Man U fans in home end

[The Flying Scotsman]

Some valid points from locked threads for continued discussion:

TFS

Quote[/b] ]Would have added my comment in the correct topic before it was locked, but In reference to Mikes quote above, do you not think that chanting for the away team in the home end is provocation regardless of where there support is directed. Anyone starts chanting Man U songs near me will soon be told in no uncertain terms where they should go.

Smiffy

Quote[/b] ]Well said FS, this is the stance I shall also be taking, unless it is a woman or young child of course...

Any male over 18 is fair game for some abuse in my book.

Stickyboy

Quote[/b] ]Dont think anyone will be too bothered if any Man Utd fans are just sitting there watching the game, if they stand up in our end and start singing then its different. On the other hand if they get up and start singing its likely to get any Southend fans up for singing more to shut them up so could work out better for atmos.

Smiffy

Quote[/b] ]If any Mancs sing in the home ends, it will raise the atmosphere, but it will also help turn it nasty...

Joolz

Quote[/b] ]OK, I'll add this.

Generally speaking I don't dislike Man U fans at all, but I do dislike southern based Man U fans who have no connection with the club whatsoever, and will probably jump ship as soon as another team starts to dominate and United don't win anything for a couple of seasons.

And I especially dislike the fact that some of these fans have acquired tickets for the game at the expense of some very genuine and lloyal Southend fans. If they are so desparate to see them play, why don't they go to Old Trafford instead, where at least they will see the first team?

So I don't understand why we should be tolerant of Man U fans in the home end. If we want to generate an intimidating atmosphere at Roots Hall, we aren't going to do it by being 'one big happy family' all sitting together

Spanish Numpty

Quote[/b] ]But my point is: there's a good chance that there will be a lot of kids in the ground on Tuesday night. Kids probably won't understand the concept of provocation on a scale conducive to football. They will be watching Manchester United - their team - and they will most probably sing the praises of that team. And I'm sure (hope?) most people here will understand that there is nothing wrong with that? Which is my point. If it's a bunch of kids, are you really going to advocate the use of strong-arm tactics to get them out of the home areas?

Spanish Numpty

Quote[/b] ]Whilst I understand that point, if these genuine and loyal fans really wanted to attend the game, why didn't they queue up at 4am in the morning to get themselves a ticket? These Manchester United fans were desperate to see their team play (they might not get the chance to do so otherwise) so they suffered numbing cold on Tuesday night and fully deserve a ticket. As does Aberdeen Shrimper, who drove down from the Highlands because he desperately wanted to go, which kinda puts a shuddering halt to all those complaints from exiles, eh?

HKB

Quote[/b] ]If I see a kid wearing a Man U scarf in the home end I'm certainly going to make a comment.

Wearing another team's colours in the home end is wrong.

Joolz

Quote[/b] ](re: fans not queuing up at 4.30)I don't know, any number or reasons. Work commitments, not wanting to leave young kids alone in the house at night, sleep! Just because someone is a genuine and lloyal fan, it doesn't make them a nutter!

TFS

Quote[/b] ]And lets be perfectly honest about it, who would have thought you would have missed out if you hadn't been there by 8.30ish. I certainly didn't.

 

[Xàbia Shrimper]

Thanks, Sweaty.

Joolz said:

Quote[/b] ]I don't know, any number or reasons. Work commitments, not wanting to leave young kids alone in the house at night, sleep! Just because someone is a genuine and lloyal fan, it doesn't make them a nutter!

I understand that people have other priorities. But, if they really wanted to attend this game, they would have found ways to procure a ticket. Others in the same situation did ...

 

[Rayleigh boy]

Should a Manchester United fan abuse the hospitality offered
at Roots Hall by locating themselves in the seats reserved for
home supporters and by then celebrating any success the visiting team may enjoy the appropriate action is to call the stewards and insist on that persons removal. They are clearly in breach of ground regulations and it is best for everyone if they leave.

This provides good sport at some Premiership grounds and there is some compensation when the opposition score in seeing obnoxious and loud celebrants being escorted out.

Obviously good natured SUFC fans will tolerate youngsters
and families groups but it is best to get any determined Manchester United supporters out so that start there long journey back to Exeter or wherever they come from.

 

[simac21]

a "HOME" end means exactly that is that not true??
Man Utd are the only team i actually HATE.
So if Any man utd is sitting in our end i think they shud be chucked out!!

MY OWN OPINION BEFORE EVERYONE STARTS GETTIN ABUSIVE

 

[shrimperman]

Just something to bear in mind, would you be expected to get chucked out for being in the away end?

 

[shrimper_sam]

Quote[/b] (shrimperman @ Nov. 03 2006,16:41)]Just something to bear in mind, would you be expected to get chucked out for  being in the away end?

yes.

 

[Duffy the Super Shrimper]

Agree with simac 21. I wouldn't dream of going into the home end at Old TRafford to watch Southend, i'm sure they wouldn't like it much either - so why on earth are all these part time supporters getting tickets for home fans. if they really supported man u, they would either be a season ticket holder or know of one. the only man utd fans i will be sociable with are those who had to go to the copenhagen game (i think thats right) to get themselves tickets for the game and are sitting in the right stand!

 

[Beefy]

Theres going to be a lot of United fans there in the Southend end. We know that. If they're respectful, or they're too young to know different then I'm sure people are going to turn a blind eye to it.

If, though, other supporters who are old enough to know better start jumping around when United score or start joining in songs with the fans in the away end then I'd expect them to be ejected from the ground, preferably over the roof of the South Stand.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Quote[/b] (Beefy @ Nov. 03 2006,18:14)]Theres going to be a lot of United fans there in the Southend end. We know that. If they're respectful, or they're too young to know different then I'm sure people are going to turn a blind eye to it.

