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Angell Delight

Life President
True to my word I feel it is extremely necessary to post on here that I was WRONG about Harrold. So much so infact that I am questioning whether or not he actually is the same bloke who looked so dreadful in the games I lined in over at Harlow Town in 2002. I see Dave Kitson's not in the Reading side at the moment - hmmm.......

Seriously though absolutely fantastic he was last night and without doubt should start at the Hawthorns, Freddy looked a LOT more comfortable playing alongside him too which should also be a deciding factor.

OK Paynter and JCR....(sigh)....unfortunately last night simply backed up my opinions on both and I'm not gonna go into what those are as you all know, many have slated me on here in the last few weeks for them so they should be fresh in your mind. I really can't believe JCR is preferred over Cole, yes we can all see Mitch has a couple of flaws in his game that definitely need to be improved but the fact remains he does at least get to the line and put balls into the box - and with Harrold in there hopefully from now on we NEED wingers who actually cross the ball!!! JCR put a measly TWO balls in last night (still more than normal I guess) and neither of them beat the 1st man anyway, both were about a foot-and-a-half off the ground!!! With Gower on the right and Cole left at least we'd have 2 balanced widemen who get to the line and deliver on a regular basis.

Thought Clarke and Hammell had particularly poor games last night defensively, hopefully this will just be a one-off as we all know they have quality (Efe is definitely needed though, there's no way we'd have shipped 3 last night if he was playing). On the plus side with Hammell his set-pieces are a peach, not just his goal but corners last night were excellent. The height and subsequent dip make it extremely difficult for the opposition to defend and this gives us a big advantage as having got used to them our lads will have a better idea of exactly where they're going whereas for the opposition Hammell's set-pieces must be a nightmare as they're not flat deliveries.

On the other subs Hunt was immense and Hooper looked extremely tidy with a great touch and a clever brain for such a young lad - hopefully both have played themselves into first-team contention for Saturday. With Coley gone I personally would rather see Hooper down the right than JCR but I very much doubt that will happen. I'd like to see Hunt given a go in midfield with Super Kev to be honest as Gutts is clearly out of form and needs a spell on the bench as having been patient with him I do feel last nights display was one bad performance too many.

Francis and Maher in particular were magnificent last night, quite how neither of them got MotM I'll never know. The sponsors are muppets and can't know anything about football - the only reason Hammell got the award was clearly because of his free-kick!! Feel I should also mention Francis' deliveries from the right, a couple in particular in the 2nd half were Beckham-esque in that he didn't even need to beat his man to deliver measured outswingers into the 6-yard-box which we were very unlucky not to score from. More of the same please - and JCR take note  
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Was speaking to some Norwich fans on the way out and they were understandably gutted, the one thing they said we had in that 2nd half that they didn't hence the reason we deserved the point was BATTLE and I didn't disagree with them. Yes we can't afford to defend like that every week but if we continue to show the same battling qualities we'll be fine come May.

Was also nice to meet a fellow Zoner on the walk back to the car in the shape of The Fitter, pleasure to meet you mate!!

Ratings:

Flahavan - 6
Francis - 8
Hammell - 6
Barrett - 7
Clarke - 5
Gower - 6
Maher - 9
Guttridge - 4
Campbell-Ryce - 4
Eastwood - 7
Paynter - 5

Subs:

Hunt - 8
Hooper - 7
Harrold - 8

Finally massive credit to Tilly for 3 early subs that changed the course of the game, brilliant!
 
I agree with all of this! (the original post, just in case I'm about the 8th reply by the time I press the `post' button)

I like JCRs work rate (so I won't get on his back) but unfortunately that's all I like about him. Another thing to note, when he went off that freed Francis up to get forward and put his crosses in. Sometimes I think JCR gets in the way of Francis doing that.

Maher was the only guy to play well for 90 minutes last night. The rest had 30 minutes off in the middle. Barrett played well also.

As for Harrold, it's still early days but maybe he can be used as an example when people jump to conclusions so quickly in future and say the club has lost its way before the guy has ever kicked a ball for the club! (two hopes, I guess
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) When he was signed I said I'd like to see him in a Blue shirt before I judged. Now I have and obviously the boy has a bit about him. Hope he continues on the form of last night.
 
Angell Delight eating humble pie - oh I love it!!
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Perhaps this will teach you to actually watch players before giving them a slating
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Yes, me too - humble pie for breakfast, lunch, dinner and a late night snack for me today. I questioned Tilly's judgement on a signing for the first time with Harrold. I was wrong, the guy looked f%&king fantastic last night.
 
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Quote[/b] (statski77 @ Sep. 13 2006,11:38)]Angell Delight eating humble pie - oh I love it!!
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Perhaps this will teach you to actually watch players before giving them a slating
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In fairness I HAD watched him in the past, infact I'd PARTICIPATED in 5 of his games in the past so I think I was well within my rights to form the first impression that as he was dreadful for lil' old Harlow Town only 4 seasons ago he is unlikely to have improved to such a massive (more than massive on last nights performance) extent that he was worthy of Championship football. So there was nothing wrong with my groaning about the signing at first, however that initial impression has indeed proved to be wrong and I have absolutely no problem admitting that - infact I'm delighted to do so.

