Need a desperate bit of Networking help...

[palexander]

Got into a bit of a situation at the weekend. I offered to help my mates company set up Windows 2000 Server and install ADSL so they could share across the network.

The Server upgrade went fine and I thought I'd be able to share the internet through Internet Connection Sharing from the server. As I rolled into Sunday desperately trying to get it to work so they could use it Monday, I had to concede defeat. I know alot about computers, but networking, IP's etc really stumps me...

Anyway, any of you clever chaps know an alternative? I am guessing now they could plug the broadband ADSL modem straight into their 8 port switch and that would share the modem through the network with minimal setting up all the other client PC's??

If anyone knows anything about this, please help - PM me or leave me an email address!!

Paul.

(Sorry to all you non-geekie chaps and chapesses

)

 

[Kenny]

did you try setting up a C64 as the internet server? this usually resolves it.

 

[palexander]

trust you!

 

[palexander]

seriously guys - I aint joking... HELLLLLLPPPPPPP!!!! (please:) )

 

[Andu]

Quote[/b] (pboreham @ Jan. 20 2004,22:27)]Got into a bit of a situation at the weekend. I offered to help my mates company set up Windows 2000 Server and install ADSL so they could share across the network.

The Server upgrade went fine and I thought I'd be able to share the internet through Internet Connection Sharing from the server. As I rolled into Sunday desperately trying to get it to work so they could use it Monday, I had to concede defeat. I know alot about computers, but networking, IP's etc really stumps me...

Anyway, any of you clever chaps know an alternative? I am guessing now they could plug the broadband ADSL modem straight into their 8 port switch and that would share the modem through the network with minimal setting up all the other client PC's??

If anyone knows anything about this, please help - PM me or leave me an email address!!

Paul.

(Sorry to all you non-geekie chaps and chapesses  

)

From my limited experiance of network sharing, plugging the dsl modem into the hub should work OK.
Then set IE etc on each machine to access the internet via LAN.
The problems could come down to protocols if you have a mixed Windows envronment (ie 98, ME, XP). I think that 2000 and XP only look for TCP/IP whereas 98 and ME require NetBUI, so NetBUI has to be enabled on the 2000 server(??).
Are there firewalls on the PC's? If yes then each firewall needs to allow connection to the server as a "safe site" to allow network traffic on the appropriate ports

Of course all the above could be a load of bull, as my experiance of networks is a bit limited.
I think Mr Cratchitt is the person you need

 

[Mad Cyril]

From my very limited experience of networking I think you need to plug the cable modem into a router, not a hub.

 

[palexander]

Quote[/b] (Mad Cyril @ Jan. 21 2004,12:53)]From my very limited experience of networking I think you need to plug the cable modem into a router, not a hub.

Apparantly, the modem is also an "Intelligent Router" and does actually have 4 LAN ports at the back. I'm such a joey when it comes to networking though, I just cannot get my head round it...

 

[palexander]

Quote[/b] (Andu @ Jan. 21 2004,12:32)]

Quote[/b] (pboreham @ Jan. 20 2004,22:27)]Got into a bit of a situation at the weekend. I offered to help my mates company set up Windows 2000 Server and install ADSL so they could share across the network.

The Server upgrade went fine and I thought I'd be able to share the internet through Internet Connection Sharing from the server. As I rolled into Sunday desperately trying to get it to work so they could use it Monday, I had to concede defeat. I know alot about computers, but networking, IP's etc really stumps me...

Anyway, any of you clever chaps know an alternative? I am guessing now they could plug the broadband ADSL modem straight into their 8 port switch and that would share the modem through the network with minimal setting up all the other client PC's??

If anyone knows anything about this, please help - PM me or leave me an email address!!

Paul.

(Sorry to all you non-geekie chaps and chapesses  

)

From my limited experiance of network sharing, plugging the dsl modem into the hub should work OK.
Then set IE etc on each machine to access the internet via LAN.
The problems could come down to protocols if you have a mixed Windows envronment (ie 98, ME, XP). I think that 2000 and XP only look for TCP/IP whereas 98 and ME require NetBUI, so NetBUI has to be enabled on the 2000 server(??).
Are there firewalls on the PC's? If yes then each firewall needs to allow connection to the server as a "safe site" to allow network traffic on the appropriate ports

Of course all the above could be a load of bull, as my experiance of networks is a bit limited.
I think Mr Cratchitt is the person you need

Thanks Andu. From my limited knowledge, I am fairly confident this will work - just looking for a bit of confirmation!

