Disasters in london..

[J]

seeing as the other topic was stupidly locked, because someone knows it was wrong of him to say something he did..
i think this thread can be for messages of people's views and opinions and messages..

we are starting to be oppressed by these people and by political correctness...
people like ABU HAMSA and others preach death to the west,
but he doesnt mind he's 300 hundred grand house paid by us,does he? if he hates the west so much, why the $%&* is he here?

 

[Napster]

stupidly locked? I chose to lock it because it went way off topic.

ps Hamza's in prison

 

[Matt the Shrimp]

I said the comment was ill-judged, and I have retracted it. The matter is now closed.

Matt

 

[shooter mcgavin]

Quote[/b] (CS J @ July 11 2005,09:41)]we are starting to be oppressed by these people and by political correctness...
people like ABU HAMSA and others preach death to the west,
but he doesnt mind he's 300 hundred grand house paid by us,does he? if he hates the west so much, why the $%&* is he here?

Hypocrisy.....just like the rest of these fanatics/fundamentalists/freaks (insert f word here!!) that preach death and destruction in the name of their God.

If I'm to believe the multitude of Muslims that I've seen on TV and heard on the radio over the past few days, Islam is meant to be a peaceful, loving religion. These fanatics just twist everything to map to their distorted, hateful, cynical views on life.

 

[Napster]

http://hurryupharry.bloghouse.net/archives/2005/07/07/a_letter_to_a_friend.php

Islam is not the same as Islamism

 

[Hong Kong Blue]

Quote[/b] (shooter mcgavin @ July 11 2005,09:54)]If I'm to believe the multitude of Muslims that I've seen on TV and heard on the radio over the past few days, Islam is meant to be a peaceful, loving religion. These fanatics just twist everything to map to their distorted, hateful, cynical views on life.

Christianity is also a peaceful, loving religion, but history records thousands of atrocities carried out in the name of God. Indeed it wasn't so long ago that London was being bombed by a supposedly Christian organisation, the IRA.

 

[Napster]

Quote[/b] (Hong Kong Blue @ July 11 2005,10:17)]Indeed it wasn't so long ago that London was being bombed by a supposedly Christian organisation, the IRA.

Ridiculous argument. So the IRA may have been Catholics but they were not fighting for Catholicism but a united Ireland.

 

[Interpol Shrimper]

As an expectant father, I worry for the country I am bringing my child in to.  I feel that in say 25 to 40 years there may well come a point where Muslim's will want to take the UK over.  

Seeing as there's a lot in the news today about the 10 year anniversary of the Srebrenica massacre in Bosnia, I feel it's worth contemplating that if Political Correctness is allowed to carry on at it's current rate, it will be far too late for the average BRITISH person to have their say in what's happening and we may well come to a situation in the timeframe I've mentioned where (a lot of) blood may well be shed and it may even get to the point where there's a civil war in this country (Muslims v Anglo-Saxons).

As I said in my earlier posting (in the now locked thread) I have no problems with people of different colours, religions, classes.  It's just when liberties are taken and that rules are bent or broken for certain parts of the community that's really gets to me!

 

[Napster]

Of course we can worry, but jeez, what's wrong with people's backbone? People growing up in the 50s didnt stop and be afraid nor did future generations scorn the Germans. (nor should we)

we make our mistakes by generalising, by stereotyping we are being dragged down to the level of the terrorist who sees everyone on the Tube as a target, because hey, they must be English, white, middle-class. Well, they were wrong.

We would be wrong in a similar vein to attack Muslims. There is no similarity. An eye does not equal an eye.

People should check out the website www.werenotafraid.com

That's solidarity and that is what we should draw from this, not a return to the level of politics you get from daytime TV and hairdressers.

 

[Matt the Shrimp]

Quote[/b] (Napster @ July 11 2005,10:20)]

Quote[/b] (Hong Kong Blue @ July 11 2005,10:17)]Indeed it wasn't so long ago that London was being bombed by a supposedly Christian organisation, the IRA.

Ridiculous argument. So the IRA may have been Catholics but they were not fighting for Catholicism but a united Ireland.

Indeed. As I'm beginning to see, Thursday's bombers are to Islam what the IRA are to Roman Catholicism: namely, barely associated at all, and an affront to the vast majority who practise that religion.

Matt

 

[Matt the Shrimp]

Quote[/b] (glasgowsufc @ July 11 2005,10:28)]if Political Correctness is allowed to carry on at it's current rate, it will be far too late for the average BRITISH person to have their say in what's happening and we may well come to a situation in the timeframe I've mentioned where (a lot of) blood may well be shed and it may even get to the point where there's a civil war in this country (Muslims v Anglo-Saxons).

You should read the blog that Naps has linked above. It's a real eye-opener. As the writer says, was it any coincidence that bombs were detonated in the Aldgate East (Bangladeshi - Muslim) and Edgware Road (Lebanese - Muslim) areas?

Of course it wasn't. This isn't Muslims v. the rest of the world. This may well be an attack by a group of people who want an extremist Muslim state on those who choose democracy and liberalism. The very worst offenders are the Muslims who have chosen democracy and liberalism - hence why they were targeted. That's why the suicide bombers are operating daily in Baghdad - to ensure that democracy doesn't gain a foothold in Iraq.

Perhaps it's only a view, an argument; but of all the ones I've read so far, it's the one that makes the most sense.