Still at least when I form an opinion I stick by my instincts until I see the player in action for Southend United before declaring whether I was right or wrong - when we signed Efe you had a post on the 1st page saying "can't understand this, poor signing" then on page 3 or 4 after many other Zoners posting "great signing - just what we need!" your opinion dramatically changed lol!!! Dear old statski, so easily lead........

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Quote[/b] (statski77 @ Sep. 13 2006,11:38)]Angell Delight eating humble pie - oh I love it!!
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Perhaps this will teach you to actually watch players before giving them a slating
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In fairness I HAD watched him in the past, infact I'd PARTICIPATED in 5 of his games in the past so I think I was well within my rights to form the first impression that as he was dreadful for lil' old Harlow Town only 4 seasons ago he is unlikely to have improved to such a massive (more than massive on last nights performance) extent that he was worthy of Championship football. So there was nothing wrong with my groaning about the signing at first, however that initial impression has indeed proved to be wrong and I have absolutely no problem admitting that - infact I'm delighted to do so.

Still at least when I form an opinion I stick by my instincts until I see the player in action for Southend United before declaring whether I was right or wrong - when we signed Efe you had a post on the 1st page saying "can't understand this, poor signing" then on page 3 or 4 after many other Zoners posting "great signing - just what we need!" your opinion dramatically changed lol!!! Dear old statski, so easily lead........

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Yeah but you should wait for them to kick to ball in a BLUE shirt before slating them

My only concern over efe was his age, I didnt question his talent

Talent oh yes your a good judge of that, I recall that you once referred to Tony Richards as GOD and also said that Gordon Connelly would be a cracking signing for us
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Your full of so much tripe
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Quote[/b] (Angell Delight @ Sep. 13 2006,11:17)]True to my word I feel it is extremely necessary to post on here that I was WRONG about Harrold.
Fair play to you, mate.
 
Good post.

Harrold was much better than I expected too, truth be told but I didn't want to judge him before playing for Southend, much like Ricketts really.

Possibly more remarkable was how well Hooper coped with being thrown in to one of the most intense games I've ever seen at the Hall. For someone so inexperienced, he did incredibly well and I only recall one time where he sold a team mate short. Apart from that, it was all very composed and confident. Could be a real talent
 
Credit where due AD.  You & I had several debates last year over your view of JCR and the value you thought we were getting.  As I said on many of those occasions he's not a bad player, but not worth what we were supposed to be paying.  You stuck to your view IMO despite what we'd seen of him.

It appears you've accepted that he really doesn't produce much for the money we were due to have to paid and I'd open that up to anyone.  We were supposed to have agreed to pay anywhere between £100k or + VAT or plus his loan wages etc or a total of £140k dependant on whose account you believed.  Ignore the much lesser figure we are thought to have paid.  Does any out there still reckon that, let's say, a rough mid point of what Rotherham wanted at £125k would be value for money for JCR.  Or the other way, if we were trying to sell JCR, how much is he worth?  
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Quote[/b] (statski77 @ Sep. 13 2006,14:06)]Talent oh yes your a good judge of that, I recall that you once referred to Tony Richards as GOD and also said that Gordon Connelly would be a cracking signing for us
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Not ONCE did I say Pony Richards was GOD lol!! I don't know where you get your imagination from!! You phoned me up to let me know we were signing Richards anyway and said we'd agreed a fee.....if you remember back my response to that was "Agreed a fee? What do you mean we've agreed a fee? You mean we're PAYING for him?!!!!!" Hardly likely then that given his performances and goalscoring record at Roots Hall after this I am later going to refer to him as "God" lol!!

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Maybe you misheard me as I may have said "GOOD God...." a few times when he was on the ball!!!!!

As for Connelly I never said he'd be a cracking signing as I knew bugger all about the lad - never heard of him!! You are mixing him up with Tinkler who I said WOULD be a cracking signing, which eventually he proved to be.
 
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Quote[/b] (Hooly @ Sep. 13 2006,15:00)]Credit where due AD.  You & I had several debates last year over your view of JCR and the value you thought we were getting.  As I said on many of those occasions he's not a bad player, but not worth what we were supposed to be paying.  You stuck to your view IMO despite what we'd seen of him.

