Everyone in our squad is clueless except JCR

[Richard_Cadette]

Well I thought I better balance things up a bit seeing as JCR is the player nearly everybody on here has a problem with, so I thought it only fair to balance it out!!

I am getting sick and fed up of the JCR bashing that takes place on this board, I dont think it would matter if he was better than Pele, someone would have a pop at him, its just beyong comprehension.

Freddie is playing bad, so it must be the fact JCR is in the team!!... Have you ever heard anything so ridiculous in your life? Its absolute nonsense.

On Saturday, JCR would have won MOTM had it not have been for Gower's excellent display, his pace, his CROSSING, his chasing back, his hard work, his commitment were second to none. He managed to deliver a number of high quality balls, but quite frankly, it was like the Mary Celeste in the oppositions box regarding our forwards, but I suppose that is JCR's fault too??

Yes, of course he can be frustrating, but name me one player in our squad who isnt?

Every opposition fan who sees him play always, and I mean, ALWAYS says what a wonderful talent we have, at Palace, there fans were asking how much for him, never mind Freddie, and yet it seems out own cannot appreciate what a gem we have on our hands.

If I was him and read these pages, I would say stuff it, I want to be at a club where I am wanted.

What is the obssession with having him as a scapegoat?

There are a LOT of other players who have performed consistently worse than he has so far this season, but you dont see posts like that dedicated to them!

Criticism of players is one thing, but to see so many posts having a pop at JCR is ridiculous and people really need to get a grip!!!!

Rant over

 

[Prodigal Son]

Quote[/b] (Richard_Cadette @ Sep. 12 2006,12:58)]Well I thought I better balance things up a bit seeing as JCR is the player nearly everybody on here has a problem with, so I thought it only fair to balance it out!!

I am getting sick and fed up of the JCR bashing that takes place on this board, I dont think it would matter if he was better than Pele, someone would have a pop at him, its just beyong comprehension.

Freddie is playing bad, so it must be the fact JCR is in the team!!... Have you ever heard anything so ridiculous in your life?  Its absolute nonsense.

On Saturday, JCR would have won MOTM had it not have been for Gower's excellent display, his pace, his CROSSING, his chasing back, his hard work, his commitment were second to none.  He managed to deliver a number of high quality balls, but quite frankly, it was like the Mary Celeste in the oppositions box regarding our forwards, but I suppose that is JCR's fault too??

Yes, of course he can be frustrating, but name me one player in our squad who isnt?

Every opposition fan who sees him play always, and I mean, ALWAYS says what a wonderful talent we have, at Palace, there fans were asking how much for him, never mind Freddie, and yet it seems out own cannot appreciate what a gem we have on our hands.

If I was him and read these pages, I would say stuff it, I want to be at a club where I am wanted.

What is the obssession with having him as a scapegoat?

There are a LOT of other players who have performed consistently worse than he has so far this season, but you dont see posts like that dedicated to them!

Criticism of players is one thing, but to see so many posts having a pop at JCR is ridiculous and people really need to get a grip!!!!

Rant over

So who eaxactly did vote him as player of the month for August?

 

[Richard_Cadette]

Quote[/b] (Prodigal Son @ Sep. 12 2006,13:01)]

Quote[/b] (Richard_Cadette @ Sep. 12 2006,12:58)]Well I thought I better balance things up a bit seeing as JCR is the player nearly everybody on here has a problem with, so I thought it only fair to balance it out!!

I am getting sick and fed up of the JCR bashing that takes place on this board, I dont think it would matter if he was better than Pele, someone would have a pop at him, its just beyong comprehension.

Freddie is playing bad, so it must be the fact JCR is in the team!!... Have you ever heard anything so ridiculous in your life?  Its absolute nonsense.

On Saturday, JCR would have won MOTM had it not have been for Gower's excellent display, his pace, his CROSSING, his chasing back, his hard work, his commitment were second to none.  He managed to deliver a number of high quality balls, but quite frankly, it was like the Mary Celeste in the oppositions box regarding our forwards, but I suppose that is JCR's fault too??

Yes, of course he can be frustrating, but name me one player in our squad who isnt?

