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Angell Delight

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Tilly will always have my utmost respect for the fantastic job he has done at Southend United, I love the guy - he's a legend. I'd also love to see him stay here for many, many years to come, it would take an awful lot for my feelings to change on that score.

However I'm frustrated at the moment as it's blatantly obvious that this is the least creative side I've seen in 22 years as a Shrimper. In the last 2 games the only time we've looked threatening is after Laurent and Freedman's introduction, yet they still remain on the bench. Tilly obviously has no problem with adopting a negative team selection this season, the fact is we have 4 central midfielders playing in midfield and only one of them can (a) pass it and (b) keep it - (both Moussa). Some people may believe that playing Granty down the right and Moussa left-side makes us very hard to break down. I'd like to put another suggestion to those people, if you don't have players in your line-up who can pass or keep the ball you are going to give it straight back to the opposition most of the time which is arguably actually putting more pressure on our back-line than it would if we had players who were better technically. Yes when we have to defend we are reasonably well equipped but sooner or later that pressure is going to tell.

Both Laurent and Freedman not only have the ability to keep the ball they are also the only other creative sparks in the squad bar Moussa/Franno (I'm discounting Sawyer for the moment as Tilly clearly doesn't fancy him at all despite the fans calls) and when you have a poacher like Barney the service they can provide for him is absolutely invaluable. It bothers me that we are adopting such a negative approach to games and I can't believe Tilly and Brush can't see how much more dangerous we look with Laurent and Freedman in the side, it was clearly apparent both on Saturday and again last night.

After two quite shocking performances I think changes are definitely needed and it is time to "rest" those players that aren't performing and inject some badly-needed creativity into this side. Personally I'd move Granty into the centre with Jeff. I'd like to eventually see Grant and Sawyer in there as a pair given that Jeff hasn't been great recently either but maybe too many changes at once would be naive. Sawyer would add much needed spark from central midfield though and also a goalscoring threat in comparison to the others, I really can't understand why Tilly doesn't give him an opportunity in his favoured position. Macca seems undroppable though despite his consistently poor form and it's hurting us. I also really think we'd benefit from giving Laurent the chance to stake a claim down the right side. He said that's where he wants to play, I'd give him a chance there - I really think he could be one of the best wingers in this league; outrageous skill, pace and to be honest a terrific delivery too and that's exactly what we need. He could also provide a goalscoring threat from midfield which is sorely lacking at the moment and would be a welcome boost (Sawyer too if he is ever picked). If I were Tilly I'd tell Laurent that's he's got to track back when we don't have the ball though and provide Franno with a bit of support back there. If Laurent blows it then that's his responsibility and I doubt he'll get another chance out wide but I really don't see we've got much to lose as the system we have simply doesn't work IMHO. If Laurent wants to play there he'll know he'll be expected to help out defensivley.

I'd also bring Freedman in up top, he showed last season before his long-term injury what a great player he could be at this level. He scored 4 in his first 4, he made chances (he also looked dangerous and created opportunities both on Saturday and last night) and now he's fully fit I'd love to see him back in the side. I really think Barnard would benefit hugely from both Laurent and Freedman's introduction. O'Donovan is just so ineffective; he has a dreadful first touch, I haven't seen him challenge for the ball either aerially or on the floor once yet and he plays so far away from his strike-partner. Yes the service is poor but Barney is still managing to look sharp and reasonably threatening. I don't wanna slate the guy but compared to Laurent/Freedman he looks totally out of his depth IMHO. I'm so glad we didn't splash £400k on him a couple of years back. I just think he's keeping better players out of the side and it's doing us no favours, no doubt Tilly feels he has to play him though. I'd be a bit miffed if I was Laurent, 2 very good performances back in the side against Orient and Leeds and he's dropped. Next game he comes on at Brighton and scores a fantastic solo goal and still hasn't troubled the starting line up since. I wouldn't mind if O'Donovan was playing well but he's been totally anonmous in all 3 games so far, one thing you can say about Laurent is that he's never anonymous.

It goes without saying we need M'voto back fit asap but I believe our problems run much deeper than that, I don't like the way we approach games and I really do hope that changes over the course of the season.