It appears you've accepted that he really doesn't produce much for the money we were due to have to paid and I'd open that up to anyone.  We were supposed to have agreed to pay anywhere between £100k or + VAT or plus his loan wages etc or a total of £140k dependant on whose account you believed.  Ignore the much lesser figure we are thought to have paid.  Does any out there still reckon that, let's say, a rough mid point of what Rotherham wanted at £125k would be value for money for JCR.  Or the other way, if we were trying to sell JCR, how much is he worth?  
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Yeah I gotta say Hooly you were right all along so fair play to you. It wasn't like I couldn't see some of what you were saying was true I just thought that with Tilly/Brush advising JCR in training he'd hone his game and start getting balls over and actually producing something for the team - I'm still waiting and I accept now that if it hasn't happened already it won't ever happen. Freddy was selfish when he first came here and the management team knocked that out of him and turned him into a player who creates nearly as many as he scores in pretty quick time, certainly a lot shorter than JCR has been at this club now and we've seen no change in him whatsoever. What got on my nerves at the time was that some people were blaming our dip in form solely on JCR when it was blatantly obvious the loss of Gutts had a massive impact on our season at that time. Luke's was the biggest factor but I can now however believe JCR's inclusion had at least something to do with our lack of points in the back end of 2005.

When he first signed on loan he looked impressive (with his pace and trickery I think it masks his ineffectiveness somewhat) and it's only now that I've seen a lot more of him that I realise he poses more problems for us than he solves and I'd rather see Cole in (when he comes back) on the left and Gower right or even Hooper in for JCR in the meantime but it won't happen.

I think more and more people on here now are realising the flaws in JCR's game and it's a real shame as he's such a talent, fair play to you though Hooly you spotted it way ahead of the vast majority of posters on here - in terms of the debates you and I had on here at the end of 2005 there is only one winner.....and it isn't me!!
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Quote[/b] (Angell Delight @ Sep. 13 2006,10:17)]Was also nice to meet a fellow Zoner on the walk back to the car in the shape of The Fitter, pleasure to meet you mate!!
Good to meet you also.
And well done for being true to your word on Ginge.
Look forward to seeing you eat your next slice of humble pie when JCR runs West Brom ragged.
 
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Quote[/b] (Angell Delight @ Sep. 13 2006,15:24)]in terms of the debates you and I had on here at the end of 2005 there is only one winner.....
No AD, there's no winner.  I'm not here, like others would, to harp on as to who was wrong or right.  We had a number of sensible conversations despite that fact that we don't know each other & didn't call each other silly names or slag off the players by calling them gutless or pathetic.

We just happened to have a different view which we tried to explain to each other, a concept I was pointing out in another thread is sadly lacking on this board at the moment.  As it happens JCR is currently disappointing both of us, as after the 1st couple of games I had high hopes for him.  But his lack of end product is costing us and as with Paynter I don't think we're good enough the carry passengers.  JCR's got all the talent, just like Ricky Otto.  But at the moment JCR's not producing anywhere near what he did, and Otto used to annoy the hell out of me on occasions.

Hopefully Tilly & Brush will bash some sense into JCR & we'll get the player you wanted, but I think not.
 
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Quote[/b] (The Fitter @ Sep. 13 2006,15:33)]Look forward to seeing you eat your next slice of humble pie when JCR runs West Brom ragged.
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Like Harrold I really hope you're right mate I just don't see it that's all. C'mon JCR prove me wrong, I'm not afraid of looking an idiot on here.......

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Quote[/b] (Angell Delight @ Sep. 13 2006,15:24)]in terms of the debates you and I had on here at the end of 2005 there is only one winner.....
No AD, there's no winner.  I'm not here, like others would, to harp on as to who was wrong or right.  We had a number of sensible conversations despite that fact that we don't know each other & didn't call each other silly names or slag off the players by calling them gutless or pathetic.

We just happened to have a different view which we tried to explain to each other, a concept I was pointing out in another thread is sadly lacking on this board at the moment.  As it happens JCR is currently disappointing both of us, as after the 1st couple of games I had high hopes for him.  But his lack of end product is costing us and as with Paynter I don't think we're good enough the carry passengers.  JCR's got all the talent, just like Ricky Otto.  But at the moment JCR's not producing anywhere near what he did, and Otto used to annoy the hell out of me on occasions.

Hopefully Tilly & Brush will bash some sense into JCR & we'll get the player you wanted, but I think not.
Very well said, and as you rightly point out there is no winner as unlike certain threads on here it wasn't about being wrong or right it was just two honest and varied opinions. The way I put it was inaccurate, what I should have said was I now most definitely subscribe to the same opinion as you - it just took me a lot longer to realise it. I really hope the management can knock some sense into JCR too but as you said I very much doubt it, if it was ever likely to it would have happened by now and we wouldn't need to be having this discussion.

On Otto I know what you mean he was an extremely talented player but he frustrated me at times too. His delivery was often poor but he scored goals and got to the line on occasions which JCR doesn't, Otto was certainly more direct and unlike JCR used his pace and trickery to much better effect. I got the impression when Otto was here that if he tweaked his game in a few areas he could have easily played in the top flight but at the time £800k was a great deal for us. I do see similarities between JCR and Otto and I completely understand where you're coming from on that one but for me of the two I'd take Otto every single time - he gave a LOT more to that particular team than JCR does for us now.
 
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Quote[/b] (Angell Delight @ Sep. 13 2006,15:59)]I'm not afraid of looking an idiot on here.......

 
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True to his word Angell Delight is not afraid of looking like an idiot
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