"Don't blame the British people.We know the islands belong to you"

[Tangled up in Blue]

That's what Morrisey thinks about The Falklands,following on from Roger Waters.Looks like pop stars are leading the way,where the politicians fear to tread.I happen to think they're right.Over to you.


http://gu.com/p/35qnc

 

[OldBlueLady]

Of course they do, but then I suspect that it is pop stars of a rather less than right wing inclination that are making such remarks - why not ask the people that live there? I think almost to a man they will declare that they are British and proud to be so.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Of course they do, but then I suspect that it is pop stars of a rather less than right wing inclination that are making such remarks - why not ask the people that live there? I think almost to a man they will declare that they are British and proud to be so.

Morrisy,of course, has a reputation for being right wing.Waters probably less so.You are of course right about the islanders opinion but I wonder if we'd still be making a song and dance about the place if a)British blood hadn't been shed there b)possesion of the Falklands didn't entitle the holders(joint sovereignty anyone?)to potentially huge future oil and mineral rights?

 

[canveyshrimper]

Morrisy,of course, has a reputation for being right wing.Waters probably less so.You are of course right about the islanders opinion but I wonder if we'd still be making a song and dance about the place if a)British blood hadn't been shed there b)possesion of the Falklands didn't entitle the holders(joint sovereignty anyone?)to potentially huge future oil and mineral rights?

What a daft statement not a drop of British blood had been shed prior to 1982 yet we still went to war over the Islands. There's a fair bit of sabre rattling from the Argentines partly to deflect attention away from their dire economic plight, rather like 1982 when they invaded first South Georgia and the the Falklands. And then of course is oil and the discovery that there may be huge swathes of oil in the waters around the Islands.

The people who live there want to remain British and that's good enough for me. It was kind of ironic that Waters made his remarks in Chile, they may have gone down better in Brazil or Uruguay, the Chilleans don't like their next door neighbours.

And one last point the war of 1982 was probably the last time a British politician resigned honourably for something going wrong on his watch rather than being dragged kicking and screaming from his office. Which was a shame as Peter Carrington was a pretty good Foreign Secretary IMO.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

What a daft statement not a drop of British blood had been shed prior to 1982 yet we still went to war over the Islands. There's a fair bit of sabre rattling from the Argentines partly to deflect attention away from their dire economic plight, rather like 1982 when they invaded first South Georgia and the the Falklands. And then of course is oil and the discovery that there may be huge swathes of oil in the waters around the Islands.

The people who live there want to remain British and that's good enough for me. It was kind of ironic that Waters made his remarks in Chile, they may have gone down better in Brazil or Uruguay, the Chilleans don't like their next door neighbours.

And one last point the war of 1982 was probably the last time a British politician resigned honourably for something going wrong on his watch rather than being dragged kicking and screaming from his office. Which was a shame as Peter Carrington was a pretty good Foreign Secretary IMO.

Hardly a daft statement at all,IMO.It is precisely the fact that British blood was shed there, as recently as 30 years ago, that makes the present situation such an emotive one,for many.
Talking of politicians,who behaved honourably(and I don't agree with your high opinion of PC)I've always agreed entirely with Neil Kinnock's remarks, at the time, that it was a pity that so many had to loose their guts at Goose Green,just for the then PM to prove that she too, had some.
Btw,how many Falkland islanders are we talking about exactly?It's something like 2,000/3,000,isn't it?Rather less than the population of Great Wakering or Rochford,at any rate.

 

[canveyshrimper]

Hardly a daft statement at all,IMO.It is precisely the fact that British blood was shed there, as recently as 30 years ago, that makes the present situation such an emotive one,for many.
Talking of politicians who resigned honourably(and I don't agree with your high opinion of PC)I've always agreed entirely with Neil Kinnock, that it was a pity that so many had to loose their guts at Goose Green for the then PM to prove that she too had some.

We made a song and dance as you put it in 1982, but no British blood had been spilt there in 140 years and none since.

I won't take too much heed of Kinnock a triumphalist Welsh windbag who couldn't beat a fatally wounded John Major in 1992. A man who hated the EU and all it stood for until he his wife and the rest of his clan were able to get their snouts in the trough. A man who hated the House of Lords anf all it stands for, what is he today Lord Kinnock of Bombast?