Every opposition fan who sees him play always, and I mean, ALWAYS says what a wonderful talent we have, at Palace, there fans were asking how much for him, never mind Freddie, and yet it seems out own cannot appreciate what a gem we have on our hands.

If I was him and read these pages, I would say stuff it, I want to be at a club where I am wanted.

What is the obssession with having him as a scapegoat?

There are a LOT of other players who have performed consistently worse than he has so far this season, but you dont see posts like that dedicated to them!

Criticism of players is one thing, but to see so many posts having a pop at JCR is ridiculous and people really need to get a grip!!!!

Rant over

So who eaxactly did vote him as player of the month for August?

Obviously not many people who post on here!

 

[J]

JCR one of the worst players.. other than Kevin Maher to put a southend shirt on..

 

[hexagon_sun]

Quote[/b] (Richard_Cadette @ Sep. 12 2006,12:58)]
There are a LOT of other players who have performed consistently worse than he has so far this season, but you dont see posts like that dedicated to them!

I think we've had a couple of W***y posts dedicated to nothing more than slating Gutts

I agree completely with you though - I think JCR is a fantastic prospect and apart from his brief stint with the enemy, I've been 100% behind him.

 

[DTS]

Quote[/b] (Richard_Cadette @ Sep. 12 2006,12:58)]Well I thought I better balance things up a bit seeing as JCR is the player nearly everybody on here has a problem with, so I thought it only fair to balance it out!!

I am getting sick and fed up of the JCR bashing that takes place on this board, I dont think it would matter if he was better than Pele, someone would have a pop at him, its just beyong comprehension.

Freddie is playing bad, so it must be the fact JCR is in the team!!... Have you ever heard anything so ridiculous in your life?  Its absolute nonsense.

On Saturday, JCR would have won MOTM had it not have been for Gower's excellent display, his pace, his CROSSING, his chasing back, his hard work, his commitment were second to none.  He managed to deliver a number of high quality balls, but quite frankly, it was like the Mary Celeste in the oppositions box regarding our forwards, but I suppose that is JCR's fault too??

Yes, of course he can be frustrating, but name me one player in our squad who isnt?

Every opposition fan who sees him play always, and I mean, ALWAYS says what a wonderful talent we have, at Palace, there fans were asking how much for him, never mind Freddie, and yet it seems out own cannot appreciate what a gem we have on our hands.

If I was him and read these pages, I would say stuff it, I want to be at a club where I am wanted.

What is the obssession with having him as a scapegoat?

There are a LOT of other players who have performed consistently worse than he has so far this season, but you dont see posts like that dedicated to them!

Criticism of players is one thing, but to see so many posts having a pop at JCR is ridiculous and people really need to get a grip!!!!

Rant over

Always got a lot of time for your posts RC and this one sums up why. Top comments and fully agree.

 

[Richard_Cadette]

Quote[/b] (CS J @ Sep. 12 2006,13:02)]JCR one of the worst players.. other than Kevin Maher to put a southend shirt on..

You'll have to work harder than that to get a bite son

 

[Richard_Cadette]

Quote[/b] (Dave the Shrimper @ Sep. 12 2006,13:03)]

Quote[/b] (Richard_Cadette @ Sep. 12 2006,12:58)]Well I thought I better balance things up a bit seeing as JCR is the player nearly everybody on here has a problem with, so I thought it only fair to balance it out!!

I am getting sick and fed up of the JCR bashing that takes place on this board, I dont think it would matter if he was better than Pele, someone would have a pop at him, its just beyong comprehension.

Freddie is playing bad, so it must be the fact JCR is in the team!!... Have you ever heard anything so ridiculous in your life?  Its absolute nonsense.

On Saturday, JCR would have won MOTM had it not have been for Gower's excellent display, his pace, his CROSSING, his chasing back, his hard work, his commitment were second to none.  He managed to deliver a number of high quality balls, but quite frankly, it was like the Mary Celeste in the oppositions box regarding our forwards, but I suppose that is JCR's fault too??

Yes, of course he can be frustrating, but name me one player in our squad who isnt?

Every opposition fan who sees him play always, and I mean, ALWAYS says what a wonderful talent we have, at Palace, there fans were asking how much for him, never mind Freddie, and yet it seems out own cannot appreciate what a gem we have on our hands.

