Ref Watch ...... Daggers H

[mfurok]

Absolutely.

A player in an offside position is only penalised if, at the moment the ball touches or is played by one of his team, he is, in the opinion of the referee, involved in active play by:
interfering with play or
interfering with an opponent or
gaining an advantage by being in that position


"interfering with play" does not only mean touching the ball. Attempting to play it or challenging for it is also interfering.

Thanks Mick.

Does that mean that the controversial Swansea goal some years back - when the ball was passed to Trundle in an offside position but he left it and allowed the ball to run slowly into the net - was wrongly allowed?

 

[Mick]

Thanks Mick.

Does that mean that the controversial Swansea goal some years back - when the ball was passed to Trundle in an offside position but he left it and allowed the ball to run slowly into the net - was wrongly allowed?

Got a link ? Then I'll tell you if it would/should be allowed today.

Interpretations of offside have changed over the years.

 

[mfurok]

Got a link ? Then I'll tell you if it would/should be allowed today.

Interpretations of offside have changed over the years.

Sorry Mick, no link but it was Swansea v Blackpool on 1 October 2005 if that helps!

 

[Fish]

Thanks Mick.

Does that mean that the controversial Swansea goal some years back - when the ball was passed to Trundle in an offside position but he left it and allowed the ball to run slowly into the net - was wrongly allowed?

Judging by your description it sounds like he made no difference to what was likely to happen. Any defender who might have been able to reach the ball surely wouldn't stop in their tracks thinking "oh wait, Trundle's gonna stop that going in". If the ball rolled slowly into the net, it rather suggests nobody could have got to it anyway. So unless Trundle was obstructing someone being able to get to the ball (not unlikely - he was a fat blob!), he's not interfering with play in any way.

 

[mfurok]

The Blackpool players stopped because Trundle was a long way offside and they expected the whistle to blow. When it didn't they raced back but we're just too late.

 

[Fish]

More fool them then.

Their job is to stop the ball go in the net.

The referee's job is to blow the whistle, including if a player in an off-side position interferes with play. If the player decides not to interfere with play, then there's no need to blow the whistle.

 

[Bearded Shrimper]

this drives me up the wall. a player is interfering with play by being on the pitch. if they were standing there the opposition team would be positioned differently. i personally liked the old off side rule, no interfering with play, just offside and thats it

 

[A Century United]

this drives me up the wall. a player is interfering with play by being on the pitch. if they were standing there the opposition team would be positioned differently. i personally liked the old off side rule, no interfering with play, just offside and thats it

You're giving your age away with that comment. It's the superannuated ex-players like Claridge on the Radio who don't like the new offside rule either because they just don't get it. The old system used to have goals chalked off all the time for completely irrelevant offsides, it was fiddly, pointless, caused lots of unnecessary stoppages which ruined the flow of the game and getting rid of it was essential. The new version isn't perfect but it's a damn sight better than the old one, and though occasionally it leads to heated debate about the interpretation of it, it's a Really Good Thing, and here to stay.

 

[Fish]

this drives me up the wall. a player is interfering with play by being on the pitch. if they were standing there the opposition team would be positioned differently. i personally liked the old off side rule, no interfering with play, just offside and thats it

The question is simple: does the player affect where the ball goes or anyone else's ability to do so? If not, there's no problem.

 

[Supa Shrimpa]

this drives me up the wall. a player is interfering with play by being on the pitch. if they were standing there the opposition team would be positioned differently. i personally liked the old off side rule, no interfering with play, just offside and thats it

I like the interfering with play law, 1st phase etc, but I do get your point. It does need simplifying. Would make it easier for everybody (particularly new supporters).

I've always thought Offside should be from the penalty area onwards to make the game more expensive in midfield. Then the lino would only have to keep an eye on the final 18 yards.

 

[Bearded Shrimper]

I like the interfering with play law, 1st phase etc, but I do get your point. It does need simplifying. Would make it easier for everybody (particularly new supporters).

I've always thought Offside should be from the penalty area onwards to make the game more expensive in midfield. Then the lino would only have to keep an eye on the final 18 yards.

that was tried, I saw a thing on it recently. it mainly resulted in long hoofs towards the big lump up front.

my issue is that so often a player stands off side then their being there affects the defence. i get that the powers that be want more goals scored and perhaps if the off-side rule was kept as is but more physicality was returned to the game along with a much higher level of consistency from officials i could cope

 

[Bearded Shrimper]

You're giving your age away with that comment.

i turn 30 next weekend :stunned:
shall we just say i'm old/grumpy before my time?

 

[Supa Shrimpa]

that was tried, I saw a thing on it recently. it mainly resulted in long hoofs towards the big lump up front.

Yeah, but that was just West Ham...:winking:

 

[Zeuss]

As clearly was seen IN THE Wet Spam v Arse...n...all game

I like the interfering with play law, 1st phase etc, but I do get your point. It does need simplifying. Would make it easier for everybody (particularly new supporters).

I've always thought Offside should be from the penalty area onwards to make the game more expensive in midfield. Then the lino would only have to keep an eye on the final 18 yards.

. OK but they would still keep getting it wrong.