TV Highlights Oldham Highlights

[GBJ]

For those who have missed it -

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_div_2/8643131.stm

Few points -

- Mildy should have saved the first. It's come from a long way out, so he's had time to adjust his feet, but even then it's right down his throat. It's more a half hearted attempt to palm it clear than anything.

- Laurent squeezes between 3 Oldham defenders to put his header into the top corner, hard to believe a few people have criticised Flavs for that?

- The second goal is just downright crap. McCormack, Grant and Francis all looked like people who didn't give a toss.

- Anthony Grant has to score that 1-on-1. Typical save from Flavs though.

- Patterson's 'shot' was worse than some of McCormack's

 

[Pubey]

For those who have missed it -

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_div_2/8643131.stm

Few points -

- Mildy should have saved the first. It's come from a long way out, so he's had time to adjust his feet, but even then it's right down his throat. It's more a half hearted attempt to palm it clear than anything.

- Laurent squeezes between 3 Oldham defenders to put his header into the top corner, hard to believe a few people have criticised Flavs for that?

- The second goal is just downright crap. McCormack, Grant and Francis all looked like people who didn't give a toss.

- Anthony Grant has to score that 1-on-1. Typical save from Flavs though.

- Patterson's 'shot' was worse than some of McCormack's

We spent years never being able to properly defend our 6 yard box because defenders don't know what Flavs is doing, it looks the same for Oldham too. Mildy would have caught our second goal.

Agree with your other points though.

 

[Ayrshire Blue]

Awful goalkeeping for the first.

Schoolboy defending again for the second.

Grant and Paterson have to do better.

Great play from Crawford before getting the cross in for M'Voto's goal.

 

[united we stand]

no matter how many times you watch it I still don't understand how Mildy failed to easily save the first ? Is it me ?

 

[Pubey]

no matter how many times you watch it I still don't understand how Mildy failed to easily save the first ? Is it me ?

it was a hard shot, and Mildy perhaps wasn't expecting it to be struck first time, and was maybe a bit unsighted by Baldwin. However yeah you'd expect him to save it.

 

[Swiss Tony]

no matter how many times you watch it I still don't understand how Mildy failed to easily save the first ? Is it me ?

Because the man ain't up to it.strictly 2nd rate.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

Because the man ain't up to it.strictly 2nd rate.

He may be second rate, but our team is 4th rate as of Saturday, so he is one of the better ones.

Whilst he was definitely culpable for the first, having seen the replays I'm just relieved we don't have Oldham's 4th rate keeper. He was beaten by a Laurent header (PMSL) which he didn't even bother to try and save (same sort of distance as Mildenhall's save v Chelsea....) and completely glued to the line for our 2nd. Thank God we haven't had to go through that again this season, or we'd have been relegated a couple of months ago.

 

[WESTY_SUFC]

Whilst i think Mildy is the least of the problems with our team i can't work out how he is usually excellent at home and shocking regularly away.

I think away from home shot stopping ability is higher priority which Mildy certainly does lack in.

 

[WESTY_SUFC]

He may be second rate, but our team is 4th rate as of Saturday, so he is one of the better ones.

Whilst he was definitely culpable for the first, having seen the replays I'm just relieved we don't have Oldham's 4th rate keeper. He was beaten by a Laurent header (PMSL) which he didn't even bother to try and save (same sort of distance as Mildenhall's save v Chelsea....) and completely glued to the line for our 2nd. Thank God we haven't had to go through that again this season, or we'd have been relegated a couple of months ago.

Dear oh dear.... if you think Mildy is better than Flahavan you are clueless.

Flahavan was a key player in our promotion winning seasons. I can pick out dozens more vital saves Flahavan made during his time with us which outweighed his mistakes/not dealing with high balls.

I cannot with Mildenhall.

 

[A Century United]

Dear oh dear.... if you think Mildy is better than Flahavan you are clueless.

