Prison and Human Rights

[* ORM *]

Saw on the news that due to overcrowding Norwich Prison are being forced to reopen a wing they only closed 5 days or so ago due to the so-called appalling conditions and human rights 'activists' (God I hate that word) are getting all ****y. Now assuming this doesn't include remand cases where guilt is unproven does anyone on here actually have any problem with this.

Surely they lost their human rights when they transgressed ? Lock 'em up and chaingang the *******s US style I say.

 

[Phippsy]

Saw the article you mentioned orm and i have to mirror everything you say in the fact that in my humble opinion, if you want to do wrong then you give up all your human rights when you get caught and found guilty.

 

[Airmiles]

when someone commits a crime, they waive their so called bloody Human Rights!!

 

[fredheim_holm]

But what if they are later found not guilty. Could cause quite a scene. Just a scenario for you.

 

[TrueBlue]

Saw on the news that due to overcrowding Norwich Prison are being forced to reopen a wing they only closed 5 days or so ago due to the so-called appalling conditions and human rights 'activists' (God I hate that word) are getting all ****y. Now assuming this doesn't include remand cases where guilt is unproven does anyone on here actually have any problem with this.

Surely they lost their human rights when they transgressed ? Lock 'em up and chaingang the *******s US style I say.

As long as they have been convicted and NOT on remand

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

On a purely practical point, I can't see how treating people like **** is going to help rehabilitate them back into society.

For me prison's biggest role should be that of rehabilitation, with the deterrence of losing your liberty a secondary role. If you stop people re-offending then you cut down on the need for prison.

Treating someone sadistically might make them want to never get caught again, but it unlikely to help them see the errors of their ways.

 

[Mad Cyril]

I have never been in prison or even visited one but I agree that many prisoners have it too easy.

I'm also concerned about tax and spend politics, the pensions timebomb, the mortgage crisis and dangerous dogs.

 

[Matt the Shrimp]

On a purely practical point, I can't see how treating people like **** is going to help rehabilitate them back into society.

For me prison's biggest role should be that of rehabilitation, with the deterrence of losing your liberty a secondary role. If you stop people re-offending then you cut down on the need for prison.

Treating someone sadistically might make them want to never get caught again, but it unlikely to help them see the errors of their ways.

One thought I had throughout the criminology part of my degree - when we got to visit prisons and talk to prisoners about recidivism etc - was that by the time they're in prison, it's almost too late. Not completely too late... the single most important thing done in prison is to get people off hard drugs.

But it's youth offending where you need to pour money into (a) keeping people out of prison and on community-based, rehabililtative sentences; and (b) setting up aspirartional-based targets for the youths to focus on: give them a trade, set them achievable targets, give them hope, get them away from criminality and drugs.

However, do we focus a little too much on prisoners' so-called human rights and not enough on victims' rights? I have to say it would seem so. It certainly strikes me that by the time you've ended up in prison, you have committed such crimes against a society that you have effectively waived your entitlement to rely on the rights and privileges afforded to the rest of the law-abiding members of that society.

Matt

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

I'd agree that more focus is needed at the youth end of it and helping people as early as possible and in combatting addiction. The best thing you can do for victims' rights is prevention, which leads you back to rehabilitation.

 

[Mad Cyril]

I'd agree that more focus is needed at the youth end of it and helping people as early as possible and in combatting addiction. The best thing you can do for victims' rights is prevention, which leads you back to rehabilitation.

I would like to see Pete Doherty 'rehabillitated' out of the tabloid press and into a prison uniform.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

Which leads us onto the question who are the victims when it comes to possession/use of drugs anyway?

Is it the music buying public?

 

[* ORM *]

Saw on the news that due to overcrowding Norwich Prison are being forced to reopen a wing they only closed 5 days or so ago due to the so-called appalling conditions and human rights 'activists' (God I hate that word) are getting all ****y. Now assuming this doesn't include remand cases where guilt is unproven does anyone on here actually have any problem with this.

Surely they lost their human rights when they transgressed ? Lock 'em up and chaingang the *******s US style I say.

May I refer the honourable gentleman.................. :rolleyes:

As long as they have been convicted and NOT on remand