C C Csiders
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Amongst you Tories out there, and those of us that wish to see a stronger opposition, who do you feel would make the best leader of the Conservative Party?
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One for the Tory Boys
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canveyshrimper
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Ann Widdicombe
C C Csiders
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Point of order, the Pub rules state "no ponography"[b said:
canveyshrimper
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Sorry, I did not see that rule, please do not yellow card me, a warning will do. I'm warned.[b said:Quote[/b] (C C Csiders @ Oct. 05 2005,11:40)]Point of order, the Pub rules state "no ponography"[b said:
Hong Kong Blue
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Speaking as someone who would like to see a stronger opposition (politics is like the premier$hite at the moment, its no fun if one side is dominating), I think the Tories need to go for Cameron.
Got to admit I know very little about him, so it would be a gamble, but I can't see any of the others doing it. I think the Tories need to go young and charismatic as a contrast to the dour Gordon Brown.
Davis I think is able, but I think he lacks the charisma for the top job, although he'd probably make a decent chancellor of the exchequer. Rifkind is a heavyweight, but is too associated with previous administrations, especially as he lost his seat in '97, Clarke is more popular in the country than in his own party (and you need the support of your own party), Fox is too extreme. I'd go for Cameron as he's the only one the public don't know enough about to discount.
Got to admit I know very little about him, so it would be a gamble, but I can't see any of the others doing it. I think the Tories need to go young and charismatic as a contrast to the dour Gordon Brown.
Davis I think is able, but I think he lacks the charisma for the top job, although he'd probably make a decent chancellor of the exchequer. Rifkind is a heavyweight, but is too associated with previous administrations, especially as he lost his seat in '97, Clarke is more popular in the country than in his own party (and you need the support of your own party), Fox is too extreme. I'd go for Cameron as he's the only one the public don't know enough about to discount.
C C Csiders
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Blair fears him because he (Clarke) is to the left of him.[b said:
canveyshrimper
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Whoever wins must stop the warring within the party and have them ready to fight and win the next election. To do this they must take back the centre ground that Blair & New Labour occupies.
Clarke & Rifkind are the older and probably discreditted by the final years of the Major government. Although Gordon Brown continues to reap the benefits of Ken Clarkes chancellorship. Also Blair is s%&t scared of Clarke, as he was of debating with both Howard & Hague.
Davis makes the right noises, and probably has the "common" touch, council house, single parent blah blah. To the right, so is bound to be accused of being extreme, racist whatever words Labour can dig up to demonise as they do all opponents.
I quite like Liam Fox, he seems personable, and as a medical doctor at least has some experience of the NHS.
David Cameron at 38 is young and inexperienced (as was Blair for that matter). Bear in mind the Tories went the young option with Hague in 97, however Cameron does have all his own hair. Important in these of looks over substance of policy.
Overall i think Cameron is probably the man, but whoever wins the party and the MPs must all back the leader to the hilt, and present coherent policy to the country. More importantly while in opposition they must stop letting the government getting away doing pretty much what they want.
Clarke & Rifkind are the older and probably discreditted by the final years of the Major government. Although Gordon Brown continues to reap the benefits of Ken Clarkes chancellorship. Also Blair is s%&t scared of Clarke, as he was of debating with both Howard & Hague.
Davis makes the right noises, and probably has the "common" touch, council house, single parent blah blah. To the right, so is bound to be accused of being extreme, racist whatever words Labour can dig up to demonise as they do all opponents.
I quite like Liam Fox, he seems personable, and as a medical doctor at least has some experience of the NHS.
David Cameron at 38 is young and inexperienced (as was Blair for that matter). Bear in mind the Tories went the young option with Hague in 97, however Cameron does have all his own hair. Important in these of looks over substance of policy.
Overall i think Cameron is probably the man, but whoever wins the party and the MPs must all back the leader to the hilt, and present coherent policy to the country. More importantly while in opposition they must stop letting the government getting away doing pretty much what they want.
Bucks_blue
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Well he'll get my vote then
* ORM *
Still Loves Emma Bunton. Roy McDonough is God!
Anyone that stands for getting rid of political correctness and reversing the creep of big brother. Banning women from the workplace unless it's in a cleaning, secretarial, teaching or nursing capacity. Complusory 5 years maternity leave for all mothers. Tougher sentences and a tougher life in prison (rehabilitate my arse ! It doesn't work so why bother giving them the life of Reilly ?). Pulling the troops out of Iraq. Stop being a puppet for USA; they'll survive without us and we would sure as hell survive without them if we had the self belief. Standardise the tax system (think of the money we'd save in systems alone and the accountants we wouldn't need). Tougher border controls. Castration and chemical treatment of paedophiles. Sealing the border with Wales, rebuilding Hadrians Wall (as high as it is wide).
That'll do for starters.
That'll do for starters.
Hong Kong Blue
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The final two should be announced shortly.
