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bazzashrimper

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There is a lot of talk about 3 up 3 down from the national league. I wonder if there is a need for a bigger change to the status quo though?

The national league is a tinpot organisation. This ticket issue is the kind of thing where a better organisation would have booked in the dates around the time that the EFL did it and then there is no problem here.

What really is the difference, for football, between the national league prem and what could be a league 3 of the EFL? Why not push for this and to lose the chaos that comes with the inept national league? And with that - 3 up 3 down from this league would just happen.
 
Yes. They are absolutely useless. No idea how to run a large scale operation. Needs to be taken over by the efl and that’s saying something.
 
League 3 should happen, you only have to look at the attendances in the National league to realise that. Not to mention that (correct me if I’m wrong) all national league clubs are full time
 
I was at a Finnish premiership game yesterday between two teams in the lower half of the table. Slightly over 2000 in attendance, and I could count the away supporters on my fingers and toes.

Both Finnish teams would struggle to make mid-table in the National League. This is a league with three European competition places (qualifier rounds, but still).

The English 5th tier as 'non-league' really doesn't match the standard of football on display, and we all know what a joke the single automatic promotion place is.

Bring the 5th tier into the EFL and let the National League focus on semi-pro and part-time football in regional leagues.
 
bazzashrimper said:
There is a lot of talk about 3 up 3 down from the national league. I wonder if there is a need for a bigger change to the status quo though?

The national league is a tinpot organisation. This ticket issue is the kind of thing where a better organisation would have booked in the dates around the time that the EFL did it and then there is no problem here.

What really is the difference, for football, between the national league prem and what could be a league 3 of the EFL? Why not push for this and to lose the chaos that comes with the inept national league? And with that - 3 up 3 down from this league would just happen.
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The only difference is the only people asking this question have been relegated to non league... us included.

But yes its long overdue. The rational was non league being part timers etc which is no longer valid.

Prem
Champ
Div 1
Div 2
Div 3
Nl north and south
 
Tbh 20 teams in the prem and 24 teams in the other leagues is far too many. Look at the quality of the promoted teams to prem majority always get relegated next season.

I propose a change.

Prem - 16 teams
Championship - 20 yeams
League 1 - 20 teams
League 2 - 20 teams
League 2 - 20 teams

96 pro teams then . 3 up and 3 down every season.
 
Agreed. This division is national in scope and filled with professional teams, so I'm not sure what sets it apart from League 2 at this point, other than the fact that frankly its quality is often better. Bring it into the EFL and let non-league consist of regional leagues with semi-professional teams.
 
Also the reason a League three won exist in the current format of 24 teams is because the teams coming up from north and south are not always pro teams. They need to shorten the league like I mentioned above tbh. The quality of the leagues needs to be more compact it would be such a better pyramid system with less teams then 24.
 
Realist said:
Tbh 20 teams in the prem and 24 teams in the other leagues is far too many. Look at the quality of the promoted teams to prem majority always get relegated next season.

I propose a change.

Prem - 16 teams
Championship - 20 yeams
League 1 - 20 teams
League 2 - 20 teams
League 2 - 20 teams

96 pro teams then . 3 up and 3 down every season.
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I don't think that would help unfortunately, it's the amount of money you earn simply for being in the premier league that's the problem - reducing the number of clubs won't help. Wolves for example last season finished 14th but earned £130m just from TV broadcasting deals and prize money, and that's before you factor in ticket sales and sponsorship deals. Meanwhile a championship club can expect about £10m from TV revenue and prize money a season.

If you can survive a couple of seasons then you can solidify your position in the league (as Brighton and Brentford have done) but you're at a massive financial disadvantage until then.
 
bazzashrimper said:
There is a lot of talk about 3 up 3 down from the national league. I wonder if there is a need for a bigger change to the status quo though?

The national league is a tinpot organisation. This ticket issue is the kind of thing where a better organisation would have booked in the dates around the time that the EFL did it and then there is no problem here.

What really is the difference, for football, between the national league prem and what could be a league 3 of the EFL? Why not push for this and to lose the chaos that comes with the inept national league? And with that - 3 up 3 down from this league would just happen.
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I think you make a very good point.

There is definitely a logic to having the predominantly full time NL under the EFL.

I wonder how many of the smaller NL teams would support this? Would NL3 teams be ineligible for the Trophy and receive a bye to the first round of the cup?
 
I have watched quite a lot of conference footie over the last 20 years & the quality of the game played has improved massively. Midfielders used to be largely "superflous" as the ball was hoofed from defence up to the opposition box & then back again.

Having said that there does seem to be quite a gap between the top teams in the Conference & those at the bottom. Well done to Braintree & Boston for adapting & getting out of the relegation zone.

And the size of the crowds is quite outstanding at times.

In overall terms, I don't really "value" or agree with the approach of having 3 different organisations running the top 5 leagues in this country. I struggle to see how this is for the benefit of the fans - but do say if you think differently.

I'm not sure all the criticism of the National League management is warranted but there is scope for improvement. Having TFL (The Football League) take on responsibility for the Conference would be a step forward I would say. An "amalgamation" perhaps?

I don't wish relegation on any team (as we know it can be awful) but seeing some "top teams" (as their fans would describe them) close to the drop in the top division is refreshing.

Very much in favour of the 3 up & 3 down.
 
3 up and down with 100 teams, relegation from the bottom tier being 3 or 4 to account for regional league depending on top of non league is structured.
 
Can’t see there being much appetite for reduction in numbers, other than the top of the PL. 20 games is 3 less gate receipts than 23 home games. The prem would of course drop league matches to increase number of lucrative friendly games around the world.
 
I think there would firstly have to be an appetite from the EFL to take another 24 clubs under their wing, and I then wonder how the NL would survive if it was only the part time clubs who were members.
 
There's a lot of additional stuff that benefits and protects players when under the EFL umbrella. Pensions, insurance for injuries, union representation, academy funding, protection from 4g pitches etc..... This is all extra admin and it's associated cost if the EFL did this.
on a separate noye, quite a few clubs in the NL regional leagues are now choosing to go full time (e.g. Chelmsford)
 
If we don't win at Wembley, I'd suggest renaming it the Third Division rather than League Three. That way, we could claim to be in the division where we've spent most of our history. And if things went really badly, we'd only be back in the Third Division South.
 
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