If, though, other supporters who are old enough to know better start jumping around when United score or start joining in songs with the fans in the away end then I'd expect them to be ejected from the ground, preferably over the roof of the South Stand.

Precisely!

 

[South Bank Hank]

Quote[/b] (Beefy @ Nov. 03 2006,18:14)]Theres going to be a lot of United fans there in the Southend end. We know that. If they're respectful, or they're too young to know different then I'm sure people are going to turn a blind eye to it.

If, though, other supporters who are old enough to know better start jumping around when United score or start joining in songs with the fans in the away end then I'd expect them to be ejected from the ground, preferably over the roof of the South Stand.

Superbly put.

 

[Xàbia Shrimper]

By all accounts (on various MUFC forums), it would appear that there will be in excess of 1,000 Man Ure fans in the home areas; great ticketing policy from Southend United ...

 

[Beefy]

I can't see how those figures could be right, unless half the tickets on wednesday went to Man United fans.

 

[Xàbia Shrimper]

Neither can I. But just a heads up ...

 

[Beefy]

Yeah I know. Truth be told, I don't think we're going to know what the real situation is going to be on tuesday until the first goal goes in on the night.

 

[GavieB]

Quote[/b] (Xàbia Shrimper @ Nov. 03 2006,14:19)]Thanks, Sweaty.

Joolz said:

Quote[/b] ]I don't know, any number or reasons. Work commitments, not wanting to leave young kids alone in the house at night, sleep! Just because someone is a genuine and lloyal fan, it doesn't make them a nutter!

I understand that people have other priorities. But, if they really wanted to attend this game, they would have found ways to procure a ticket. Others in the same situation did ...

Didn't I say something along the same lines about Playoff final tickets that you shot down?

 

[MK Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (Xàbia Shrimper @ Nov. 03 2006,18:33)]By all accounts (on various MUFC forums), it would appear that there will be in excess of 1,000 Man Ure fans in the home areas; great ticketing policy from Southend United ...

If this turns out to be true, I think somebody should be given the push. Absolute shambles.

 

[Xàbia Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (GavieB @ Nov. 04 2006,13:47)]

Quote[/b] (Xàbia Shrimper @ Nov. 03 2006,14:19)]
I understand that people have other priorities. But, if they really wanted to attend this game, they would have found ways to procure a ticket. Others in the same situation did ...

Didn't I say something along the same lines about Playoff final tickets that you shot down?

No. You slagged people off for not being loyal supporters and not attending the play-off final at the Millennium Stadium in Cardiff.

In response I suggested that a hefty majority might be less inclined to make yet another long, expensive trip to Wales, yet that does not make them any less loyal than those who did. The Manchester United game is at Roots Hall in Southend-on-Sea; the maximum outlay is £30 for the ticket, a few more of programme and refreshments, say £40-£45. A day out in Cardiff is significantly more than that; people had to make a choice. But that didn't make them disloyal ...

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Quote[/b] (Xàbia Shrimper @ Nov. 04 2006,14:17)]The Manchester United game is at Roots Hall in Southend-on-Sea; the maximum outlay is £30 for the ticket, a few more of programme and refreshments, say £40-£45. A day out in Cardiff is significantly more than that; people had to make a choice. But that didn't make them disloyal ...

I dare say some very very loyal supporters missed out because they simply couldnt afford it.

We have to be a little careful when linking loyalty to situations where economic factors come into play.

 

[Xàbia Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (Spaceman Spiff @ Nov. 04 2006,15:22)]

Quote[/b] (Xàbia Shrimper @ Nov. 04 2006,14:17)]The Manchester United game is at Roots Hall in Southend-on-Sea; the maximum outlay is £30 for the ticket, a few more of programme and refreshments, say £40-£45. A day out in Cardiff is significantly more than that; people had to make a choice. But that didn't make them disloyal ...

I dare say some very very loyal supporters missed out because they simply couldnt afford it.

We have to be a little careful when linking loyalty to situations where economic factors come into play.

Exactly the point I was trying to make. I would have loved to have been there but it would have cost me in excess of €250, let alone flights, accommodation and match tickets for Mrs XS. But does that make us any less loyal that those who were lucky enough to be able to afford to go? I would say no - and will question anyone who suggests otherwise. In the end, we spent a very enjoyable afternoon in our local, spent less than €50 and celebrated the promotion of OUR team ...

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Quote[/b] (Xàbia Shrimper @ Nov. 04 2006,14:27)]

Quote[/b] (Spaceman Spiff @ Nov. 04 2006,15:22)]

Quote[/b] (Xàbia Shrimper @ Nov. 04 2006,14:17)]The Manchester United game is at Roots Hall in Southend-on-Sea; the maximum outlay is £30 for the ticket, a few more of programme and refreshments, say £40-£45. A day out in Cardiff is significantly more than that; people had to make a choice. But that didn't make them disloyal ...

I dare say some very very loyal supporters missed out because they simply couldnt afford it.

We have to be a little careful when linking loyalty to situations where economic factors come into play.

Exactly the point I was trying to make. I would have loved to have been there but it would have cost me in excess of €250, let alone flights, accommodation and match tickets for Mrs XS. But does that make us any less loyal that those who were lucky enough to be able to afford to go? I would say no - and will question anyone who suggests otherwise. In the end, we spent a very enjoyable afternoon in our local, spent less than €50 and celebrated the promotion of OUR team ...

We're in agreement. Where are the flags?