Any ideas who our local MPs are siding with?
Any ideas who our local MPs are siding with?
canveyshrimper
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Looks like it will be Cameron & Fox.
I don't think there has been much indication from our local MP's on which way they are voting.
I don't think there has been much indication from our local MP's on which way they are voting.
Hong Kong Blue
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I think newsnight suggested that Southend's ambassador to Bermuda the right hon James Dudridge had switched from Davis, but have no idea to who.
Whilst Cameron seems to be the favourite, I wonder if he might have peaked too soon and whether its too late for a stop Cameron campaign.
Whilst Cameron seems to be the favourite, I wonder if he might have peaked too soon and whether its too late for a stop Cameron campaign.
Sebastian Weetabix
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gets my vote then[b said:
Matt the Shrimp
aka Harry Potter
He makes the right noises if you're a foaming at the mouth Europhobe with personal politics to the right of Atilla the Hun.[b said:
So he'll get Spiff's vote...
Cameron will walk this, which is a shame. They should have voted Clarke; Ken could have fought 2009 and whittled Labour's (and Brown's) lead down to about 20-odd, and then Ken could have stood aside for Cameron to lead the Tories back into power in 2013.
As it is, I think 2009 may come too soon for Cameron, and just in time for Gordon Brown... indeed, Brown may call an early election just to make sure that Cameron is too wet behind the ears to mount a proper challenge.
Matt
Matt the Shrimp
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Incidentally, is anyone else amused/bemused that journalists keep going on about the fact that Cameron went to Eton, without pausing to recollect that our Prime Minister went to Fettes College... which is essentially the Scottish equivalent of Eton...?
The weird thing is, the PM is supposed to be in the Labour party...
Not sure I get it, but there you go.
Matt
The weird thing is, the PM is supposed to be in the Labour party...
Not sure I get it, but there you go.
Matt
rabbloke
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I am an ardent Maggie Thatcher fan and she made Atilla the Hun look as strong as Michael Barrymores moral fortitude. The Tory party is going for youth. We have that in Blair and he is a self-motivated, war criminal responsible for the murder of British troops and thousands of innocent Iraqi people. The fabric of British society is coming apart at the seams. If it moves, breathes or even exists then there must be a tax to rape its very being. Oh yes! Would I not just love another young man of the people that was born long after decency died.[b said:
canveyshrimper
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It ceratinly looks like Cameron has all the aces now, and seems likely that it will be a cakewalk.
I am not sure that Labour under Brown will win in 2009 or 2010 (our parliaments can last for 5 years, not 4 as seems to be fashionable under Labour). If Blair clings onto the leadership as he seems to want to, there becomes a power vacuum between him & Brown (I know it is already there, but it will grow) which can paralyse government policy. Policy that is not made up on the hip at least, or reacting to the latest figures on crime or whatever.
I think this government is already deeply unpopular, and the fact that they got less than 37% of the vote last time out supports this. Therefore a strong, cohesive opposition is absolutely essential for the country.
Something else that is being taken for granted is the thought that Brown will succeed Blair. If Blair has anything to do with this then he won't. Blair may paint Brown into a corner and continue to be a lame duck prime minister for another 3 years.
I do find it hilarious that the press make so much of Tory MP's and their schooling and conveniently forget where Blair, Clarke, Straw and others were schooled.
It seems the policy of this goverment is to tear apart our history, rip down the bonds of family while governing on a basis of lies and spin, with Blair at the head of it grinning like a demented Cheshire cat.
I am sorry if that sounds like a Daily Mail editorial but it appears that most of the rest of our press are in thrall to this despicable government which attempts to ride roughshod over all public and reasonable debate.
Rant over.
I am not sure that Labour under Brown will win in 2009 or 2010 (our parliaments can last for 5 years, not 4 as seems to be fashionable under Labour). If Blair clings onto the leadership as he seems to want to, there becomes a power vacuum between him & Brown (I know it is already there, but it will grow) which can paralyse government policy. Policy that is not made up on the hip at least, or reacting to the latest figures on crime or whatever.
I think this government is already deeply unpopular, and the fact that they got less than 37% of the vote last time out supports this. Therefore a strong, cohesive opposition is absolutely essential for the country.
Something else that is being taken for granted is the thought that Brown will succeed Blair. If Blair has anything to do with this then he won't. Blair may paint Brown into a corner and continue to be a lame duck prime minister for another 3 years.
I do find it hilarious that the press make so much of Tory MP's and their schooling and conveniently forget where Blair, Clarke, Straw and others were schooled.
It seems the policy of this goverment is to tear apart our history, rip down the bonds of family while governing on a basis of lies and spin, with Blair at the head of it grinning like a demented Cheshire cat.
I am sorry if that sounds like a Daily Mail editorial but it appears that most of the rest of our press are in thrall to this despicable government which attempts to ride roughshod over all public and reasonable debate.
Rant over.
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