P.S. Having read the Mildy pen thread I can't believe some are critcising a keeper for not saving penalties. Some keepers are better penalty savers than others, obviously more agile keepers have a better chance of stopping them and I wouldn't class Mildenhall as a particular agile goalkeeper when compared to Flahavan who saved a few for us. The vast majority of penalties are scored anyway, the taker is expected to score. I think it's far more important to have a half decent shot-stopper who can command his area which he did last night (and did so very well again). I'd class him as a good keeper for this level, we could certainly do a lot worse - and my heart isn't in my mouth each time a cross/set-piece comes in as it always was with the (otherwise very competent) Flahavan.
 
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i wanted tilly to come out and say in his interview after the game. "i messed up, team selection was wrong. i take full blame we were too negative. we will sort it out during the week and training and you see a better team at the weekend.

instead. ref blah blah blah. same old excuse mate
 
Grant and Macca have to be in the middle for me. JFC on the bench as back-up along with Sawyer. Laurent out wide on the right. Moussa on the left.
 
i wanted tilly to come out and say in his interview after the game. "i messed up, team selection was wrong. i take full blame we were too negative. we will sort it out during the week and training and you see a better team at the weekend.

instead. ref blah blah blah. same old excuse mate

I don't understand the fascination with what Tilly says in interviews. I'd rather he keep the squad happy then give sound bites to appease those who want to find blame and fault.

If he was to admit team selection was wrong, then that is not going to be too great for morale of those who played. Id rather he be spending his energy talking to the players identifying what went wrong and how to address those areas rather then do so through the press.
 
The best post on here in a very long time. I pretty much Echo those sentiments.

Steve Tilson has, of course, worked wonders with us but he does, and always has, dome things that frustrate me! I think he can sometimes be stubborn in his team selection when things aren't working out and some players get frozen out.

Now, there may or may not be valid reasons but players such as Ritchie Foran, Gary Hooper, Kevin Maher have been left out of the side with no reason given by the management (I know we know the reasons in some instances) and this seems to be the case now with the likes of Herd, Sawyer and Freedman while he seems to lack the guile to drop certain players such as Barrett, Moussa, McCormack. I'm not saying these players should be left out the side at the moment, but no matter how poorly they play, they won't be.

DtS has a valid point in that a defensive midfield isn't so bad away from home, but as AD stated, their play has been so lax that it adds pressure to our already not particularly solid backline. Freedman, at least, provides a link between attack and midfield with clever positioning and his ability to create time for himself and pick the right pass. If anything, he could play away from home slightly behind Barnard providing a link down the middle and with the ball at feet.

However, should we change the team depending on whether we are home or away? Personally I'd suggest not. We are lacking attacking prowess hugely and it stems from the midfield.

Anthony Grant, in partucarly, is no use to us as an attacking threat on the left. He's a grafter and he will track-back well and is definitely an asset at the back - but for me that's the full-back's job. McCormack and Christophe are similar players; harding working, gritty midfielders with little natural ability but ample enthusiasm. I think oner of them has to stand aside to allow either Moussa or Sawyer to add a creative edge with the freedom to make runs from midfield. Personally I'd suggest Moussa who is lost on the leftnk, but a central midfielder with the ability to lose his opponent, drfift into space and create space for others with clever midfield runs.

Sawyer is preferably a central midfielder, but would give us more on the left than Moussa does with added pace and a greater ability to beat players and get a ball into the box. Of course he can then drift into the middle to cover for Moussa getting further forward.

Francis Laurent is far from a fantastic footballer, but he is always a threat. he has pace and strength on on the right hand side will cause problems. I like the way he looks to get wide, stretching the opposition, and always the way he gets to the goalline (I hugely dislike the phrase 'bye-line'!) and cut the ball back. With a frontline of Freedman and Barnard, these are the kind of players with a finishing ability to convert these opportunities. Scannell can also do this, with added skill, but seems to be a bit of a lost cause at the moment with his injury problems.

Money is tight so we're not going to see any quality coming in, but we can do so much more with what we have.
 
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Grant and Macca have to be in the middle for me. JFC on the bench as back-up along with Sawyer. Laurent out wide on the right. Moussa on the left.
I think that's what I would go for as well. Can't believe the constant calls for Macca to be dropped, thought he had a pretty good game last night
 
However I'm frustrated at the moment as it's blatantly obvious that this is the least creative side I've seen in 22 years as a Shrimper.
Can't argue with too much of your post but I'd suggest the above might be a little harsh, we've scored 16 in 12 games this season. Not explosive but I'm pretty sure there has been a hell of a lot worse back in the dark old days!!
 