If I was him and read these pages, I would say stuff it, I want to be at a club where I am wanted.

What is the obssession with having him as a scapegoat?

There are a LOT of other players who have performed consistently worse than he has so far this season, but you dont see posts like that dedicated to them!

Criticism of players is one thing, but to see so many posts having a pop at JCR is ridiculous and people really need to get a grip!!!!

Rant over

Always got a lot of time for your posts RC and this one sums up why. Top comments and fully agree.  

Thank you DtS

As I said, I've no idea what the obsession is with JCR, but I genuinely find it disturbing that he seems to have been singled out as a scapegoat when things go wrong.

Fair enough if he has a shocker of a game, but it appears one tiny thing he does which isnt to everyones liking and his is jumped on from a great height.

 

[footychick]

Quote[/b] (Richard_Cadette @ Sep. 12 2006,12:58)]Well I thought I better balance things up a bit seeing as JCR is the player nearly everybody on here has a problem with, so I thought it only fair to balance it out!!

I am getting sick and fed up of the JCR bashing that takes place on this board, I dont think it would matter if he was better than Pele, someone would have a pop at him, its just beyong comprehension.

Freddie is playing bad, so it must be the fact JCR is in the team!!... Have you ever heard anything so ridiculous in your life?  Its absolute nonsense.

On Saturday, JCR would have won MOTM had it not have been for Gower's excellent display, his pace, his CROSSING, his chasing back, his hard work, his commitment were second to none.  He managed to deliver a number of high quality balls, but quite frankly, it was like the Mary Celeste in the oppositions box regarding our forwards, but I suppose that is JCR's fault too??

Yes, of course he can be frustrating, but name me one player in our squad who isnt?

Every opposition fan who sees him play always, and I mean, ALWAYS says what a wonderful talent we have, at Palace, there fans were asking how much for him, never mind Freddie, and yet it seems out own cannot appreciate what a gem we have on our hands.

If I was him and read these pages, I would say stuff it, I want to be at a club where I am wanted.

What is the obssession with having him as a scapegoat?

There are a LOT of other players who have performed consistently worse than he has so far this season, but you dont see posts like that dedicated to them!

Criticism of players is one thing, but to see so many posts having a pop at JCR is ridiculous and people really need to get a grip!!!!

Rant over

Totally agree

 

[Hong Kong Blue]

Whilst I'd agree that people are far too keen to pick a scapegoat, because if that one player is dropped we'll win every game, I still believe it is a valid question to ask whether we are a better team with JCR in it. A good team is greater than the sum of its parts. JCR has been playing well individually, but that doesn't necessarily mean that as a team we wouldn't have been playing better with someone else.

 

[Richard_Cadette]

Quote[/b] (Hong Kong Blue @ Sep. 12 2006,13:12)]Whilst I'd agree that people are far too keen to pick a scapegoat, because if that one player is dropped we'll win every game, I still believe it is a valid question to ask whether we are a better team with JCR in it. A good team is greater than the sum of its parts. JCR has been playing well individually, but that doesn't necessarily mean that as a team we wouldn't have been playing better with someone else.

Then perhaps HKB, you should pose this question of the other 10 players of the team to balance your argument, because from where I am sitting, if someone is playing very well, and the team is not performing, then you should start looking at other players in it who are not keeping up there end of the bargain.

The notion that Freddie is less effective due to JCR is about as sensible as saying that Roy Mcdonough was a more skilful forward than Ronaldinho...... Perhaps we should have the same thread about Freddie?... No?... Thought not!

 

[Hong Kong Blue]

The team was performing last season, and whilst I acknowledge there is a step-up in class this season, the team for some reason struggled with JCR in it last season. I have explained elsewhere how JCR alters the balance and style of the team. I don't think this is for the better of the team and lets face it we're not going to go out and sign 10 other players just to accomodate one player.

Maybe someone would like to do a statistical analysis of how the team has performed over the past season and a bit depending on who has been playing wide right.

 

[J]

not fishing.. merely throwing my point of view across..

 

[MC BLUES]

Good post RC. Do you think JCR attracts so much comment as he is one of our more creative players and is therefore putting himself 'on offer' a lot more, ie, like Gower for example who also gets slaughtered on here from time to time?