Flahavan was a key player in our promotion winning seasons. I can pick out dozens more vital saves Flahavan made during his time with us which outweighed his mistakes/not dealing with high balls.

I cannot with Mildenhall.

Mildy > Flavs.

YB > Westy

:thump:

 

[Swiss Tony]

He may be second rate, but our team is 4th rate as of Saturday, so he is one of the better ones.

Whilst he was definitely culpable for the first, having seen the replays I'm just relieved we don't have Oldham's 4th rate keeper. He was beaten by a Laurent header (PMSL) which he didn't even bother to try and save (same sort of distance as Mildenhall's save v Chelsea....) and completely glued to the line for our 2nd. Thank God we haven't had to go through that again this season, or we'd have been relegated a couple of months ago.

So says you,and if you want to pick out games,try Flavs against Manure.

 

[A Century United]

So says you,and if you want to pick out games,try Flavs against Manure.

He was fantastic in that match, but that was one match, and that was then and this is now. Whether or not I'd want the MUFC Flavs back, I wouldn't want the 2010 Flavs back.

 

[BoyWonder2]

Dear oh dear.... if you think Mildy is better than Flahavan you are clueless.

Flahavan was a key player in our promotion winning seasons. I can pick out dozens more vital saves Flahavan made during his time with us which outweighed his mistakes/not dealing with high balls.

I cannot with Mildenhall.

Guess I'm clueless as well.

The reason you can remember all of those vital saves Flav's made during his spell with us, is because he didn't deal with the initial danger. For example, think of his wonder save against McGleish against Northampton in the home leg of the play offs. A truly fantastic one handed save. However, the reason he had to do this is because he failed to deal with the ball into the box in the first place. Had he come out and claimed the cross, like Mildenhall probably would of, then he wouldn't have had to make the save.

Its the same with our defenders. Think of how many diving blocks the likes of Barrett and Clarke have had to do during their spells with us and think how many Dervite had to do. Dervite would go and deal with the initial ball, meaning he didn't have to end up on his arse preventing the shot because he already did it by heading the ball away.

Whilst Flav's was a key part of our side back then, there was numerous goals that could easily be labelled as his mistake by being glued to his line. Just look at the two goals we scored. They was typical of the goals we used to let in with Flav's in goal.

Mildenhall will make more mistakes (i.e. dropping the ball, sloppy punch) because he tries to deal with that initial cross, set pieces etc. You will make mistakes by doing that and it has been picked up on here. Against Yeovil last season at home he came for a cross over the top of one of our players, spilt it and they scored and won 1-0. That wouldn't have happened with Flav's because he would have been glued to his line. He didn't make many mistakes because he didn't come off his line. His handling was excellent, and rarely dropped anything because he rarely came off his line to have a chance to drop anything.

 

[GBJ]

I was going to offer my bit, adding examples and excuses, but what's the point. FWIW, Flavs is by far the better keeper. Hence the numerous awards, plus playing at a higher level than Mildy ever has i believe.

 

[BoyWonder2]

I was going to offer my bit, adding examples and excuses, but what's the point. FWIW, Flavs is by far the better keeper. Hence the numerous awards, plus playing at a higher level than Mildy ever has i believe.

When you mention the "numerous awards" I take it you mean his player of the year trophy which we rigged the vote as it was an online poll with fans? The same award, well the montly one, which we also got the likes of Eastwood to win as well.

Both have their strenghts and both have their weaknesses hence the reason none of them have gone onto the Premiership, and hence them both being with us. If they didn't have the weaknesses they would have have played for us and both would be off to the World Cup.

Flavs' is a more "spectaculor" goalkeeper, but in my eyes, Mildenhall is the better allround goalkeeper.

 

[GBJ]

When you mention the "numerous awards" I take it you mean his player of the year trophy which we rigged the vote as it was an online poll with fans? The same award, well the montly one, which we also got the likes of Eastwood to win as well.

