guess would be that we won't see any development until the club look like they will start loss-making again and it doesn't make as much business sense to hold on to the club in its current form.

So... based on the above, this time round we really can point the finger at Tilly and Brush.

Tilly and Brush out!

NOW!

 

[shrimper4life]

Even if we do move to FF, it wont be til another few years (maybe 4-7+?) so by then the current nucleus of the squad won't be there no more.

 

[Xàbia Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (shrimper4life @ Sep. 10 2005,00:54)]Even if we do move to FF, it wont be til another few years (maybe 4-7+?) so by then the current nucleus of the squad won't be there no more.

What?! Not even Kevin "Mr Loyal" Maher?!

WS

 

[BlueJ]

Quote[/b] (Xàbia Shrimper @ Sep. 10 2005,09:03)]

Quote[/b] (shrimper4life @ Sep. 10 2005,00:54)]Even if we do move to FF, it wont be til another few years (maybe 4-7+?) so by then the current nucleus of the squad won't be there no more.

What?! Not even Kevin "Mr Loyal" Maher?!

WS

He'll probably be on his pension before we move to a new stadium!

 

[southend4ever]

sorry, i was tired when i wrote that passage about selling the ground off. can't believe i put that actually.

i wonder when we will hear something...

come on ronnnnyyy boy

 

[sufcintheprem]

Quote[/b] (The Man Who Likes Prams @ Sep. 09 2005,20:00)]

Quote[/b] (sufcintheprem @ Sep. 09 2005,18:06)]

Quote[/b] (overseas shrimper @ Sep. 09 2005,09:19)]

Quote[/b] (sufcintheprem @ Sep. 09 2005,09:31)]Perhaps I'm being cynical but it seems that we've heard precious little since the club have turned consecutive profits. My guess would be that we won't see any development until the club look like they will start loss-making again and it doesn't make as much business sense to hold on to the club in its current form.

So... based on the above, this time round we really can point the finger at Tilly and Brush.

Tilly and Brush out!

NOW!

Sorry, but I actually have no idea what your point is here, else I would respond.

"OS Baffles Board" - not for the first time.

We need a new stadium. You suggested that the stadium will not appear until the club stop being so successful. Our success is due to the fine skills of Messrs Tilson and Brush. Therefore, to ensure a "Shinny" new stadium, we must dismiss Tilson and Brush forthwith.

Q.E.D.

Somehow missed this

SITP in misses SZ post shocker!

Actually, I think you might note I was talking about financial success, stemming from good management on the pitch but not always inherently linked in football.

In addition, I think you may find that if we appear to be consistently profitable (certainly very unlikely, but possible) and moving to FF is a more economical future for the club, the new stadium would be pushed through sooner rather than later and you may find that our board suddenly take more of an interest in the football club rather than the ground they play on.

My feeling was more that the silence may indicate a reconsideration of their plans to get shot of the club in order to use the land, perhaps exploring the possibility of keeping the investment in the club as an entity as a revenue generating process rather than just the ground itself.

My point, in contrast seemd to wholly contradict this.