Oxford Circus

[MK Shrimper]

An ongoing incident in progress. Keep safe out there folks. :sad:

 

[Swiss Tony]

Oh God here we go again,all fingers crossed.

 

[OldBlueLady]

Fingers crossed this is not as serious as it first seems - worrying for anyone with friends and family up there.

 

[superblue24]

Seems like a false alarm, probably due the volume of folks in the area and general anxiety levels amongst some.

 

[southendkid]

Sounds like this is going to be a future case study for why eyewitnesses can be unreliable in a large group, despite multiple people claiming they heard gunshots the police can't find any evidence of it and have reopened the station.

 

[rigsby]

Something is not adding up with this. Multiple calls from various locations about shots fired?

Why would the LFB be called to shots fired.?

 

[southendkid]

Something is not adding up with this. Multiple calls from various locations about shots fired?

Why would the LFB be called to shots fired.?

Studies have shown that if you tell someone some made up information about a crime scene a significant number of people will claim when interviewed that they personally witnessed the fictional event happen. What likely happened is someone thought they heard a gunshot, shouted 'Gun' and then everyone panicked because you don't want to be standing around in case he's right, which lead to other people believing they'd also heard a gun.

A good article about this phenomenon is in this link:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-the-eyes-have-it/

"In one well-known study, Loftus and her colleague Jacqueline Pickrell gave subjects written accounts of four events, three of which they had actually experienced. The fourth story was fiction; it centered on the subject being lost in a mall or another public place when he or she was between four and six years old. A relative provided realistic details for the false story, such as a description of the mall at which the subject’s parents shopped. After reading each story, subjects were asked to write down what else they remembered about the incident or to indicate that they did not remember it at all. Remarkably about one third of the subjects reported partially or fully remembering the false event. In two follow-up interviews, 25 percent still claimed that they remembered the untrue story, a figure consistent with the findings of similar studies."

 

[MK Shrimper]

Yep all over, thankfully no injuries.

 

[rigsby]

Studies have shown that if you tell someone some made up information about a crime scene a significant number of people will claim when interviewed that they personally witnessed the fictional event happen. What likely happened is someone thought they heard a gunshot, shouted 'Gun' and then everyone panicked because you don't want to be standing around in case he's right, which lead to other people believing they'd also heard a gun.

A good article about this phenomenon is in this link:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-the-eyes-have-it/

"In one well-known study, Loftus and her colleague Jacqueline Pickrell gave subjects written accounts of four events, three of which they had actually experienced. The fourth story was fiction; it centered on the subject being lost in a mall or another public place when he or she was between four and six years old. A relative provided realistic details for the false story, such as a description of the mall at which the subject’s parents shopped. After reading each story, subjects were asked to write down what else they remembered about the incident or to indicate that they did not remember it at all. Remarkably about one third of the subjects reported partially or fully remembering the false event. In two follow-up interviews, 25 percent still claimed that they remembered the untrue story, a figure consistent with the findings of similar studies."

Not disagreeing with any of that, its just false memory happens after the event.

Could it be a malicious hoax by some group ? Or even an event were there has been a news blackout ordered.?

Google terrorists shot dead on 7/7 if you don't believe the government legally can and do order certain events to not be reported.

Not saying it is any of the above, it just seems more than 90 minutes to decide nothing has happened whilst telling people to hide in shops waves a little flag to me.

 

[southendkid]

Not disagreeing with any of that, its just false memory happens after the event.

Could it be a malicious hoax by some group ? Or even an event were there has been a news blackout ordered.?

Google terrorists shot dead on 7/7 if you don't believe the government legally can and do order certain events to not be reported.

Not saying it is any of the above, it just seems more than 90 minutes to decide nothing has happened whilst telling people to hide in shops waves a little flag to me.

They opened the station back up, if they were lying they wouldn't have been able to do that since someone would then be shot.

Most likely someone heard a loud noise (not uncommon in tube stations), mistook it for a gunshot and then his panic made other people panic. People were told to hide in shops because the police couldn't know if the threat was real until they investigated (it would be foolish to not check just in case it's a real threat), and they'd need to check the station thoroughly in case any potential attacker was hiding.

 

[MK Shrimper]

Olly Murs on ****ter: (apologies for the rude word).

That would be enough to scare the **** out of his followers, and that panic spreads.

 

[* ORM *]

Studies have shown that if you tell someone some made up information about a crime scene a significant number of people will claim when interviewed that they personally witnessed the fictional event happen. What likely happened is someone thought they heard a gunshot, shouted 'Gun' and then everyone panicked because you don't want to be standing around in case he's right, which lead to other people believing they'd also heard a gun.

A good article about this phenomenon is in this link:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-the-eyes-have-it/

Not a crime scene but we took 10,000 to Bury in '91 :smile:

There was an article on BBC website in the last few days but I can't find it. People with amazing memories that can seemingly recall every event in their life. They were also fed false memories and later recounted them too.

 

[Firestorm]

Not a crime scene but we took 10,000 to Bury in '91 :smile:

There was an article on BBC website in the last few days but I can't find it. People with amazing memories that can seemingly recall every event in their life. They were also fed false memories and later recounted them too.

I read a similar thing about how many people say they were at the Sex pistols first gig

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Not a crime scene but we took 10,000 to Bury in '91 :smile:

There was an article on BBC website in the last few days but I can't find it. People with amazing memories that can seemingly recall every event in their life. They were also fed false memories and later recounted them too.

Ha! I know RobNoxious went but I couldn't make it.:smile:

 

[rigsby]

They opened the station back up, if they were lying they wouldn't have been able to do that since someone would then be shot.

Most likely someone heard a loud noise (not uncommon in tube stations), mistook it for a gunshot and then his panic made other people panic. People were told to hide in shops because the police couldn't know if the threat was real until they investigated (it would be foolish to not check just in case it's a real threat), and they'd need to check the station thoroughly in case any potential attacker was hiding.

Again not claiming anyone was shot. I was using that as an example because they have managed to do that in London and keep from the public in the past.

The one thing you don't do when responding to any emergency call is second guess what's actually happening, otherwise you can end up with the exact overreaction we had on Friday.

Just saying as it is Christmas shopping season they may well not be telling you everything because they never do anyway. Even the BBC and the FBU are now asking difficult questions about the Manchester bombing because the official story makes no sense.

Likewise the Vegas shooting could not possible have happened in the way we are being told.

 

[londonblue]

Ha! I know RobNoxious went but I couldn't make it.:smile:

Me neither. My finals started on the following Monday. I might as well have gone given how little work I did that day.

 

[Mad Cyril]

Olly Murs on ****ter: (apologies for the rude word).

That would be enough to scare the **** out of his followers, and that panic spreads.

If I heard gunshots I would definitely be running in the opposite direction to Olly Murs.

 

[Bearded Shrimper]

If I heard gunshots I would definitely be running in the opposite direction to Olly Murs.

Ain't the modern world strange, if I heard gunshots I wouldn't stop to tweet first

 

[Blueronron]

Ain't the modern world strange, if I heard gunshots I wouldn't stop to tweet first

Totally agree Bearded Shrimper, it seems today's modern world is to film and tweet rather than find safety

I always find it amusing when a plane is about to crash and some twonk is filming the last moments on his phone, so he can put on Youtube, if next to me filming, the only filming he would be doing was himself cleaning the screen as I have rammed it up his arse :smile:

UTS

 

[Napster]

I was in lockdown in my office just round the corner from Oxford Circus tube. Luckily there was beer in the office fridge. We were told to stay put- all we could see was people milling about and a few people running but that's it.

Of course it's nice to live in a country where you don't know what a gunshot sounds like.