Echo today (Tuesday)

[fbm]

Tilly has ruled out Owusu. The Echo refer to him as a speedy 30 year old (Owusu, not Tilson) which comes as a surprise to me on both counts as I never thought pace was his strength and thought he was older. But I haven't checked so will assume they are correct.

Tommy Black is mentioned (by the Echo, not Tilson) as a possible midfielder as he is out of contract and apparently trained with us at the end of last season.

 

[Interpol Shrimper]

Wipes the cold sweat from my brow and utters "Phew, that was a close one" :)

GREAT NEWS!

Tommy Black could do us a good job too!

 

[SUFC_Al]

Owusu is 31 at next birthday I believe but glad we're looking elsewhere.

Palace fans thought Black was quality when he first joined then lost his form, his place and he never really recaptured the form they knew he was capable of.

 

[duncan bulgaria]

Tommy Black would be a great signing for us if he keeps fit and recaptures some of his hunger for the game, he has great vision and could be the missing link to our midfield, as he can play the killer ball and also scores a few himself.

I grew up with Tommy as a kid and know that he is capable of being a top player at this level, very much a confidence player, lets just hope Tilly can get him firing on all cyclinders if he signs him.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

Tommy Black would be a great signing for us if he keeps fit and recaptures some of his hunger for the game, he has great vision and could be the missing link to our midfield, as he can play the killer ball and also scores a few himself.

I grew up with Tommy as a kid and know that he is capable of being a top player at this level, very much a confidence player, lets just hope Tilly can get him firing on all cyclinders if he signs him.

I think we'd generally be better off avoiding players falling down through the divisions. When looking at potential signings its not just about the talent, its also about their attitude and commitment. I'd far rather sign a young non-league player on the rise who is yet to peak than a talented prem/championship player who peaked early and whose career is in free-fall.

Now it may well be that Black (Tommy, rather than Michael) is the exception to that rule and has a point to prove, but I doubt it. If he is hungry enough a championship club will take him, if not and he drops to a club in our division IMHO he'll keep on falling.

Besides, I don't think Roots Hall is a particular good place for a confidence player to ply their trade. Given the hostile and impatient home crowd, players need to be mentally tough to succeed at Roots Hall.

 

[duncan bulgaria]

I think we'd generally be better off avoiding players falling down through the divisions. When looking at potential signings its not just about the talent, its also about their attitude and commitment. I'd far rather sign a young non-league player on the rise who is yet to peak than a talented prem/championship player who peaked early and whose career is in free-fall.

Now it may well be that Black (Tommy, rather than Michael) is the exception to that rule and has a point to prove, but I doubt it. If he is hungry enough a championship club will take him, if not and he drops to a club in our division IMHO he'll keep on falling.

Besides, I don't think Roots Hall is a particular good place for a confidence player to ply their trade. Given the hostile and impatient home crowd, players need to be mentally tough to succeed at Roots Hall.

Totally see your point and i would also much rather bring in hungry players who are looking to prove thereself at a higher level , but if he was just say score a few early on in his first few appearence's , like Eastwood did then i can't see why Tommy couldn't go on and settle well at SUFC, but dabbling in the transfer market is always about risk and there are certain managers out there that seem to get the best out of players that should i say ' just need to feel wanted'.

I for one would take a gamble on this kid.

 

[Matt the Shrimp]

Besides, I don't think Roots Hall is a particular good place for a confidence player to ply their trade. Given the hostile and impatient home crowd, players need to be mentally tough to succeed at Roots Hall.

No. Players need to be lucky and grab the zeitgeist. I wouldn't call Lee Hodges in the least bit "mentally tough", yet he was adored by the Roots Hall crowd.

Score a great goal and/or put in a thumping challenge and/or run your @rse off in your first match, and you'll be loved.

Matt

 

[ashingdon-shrimper]

jason lee fits the bill perfectly

 

[fbm]

but if he was just say score a few early on in his first few appearence's , like Eastwood did then i can't see why Tommy couldn't go on and settle well at SUFC,

Tony Richards had a cracking debut against Halifax I seem to remember... scored 2 (one "Di Canio" style with a flying volley) and went on to become one of the worst players ever in a Blue shirt. It doesn't always follow but I do agree that an early goal or two certainly helps.

 

[EastStandBlue]

Thank God it's not Owusu

 

[Mick]

Tony Richards had a cracking debut against Halifax I seem to remember... scored 2 (one "Di Canio" style with a flying volley) and went on to become one of the worst players ever in a Blue shirt. It doesn't always follow but I do agree that an early goal or two certainly helps.

He didn't have a cracking debut.

It wasn't against Halifax.

He did indeed score two goals in his 3rd appearance but his goals count was quickly overtaken by his yellow card count and they remained the only two goals scored throughout 20 abject appearances.