Matt

 

[Interpol Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ July 11 2005,10:48)]

Quote[/b] (glasgowsufc @ July 11 2005,10:28)]if Political Correctness is allowed to carry on at it's current rate, it will be far too late for the average BRITISH person to have their say in what's happening and we may well come to a situation in the timeframe I've mentioned where (a lot of) blood may well be shed and it may even get to the point where there's a civil war in this country (Muslims v Anglo-Saxons).

You should read the blog that Naps has linked above.  It's a real eye-opener.  As the writer says, was it any coincidence that bombs were detonated in the Aldgate East (Bangladeshi - Muslim) and Edgware Road (Lebanese - Muslim) areas?

Of course it wasn't.  This isn't Muslims v. the rest of the world.  This may well be an attack by a group of people who want an extremist Muslim state on those who choose democracy and liberalism.  The very worst  offenders are the Muslims  who have chosen democracy and liberalism - hence why they were targeted.  That's why the suicide bombers are operating daily in Baghdad - to ensure that democracy doesn't gain a foothold in Iraq.

Perhaps it's only a view, an argument; but of all the ones I've read so far, it's the one that makes the most sense.

Matt

Interesting, I shall give it a read at lunchtime!

 

[the leopard]

abu hamza was today beaten up in prison

apparently someone gave him a nasty right hook

 

[sufcintheprem]

Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ July 11 2005,10:43)]

Quote[/b] (Napster @ July 11 2005,10:20)]

Quote[/b] (Hong Kong Blue @ July 11 2005,10:17)]Indeed it wasn't so long ago that London was being bombed by a supposedly Christian organisation, the IRA.

Ridiculous argument. So the IRA may have been Catholics but they were not fighting for Catholicism but a united Ireland.

Indeed. As I'm beginning to see, Thursday's bombers are to Islam what the IRA are to Roman Catholicism: namely, barely associated at all, and an affront to the vast majority who practise that religion.

Matt

I agree that neither set of terrorists are genuinely associated to a religion other than they will try and recruit others who are of that religion. One thing the example does, though, is disprove an argument arising on the other thread that "white people don't blow white people up". There are too many examples to mention.

I think what has rattled people is that the bombers, if British born, wouldn't be some obvious Saudi dressed in traditional Saudi clothes and with a very limited grasp of English. In addition, by being British nationals, again, should this be the case, they will be very tricky for the police to monitor as they won't need to leave the country after the attacks and may well slip back in to their daily routine.

On the BBC yesterday, they had an interview with a detainee in a German prison who's name escapes me now. It was easy to forget from his demeanour and use of language that he was a convicted terrorist and not just another city worker.

For some reason yesterday, it suddenly dawned on me how ridiculous it is not having cameras on the underground. Granted, if was a suicide bomber, you would not ibe able to make an immediate arrest but you would certainly have a cast iron link to work with. Of course, on top of this, you'd help prevent a host of other unsavoury activities going on on the underground.

I've thought for a while how easy a target a crowded train is and I'm surprised, in a way, that it took this long.

As for preventing further terror threats from islamic extremists, this is a problem that is both complex and hugely sensitive. I'm sure it's easy for people to say that immigration is a huge part of the problem but a glance at the top ten richest in Britain shows two Swedes, two Russians and a Greek. Top of the list, indeed, is the Indian Lakshmi Mittal with about double Abramovich's fortune. The fact that he is hindu and not a muslim, I'm sure wouldn't cross people's minds though if they saw him.

No, I'mafraid this is a massively complex problem and I think a valid point was raised by Dave when he suggested that the muslims who condemn this also need to help stop it altogether. Currently, I'm very sceptical as to whether this is the case right now.

 

[the leopard]

at liverpool st lul station there are over 90 cameras with six vcrs recording them on a loop
there is also someone monitoring these cameras

the question is what is a terrorist
someone with a rucksack??
someone who looks like bin laden??
you do not know!!

if you was on a train and spotted a terrorist or someone who you felt uncomfortable with what would you do??
the chances are it would be too late

After 9/11 there were examples of people refusing to get on a plane because there was a stereotypical suicide bomber

the chances are these people were smartly dressed city type.

unfortunately we just have to get on with our lives and accept it as part of our lives

 

[Kenny]

The Madrid bombings, although perpertrated by people of asian/arab descent they were actually blended into Western customs of dress and culture. The people who detonated those bombs on Thursday were probably dressed no differently to the other commuters on those buses and tubes.

It seems Al Qaeda has evolved and they can carry out all their teachings of creating bombs etc via the internet

 

[Hong Kong Blue]

Quote[/b] (the leopard @ July 11 2005,11:57)]at liverpool st lul station there are over 90 cameras with six vcrs recording them on a loop
there is also someone monitoring these cameras

the question is what is a terrorist
someone with a rucksack??
someone who looks like bin laden??
you do not know!!

if you was on a train and spotted a terrorist or someone who you felt uncomfortable with what would you do??
the chances are it would be too late

After 9/11 there were examples of people refusing to get on a plane because there was a stereotypical suicide bomber

the chances are these people were smartly dressed city type.

unfortunately we just have to get on with our lives and accept it as part of our lives

The terrorists would have almost certainly have used those travel bags/suitcases on wheels.

I know this as people who wheel their carrycase along are evil. They also share the al queda aim of trying to cause maximum disruption to commuters by tripping them up and generally getting in their way.

I believe the people responsible for these outrages also stand on the left hand side of escalators. This much is evident as they are trying to destroy our way of living and bring down our society from within.

It can only be a matter of time before the home secretary orders the police to shoot on sight at people standing on the wrong side of the escalator or wheeling their suitcase along during rush hour.