I understand all you wrote, so I guess thats a start! I may just upgrade them all to 2000, though NetBUI is installed on all machines - I'll check the server.

Cheers, Paul

 

[Andu]

Quote[/b] (pboreham @ Jan. 21 2004,13:22)]I understand all you wrote, so I guess thats a start! I may just upgrade them all to 2000, though NetBUI is installed on all machines - I'll check the server.

Cheers, Paul

You would be better upgrading to XP as I understand it is much more friendly when setting up networks.

 

[McScriven]

The small networks I've set up (4 or 5 machines) have all used 2000 (make sure it's server addition) and I've never had any problems.

 

[Kenny]

Quote[/b] (Andu @ Jan. 21 2004,13:25)]You would be better upgrading to XP as I understand it is much more friendly when setting up networks.

ohhhhhh don't mention XP to Paul - it's a dirty word.

 

[Taunton_Shrimp]

steer clear of xp it's trouble. Get them all on Win 2k and they all run IP, they will pick up their own address across the network and your larfin....its a peice of cake!

Netbeui can cause problems so if you dont need take it off.

Of course the easiest way to do it would be just to get a wireless router on the main pc, stick wirless pci cards in the rest of the pc's and then use Internet connection sharing, get shot of the switch/hub if you dont need it for any other wired devices.

 

[Guest]

Quote[/b] (Kenny @ Jan. 21 2004,18:54)]

Quote[/b] (Andu @ Jan. 21 2004,13:25)]You would be better upgrading to XP as I understand it is much more friendly when setting up networks.

ohhhhhh don't mention XP to Paul - it's a dirty word.

Grrrrrrr.... bloody XP...

 

[palexander]

Thanks for all the help guys - most appreciated.

Does anyone actually know for definate though that if I plug the modem into the existing switch that the client PC's will pick up that internet connection (obviously if the client PC's are configured to look for the LAN 'net connection)??

Cheers, Paul

 

[McScriven]

Not 100% sure but I think it will automatically detect the new hardware.

 

[Andu]

Quote[/b] (pboreham @ Jan. 21 2004,21:28)]Thanks for all the help guys - most appreciated.

Does anyone actually know for definate though that if I plug the modem into the existing switch that the client PC's will pick up that internet connection (obviously if the client PC's are configured to look for the LAN 'net connection)??

Cheers, Paul

The only problem might be if the server has already assigned itself the same OP address that the router requires, you might need to reset the IP addressess.



PS - whats the prob with XP?
Just testing the beta for service pack 2 at the moment

 

[Bob Cratchitt]

Yuck dont ever contemplate using M$ products in a networking environment!!

Why are you trying get people to use the Windoze Server to access the internet if they have a router?? If the router uses NAT then I suggest you point the default gateway to the router's ip address. NAT is a simple way of trying to stop hackers. However due to the 'always on' situation of ADSL you will need a firewall to stop those pesky hackers getting in and causing havoc. FYI It takes about 4 mins from plugging into broadband to be sweeped for vulnerabilities from so me little herbet on the Net.

My suggestion would be the Netgear product as they are a firewall/ 4 port hub/router and ADSL modem all in one

DG834 - Wired version

DG834G - Wireless version

Nearly all my colleagues use Netgear Broadband routers, and as we are networking and security specialists for a top Investment Bank, take my word they are best you can buy for the SoHo (Small Office/Home Office)

Now all I need to do is work out away to earn commission for the all sales I have given Netgear over the last two years.

Need anymore info just PM me.

 

[Andu]

If its any help try

http://www25.brinkster.com/ChicagoTech/


It has loads of info on networking

 

[Bob Cratchitt]

Cool Networking advice by a MCSE

 

[Andu]

Quote[/b] (Bob Cratchitt @ Jan. 23 2004,09:48)]Cool Networking advice by a MCSE  

Any port in a storm!!

Or should that be any port in the network! - so long as its not blocked by the firewall