At £36,000 he makes Paynter and Harrold seem snips in comparison.

 

[Mick]

Tilly has ruled out Owusu. The Echo refer to him as a speedy 30 year old (Owusu, not Tilson) which comes as a surprise to me on both counts as I never thought pace was his strength and thought he was older. .

I thought he looked quite pacy that season when he scored SIX league goals against us !!! Mind you that was about 8 years ago !

 

[duncan bulgaria]

Tony Richards had a cracking debut against Halifax I seem to remember... scored 2 (one "Di Canio" style with a flying volley) and went on to become one of the worst players ever in a Blue shirt. It doesn't always follow but I do agree that an early goal or two certainly helps.

The trouble with Tony richards was the fact that he was a crap footballer, unlike Black who indeed has more about him in his little toe than Richards ever had.

 

[fbm]

He didn't have a cracking debut.

It wasn't against Halifax.

He did indeed score two goals in his 3rd appearance but his goals count was quickly overtaken by his yellow card count and they remained the only two goals scored throughout 20 abject appearances.

At £36,000 he makes Paynter and Harrold seem snips in comparison.

You're right. It wasn't his debut.

Mick 1, fbm 0.


But it was against Halifax - see link here

http://www.southendunited.premiumtv.co.uk/page/MatchReport/0,,10444~14692,00.html

Mick 1, fbm 1.

 

[HUTTON]

You're right. It wasn't his debut.

Mick 1, fbm 0.


But it was against Halifax - see link here

http://www.southendunited.premiumtv.co.uk/page/MatchReport/0,,10444~14692,00.html

Mick 1, fbm 1.

he's right you no :thump:

 

[Leeboy]

the legendary game when 'Bun' Smith made his cameo and never wore a Blue shirt again

 

[duncan bulgaria]

I remember thinking that we had just stumbled across two class players the day i saw Steven Clark and Michael husbands making their Debuts :(


How wrong was i !!!!!! ( to be far though i bet i wasn't the only one)

 

[Mick]

You're right. It wasn't his debut.

Mick 1, fbm 0.


But it was against Halifax - see link here

http://www.southendunited.premiumtv.co.uk/page/MatchReport/0,,10444~14692,00.html

Mick 1, fbm 1.

It wasn't a cracking debut.

It (the debut) wasn't against Halifax.

Your goal has just been disallowed by a hapless assistant referee.

Mick 1, fbm 0

 

[fbm]

It wasn't a cracking debut.

It (the debut) wasn't against Halifax.

Your goal has just been disallowed by a hapless assistant referee.

Mick 1, fbm 0

Ah, but in the first ever use of retrospective video technology, the panel decides that the hapless assistant referee was guilty of not making himself clear enough and they decreed that the "It" referred to in your post was not intended to refer to the debut as you now suggest but instead was taken to be a reference to game where Pony Richards scored two goals and which I had mistakenly recollected that as his debut. The reasoning for this is that I had recounted a cracking debut where he had scored 2 goals. You had (correctly) pointed out that "it" - meaning the game I refer - wasn't his debut, which I conceded. You then stated that "it" - again, in the absence of a contrary intention - must be taken to mean the game I refer, wasn't against Halifax.

If you had intended to mean his debut, then surely the sentence would have included the words "against Darlington" (which it was).

So, the panel have decided that the goal should be re-instated.

Mick 1, fbm 1.

Further, on appeal, they made an earth shattering cutting edge decision to award fbm an additional goal for being a smart a.rse.

Mick 1, fbm 2.







So ner.

;)

 

[Mick]

Ah, but in the first ever use of retrospective video technology, the panel decides that the hapless assistant referee was guilty of not making himself clear enough and they decreed that the "It" referred to in your post was not intended to refer to the debut as you now suggest but instead was taken to be a reference to game where Pony Richards scored two goals and which I had mistakenly recollected that as his debut. The reasoning for this is that I had recounted a cracking debut where he had scored 2 goals. You had (correctly) pointed out that "it" - meaning the game I refer - wasn't his debut, which I conceded. You then stated that "it" - again, in the absence of a contrary intention - must be taken to mean the game I refer, wasn't against Halifax.

If you had intended to mean his debut, then surely the sentence would have included the words "against Darlington" (which it was).

So, the panel have decided that the goal should be re-instated.

Mick 1, fbm 1.

Further, on appeal, they made an earth shattering cutting edge decision to award fbm an additional goal for being a smart a.rse.

Mick 1, fbm 2.

So ner.

;)

At a subsequent appeal to the court of sporting arbitration it was correctly ruled that the use of the subjective personal pronoun "it" could only possibly have one clear antecedent (the noun to which it refers), that being "debut".
I now consider this matter (and this English lesson) closed.