I think the expectation value is raised with this type of player as they can be so good at times. Also, because they are so involved in the game they catch the eye so much more and when they fail it is more memorable because it is so disappointing.

It is funny though in a way how so many people can have such different views on a player. I personally really like Francis but I'm still not yet convinced re Hammell, I think he makes far too many mistakes. However most on here seem to think he is pure class?

As for JCR, I do think he is a great little player but I do see the point others have made re his release of the ball. If only at times he could pass or cross a few seconds earlier he would be (almost) everyone's favourite.

 

[Shrimpbizkit]

Whilst I do think hes a good player what is his goals and assists record for us? The fact he seems so reluctant to shoot when he gets in the box is one thing that annoys me. Even Maher looks more dangerous as a goal threat.

 

[Richard_Cadette]

Quote[/b] (Hong Kong Blue @ Sep. 12 2006,13:27)]The team was performing last season, and whilst I acknowledge there is a step-up in class this season, the team for some reason struggled with JCR in it last season. I have explained elsewhere how JCR alters the balance and style of the team. I don't think this is for the better of the team and lets face it we're not going to go out and sign 10 other players just to accomodate one player.

Maybe someone would like to do a statistical analysis of how the team has performed over the past season and a bit depending on who has been playing wide right.

I think the main reasons we are not performing quite as well as last season, although by no means are we peforming badly, are down to the following

1. We are in a much higher league, therefore, opposition defences are going to be harder to break down.

2. Freddie does not have a strike partner where he is yet to strike up and kind of relationship. Now whether this will be with Paynter, Bradders of Ricketts remains to be seen, but I feel this is the biggest issue here.

Freddie is getting marked out of games at the moment, and he needs to learn to deal with that, or we need to make use of the space afforded to his parnter, none of these I beliebe have anything to do with JCR.

I believe the balance of the team is far better with two wide players playing in the positions they are supposed to, and already this season, we have played a level of football in patches which has been far superior to anything we did last season.

Bradbury on the right wing for me was a stop gap, JCR is a far better option there, and you may well have to just put up with the fact that sometimes, the delivery isnt always 100%, but then there isnt a winger out there that is capable of that.

I doubt the Mabn Utd fans offer such criticism of Ronaldo, a player who has just as much ability as JCR to frustrate and doesnt put in nearly half of the work that he does.

 

[Napster]

I think we miss Benno. His strong runs into the middle of the park gave us more space to penetrate and run into.

I would have loved to see a Smith/Benno central mid partnership this season.

 

[Hong Kong Blue]

Fair points, but the team struggled with JCR in it last season when it was a level lower and Freddy had a settled partnership.

The team's best football has IMHO been when the ball is being zipped about with quick one or two touch passing. That isn't JCR's game.

 

[Richard_Cadette]

Quote[/b] (Hong Kong Blue @ Sep. 12 2006,14:02)]Fair points, but the team struggled with JCR in it last season when it was a level lower and Freddy had a settled partnership.

The team's best football has IMHO been when the ball is being zipped about with quick one or two touch passing. That isn't JCR's game.

My counter argument to that is that JCR was playing for us last seaosn when Gutteridge was out injured, and so therefore, we missed him, and I believe a mere coincidence that JCR happened to be playing at the time.

Some of the best football we have played in years was at Crystal Palace away where JCR was immense, and Stoke at home in the first half, again, JCR superb.

If your point is about fizzing the ball around, then that has to ruel out Bradders on the right, cause that is hardly his game!!

 

[sufcintheprem]

I think that there is an argument to suggest that Freddy's play is affected by the way that JCR slows the game down a lot and by the way the team actually have a right winger as an outlet now as opposed to any time since Freddy's been here.

However, it's not the only reason and he cetainly shouldn't be blamed for it. Like all our midfield though, he does need to start making more goals and scoring more goals. By my reckoning we've not had one league goal yet from them and only league assists for, what, Freddy at Palace and Bradbury v Sunderland.

However, this does not reflect the calibre of JCR's performance. Frankly, while he keeps up the workrate he has shown, he won't get dropped because he still does so much defensively.

Let's hope we'll get goals from Guttridge and Eastwood tonight assisted by JCR.