Both have their strenghts and both have their weaknesses hence the reason none of them have gone onto the Premiership, and hence them both being with us. If they didn't have the weaknesses they would have have played for us and both would be off to the World Cup.

Flavs' is a more "spectaculor" goalkeeper, but in my eyes, Mildenhall is the better allround goalkeeper.

What i find interesting, is how the point about Flavs staying on his line etc etc, costing us goals. We did have (tall enough) CB's to deal with high crosses.

Also it's interesting how Mildy's faults this year, which have cost us goals and subsequent points go unmentioned.

 

[BoyWonder2]

What i find interesting, is how the point about Flavs staying on his line etc etc, costing us goals. We did have (tall enough) CB's to deal with high crosses.

Also it's interesting how Mildy's faults this year, which have cost us goals and subsequent points go unmentioned.

Being tall enough and being dominate and two entirely different things. Neither Clarke or Barrett where commanding enough in the air, and that meant Flavs' weaknesses where exposed even more.

Mildenhall has his faults, I'm not denying that, I mentioned it in the post you quoted, but which goals are you making Mildenhall responsible for? I'll give you the first Oldham goal, by the way Flavs' was at fault for our two. What other goals are you going to mention? I genuinely don't remember him making to many mistakes.

 

[GBJ]

Being tall enough and being dominate and two entirely different things. Neither Clarke or Barrett where commanding enough in the air, and that meant Flavs' weaknesses where exposed even more.

Mildenhall has his faults, I'm not denying that, I mentioned it in the post you quoted, but which goals are you making Mildenhall responsible for? I'll give you the first Oldham goal, by the way Flavs' was at fault for our two. What other goals are you going to mention? I genuinely don't remember him making to many mistakes.

Off the top of my head;

Charlton's winner at Roots Hall - He came out towards the ball, then stopped, back tracked and left i) a gaping hole to his left, and ii) the striker time to pick his shot

Swindon at Roots Hall - i remember he could and should have done better with at least one of their goals

Carlisle - Ok, the defence was ****, but again thought he could have done better.

 

[BoyWonder2]

Off the top of my head;

Charlton's winner at Roots Hall - He came out towards the ball, then stopped, back tracked and left i) a gaping hole to his left, and ii) the striker time to pick his shot

Swindon at Roots Hall - i remember he could and should have done better with at least one of their goals

Carlisle - Ok, the defence was ****, but again thought he could have done better.

Fair enough.

Charlton's winner is a touch harsh if you ask me. The ball to Reid to tuck away was perfectly weighted ball for him to finish. Mildenhall couldn't have got out to it, even if he wanted to. My view, from the East Reds, isn't ideal to say what sort of gap he left but it looked an excellent finish to me.

To be fair, I don't remember the other games you mention. I remember there was one that Barrett let go over his head and the striker finished passed Mildenhall, was that the Carlisle game? Again, Mildenhall may have called it, I couldn't have heard, but from my view it looked like a Barrett balls up.

 

[GBJ]

Fair enough.

Charlton's winner is a touch harsh if you ask me. The ball to Reid to tuck away was perfectly weighted ball for him to finish. Mildenhall couldn't have got out to it, even if he wanted to. My view, from the East Reds, isn't ideal to say what sort of gap he left but it looked an excellent finish to me.

To be fair, I don't remember the other games you mention. I remember there was one that Barrett let go over his head and the striker finished passed Mildenhall, was that the Carlisle game? Again, Mildenhall may have called it, I couldn't have heard, but from my view it looked like a Barrett balls up.

Been trying to find the video for the Charlton game, but apparently it has "expired". Anyway, from where i was (W Block) and in the replay, it clearly showed Mildy left a massive gap. He could have also got to the ball 1st. It had enough momentum. If Mildy wasn't as slow as a centurion tank he would have made it.

As for the Carlisle one, if you check out the post-match thread, a few people have saif they heard Mildy call the ball, hence why Bazo and Herd left it.