Not got a problem with a four man central midfield in effect away from home. I think too many times we have been easy to beat and Tilly seems to have found a fairly effective way of conquer that.

I am however disapointed with the home tactics. Fair enough against Leeds but when you have the likes of Oldham I want to see us be a bit more attacking. Maybe Sawyer for JFC and Laurent out wide right for Granty. If you win your homes and draw your aways you going up basically.

I also feel a bit ****ed off with the Sawyer situation. Its so obvious he is a class act and yet we have done nothing to find a way to get him into the side. Cant argue with that when we were winning but now were not I feel its time for him to start.

The real issue as I see it is were missing M'Voto. Neither Francis of Sankofa has really worked in terms of dominance. I feel M'Voto back and were a different side.

Finally I would add that Tilly has done an amazing job and the real issue lies with the **** budget he has to work with. I hope that will be rectified once/if FF gets off the ground.
 
We need Sawyer in the team. The fans were even chanting his name last night. What's the point in getting someone on loan from CHELSEA if you're not going to play him, even when we're not winning matches. McCormack is on a poor run of form and I don't think Christophe offers much. I like Grant and Francis down the right and Moussa is our best option down the left out of our current team. Laurent and Freedman look a good partnership, they did more last night than Barney and O'Donovan, who didn't link at all, did in 70 minutes. Laurent's pace and trickery and Freedman's intelligent movement caused the Brentford defence problems.
 
Can't argue with too much of your post but I'd suggest the above might be a little harsh, we've scored 16 in 12 games this season. Not explosive but I'm pretty sure there has been a hell of a lot worse back in the dark old days!!

Worse players mate I'd say yes certainly, we've had far worse squads before than this one. However with regards to tactics and gameplan I'd say this is definitely the most negative X1 we've ever had. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion though, if yours is different to mine then that's fair enough.
 
We need Sawyer in the team. The fans were even chanting his name last night. What's the point in getting someone on loan from CHELSEA if you're not going to play him, even when we're not winning matches. .

How many more times? We didn't want him, they asked us to take him - there's a difference.
 
How many more times? We didn't want him, they asked us to take him - there's a difference.

Brushy stated at the start of the summer that Sawyer was still on our radar, but we was looking to strenghten elsewhere.

We obviously did want him otherwise we would have told Chelsea we weren't interested. Yes, we didn't make the first move, but who knows, Tilson could have been on the phone everyweek asking about him. On this occasion Chelsea got in touch with us, but it could have been due to the hardwork of Tilson, Brush and Martin.
 
What frustrates me most is the unbalanced composition of our squad. You can say Tilly has limited resources but I dont think he has used those resources to the best he could.
We have

2 centre backs
6 central midfielders
1 winger

The other areas are well covered but its ridiculous that we have 3 times as many central mids we do centre backs.
Sawyer may be a class act but we shouldve spent his wages on getting a winger or another centre back. Why did we not replace Betsy like for like, instead getting in an unnecessary left back?

Personally cant see things improving without a big shake up, probably in january. The quality of the football we have played this season as a whole has frankly been very poor. The clear crisp passing of the Gower/Maher era has been replaced by endless long balls and a sad reliance on our right back for any sort of quality delivery into the 6 yard box.
 
I've heard a rumour sawyer is on 9 grand a week and we are paying 3 grand of it,sorry if this has been posted elsewhere.
 
I've heard a rumour sawyer is on 9 grand a week and we are paying 3 grand of it,sorry if this has been posted elsewhere.

I can't see that being true whatsoever.

We would never pay £3k a week for a loanee at the moment with finances being tight.

I was told when Sawyer was on loan with us last season, Chelsea paid all of his wages for us. I imagine thats the case again.
 
I can't see that being true whatsoever.

We would never pay £3k a week for a loanee at the moment with finances being tight.

I was told when Sawyer was on loan with us last season, Chelsea paid all of his wages for us. I imagine thats the case again.

Your probably right just passing on what i heard i was also told that sawyer had his house repossesed and the csa are after him and he is back living with parents but its only a rumour
 

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