 

[Cricko]

Give them back to the rightful French owners then they can stump up the 80 Million a year it costs us to keep them going.

 

[BLUEBLOOD]

The poll makes interesting reading

Barna and MK sitting in a tree
k i s s i n g

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

The poll makes interesting reading

Barna and MK sitting in a tree
k i s s i n g

“Workers of the World, Unite. You have nothing to lose but your chains!” The Communist Manifesto.:winking:

 

[OldBlueLady]

We made a song and dance as you put it in 1982, but no British blood had been spilt there in 140 years and none since.

I won't take too much heed of Kinnock a triumphalist Welsh windbag who couldn't beat a fatally wounded John Major in 1992. A man who hated the EU and all it stood for until he his wife and the rest of his clan were able to get their snouts in the trough. A man who hated the House of Lords anf all it stands for, what is he today Lord Kinnock of Bombast?

I make you 100% right on Kinnock, an absolutely hateful man.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I make you 100% right on Kinnock, an absolutely hateful man.

Au contraire,along with Smith and Michael Foot(plus Dennis Healey)he would have made a great PM.You can't run against the Murdoch press in the UK,though.

 

[BLUEBLOOD]

“Workers of the World, Unite. You have nothing to lose but your chains!” The Communist Manifesto.:winking:

Please don't swear at me Barna :raspberry:

 

[Berrichonne shrimper]

“Workers of the World, Unite. You have nothing to lose but your chains!” The Communist Manifesto.:winking:

Vile old man preaching your politics of hate again.What a :winking:.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Please don't swear at me Barna :raspberry:

Don't you work anymore then?Retired are we?:unsure:

 

[BLUEBLOOD]

Don't you work anymore then?Retired are we?:unsure:

Just taking an extended break :zzzzz:

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Vile old man preaching your politics of hate again.What a :winking:.

Actually,I don't know if you've ever read the CM, but apart from being a call to arms, it's also a paean of praise to the bourgeoisie,who Marx was the first to see,had outlived their historical necessity,despite their great economic achievements.

 

[Neil_F]

Btw,how many Falkland islanders are we talking about exactly?It's something like 2,000/3,000,isn't it?Rather less than the population of Great Wakering or Rochford,at any rate.

So what is your threshold? 100k? 200k? If Norway invaded the Shetlands would you be of the same opinion?

The simple fact is that the Falklands are British because the inhabitants wish to remain so. I personally don't think we should sell them down the river to an economic basket case looking for a distraction so that some guilt ridden liberals can feel better about Britain's colonial past.

 

[OldBlueLady]

Au contraire,along with Smith and Michael Foot(plus Dennis Healey)he would have made a great PM.You can't run against the Murdoch press in the UK,though.

Kinnock was a prequel for what we got with Blair, a total hypocrite. John Smith and Michael Foot, I believe, would have made a decent attempt at being PM but I think Kinnock would have been awful, and his wife every bit as bad as Blair's.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Give them back to the rightful French owners then they can stump up the 80 Million a year it costs us to keep them going.

So what is your threshold? 100k? 200k? If Norway invaded the Shetlands would you be of the same opinion?

The simple fact is that the Falklands are British because the inhabitants wish to remain so. I personally don't think we should sell them down the river to an economic basket case looking for a distraction so that some guilt ridden liberals can feel better about Britain's colonial past.

Cricko made a good point about the Falklands costing us 80 million a year.IMO,that's only viable if we're going to get a speedy return on the oil and mineral reserves said to be available in the vicinity of the Falklands.
I personally would have no qualms whatsoever about selling the 3,000 Falkland islanders down the river.FWIW,I'm no liberal(guilt-ridden or otherwise).

 

[OldBlueLady]

I personally would have no qualms whatsoever about selling the 3,000 Falkland islanders down the river.FWIW,I'm no liberal(guilt-ridden or otherwise).

You know, I stick up for you sometimes, but that's a shocking statement and I hope and trust that our Government doesn't feel the same.