Mr Kettle caused a little steam to be let off yesterday....

[OldBlueLady]

Really surprised this hasn't popped up on here as yet - at least, not as far as I've seen.

AFC Wimbledon v Accrington Stanley, our friend, Trevor Kettle the ref. So, resident refs and members of SZ, what do we make of this? Was he right or was he wrong? Certainly I think the majority of refs would have allowed the shot to have been taken before blowing. Many wouldn't have even thought of blowing until the move itself had finished.

[video=youtube;nST0zVZ6BpY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nST0zVZ6BpY[/video]

 

[RobM]

The only occasion time can be added is for the completion of a penalty kick. Referee totally correct.

 

[manor15]

The only occasion time can be added is for the completion of a penalty kick. Referee totally correct.

Even if the player is taking a shot from 6 yards out? Surely common sense should prevail in scenarios like this, even if it isn't stated in the rule book?

 

[OldBlueLady]

Even if the player is taking a shot from 6 yards out? Surely common sense should prevail in scenarios like this, even if it isn't stated in the rule book?

Exactly what I thought Sam, yes, we know there's the letter of the law (or rule, can never remember which!) and there's the spirit of it?

 

[Ayrshire Blue]

An all time low for Mr Kettle.

 

[RobM]

Even if the player is taking a shot from 6 yards out? Surely common sense should prevail in scenarios like this, even if it isn't stated in the rule book?

...would your view be the same had we conceded in that manner?
You cannot add time, full stop. Not even for what might happen.

 

[Ayrshire Blue]

...would your view be the same had we conceded in that manner?
You cannot add time, full stop. Not even for what might happen.

Yes you can. When the board goes up its allocated for a minimum of x amount of minutes

 

[manor15]

...would your view be the same had we conceded in that manner?
You cannot add time, full stop. Not even for what might happen.

Yes. If it was 2/3 minutes over the time added on and there was an opportunity to below earlier then yes, here he chooses to blow as the player takes a shot from 6 yards out. I highly doubt Wimbledon would complain about 2 seconds too long of added time in the first half. There's a difference between adding time and allowing play to continue to the next sensible point to stop.

 

[AndyT]

Yep, spot on.

Added time isn't an exact science, it's approximate, so the 1 minute is a guideline, it doesn't mean there's exactly 60 seconds to play.

The referee got this badly wrong, IMHO.

 

[RobM]

"The referee is the official timekeeper for the match, and may make an allowance for time lost through substitutions, injured players requiring attention, or other stoppages. This added time is called additional time in FIFA documents, but is most commonly referred to as stoppage time or injury time, while loss time can also be used as a synonym. The duration of stoppage time is at the sole discretion of the referee. The referee alone signals the end of the match. In matches where a fourth official is appointed, toward the end of the half the referee signals how many minutes of stoppage time he intends to add. The fourth official then informs the players and spectators by holding up a board showing this number. The signalled stoppage time may be further extended by the referee."

 

[Supa Shrimpa]

Are you telling me that Mr Kettle knew exactly how much added time there was and that he stopped his watch for every single second time the match was delayed, thereby having the exact time to the second ? IMO it comes under Law 18 !

 

[RobM]

As previous - the referee is the sole arbiter. Where the ball is, where it's going, what might happen is totally irrelevant.

 

[Supa Shrimpa]

As previous - the referee is the sole arbiter. Where the ball is, where it's going, what might happen is totally irrelevant.

The ref peeps his whistle 3 times at the end of a game. So it the ball is struck towards goal, and the ref starts peeping his whistle, is it full time on the 1st, 2nd or 3rd peep ?

 

[RobM]

The beginning of the first "peep". That moment is definite, the end could, in theory, last any amount of time. The three "peeps" is a standard whistle but it's not mandatory, just accepted as the norm.
Think of fire alarm. The alarm starts at the very first moment of sound, not the end.

 

[RobM]

Yes you can. When the board goes up its allocated for a minimum of x amount of minutes

That time is not added, despite what it's called. It replaces time that has been lost. Therefore a half lasts 45 minutes of play except to complete a penalty kick. This came about in 1891 or so when a penalty was awarded in a match and a defender deliberately kicked the ball out of the ground. By the time it had been retrieved, the match finished.

 

[Supa Shrimpa]

The beginning of the first "peep". That moment is definite, the end could, in theory, last any amount of time. The three "peeps" is a standard whistle but it's not mandatory, just accepted as the norm.
Think of fire alarm. The alarm starts at the very first moment of sound, not the end.

Is that in the Laws of the Game or your personal view ?

How about if you blow the whistle whilst the ball is crossing the line ? Goal or not ?

 

[OldBlueLady]

Surely it's just common sense though, and he failed spectacularly to show any here.

 

[Gremlin]

The ref peeps his whistle 3 times at the end of a game. So it the ball is struck towards goal, and the ref starts peeping his whistle, is it full time on the 1st, 2nd or 3rd peep ?

I hope Mick is reading this. Brilliant.

 

[Supa Shrimpa]

Sorry, I was just being sarcastic to those that think you should blow exactly when the watch says so....:unsure:

 

[AndyT]

Football should just be 30 minutes per half with the clock stopped every time there is a stoppage of some sort or the ball goes out of play.

The whistle goes at the next stoppage after 30 minutes is up.