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Mick

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Dagenham and Redbridge visit Roots Hall on the back of three straight defeats but they will be looking for their third consecutive win at Roots Hall. One of those two previous wins was refereed by tomorrow's man in the middle.

He needs little introduction; he is the youthful looking Gavin Ward from Oxted in Surrey who will be making his second visit of the season.

His last one, the defeat against Walsall in the League Cup, wasn't really very good, failing to dismiss an opposing player for a blatant DOGSO and displaying a lot of inconsistency and randomness in his 6 cautions (Prosser, Atkinson & Coker for our three).

Prior to that his four most recent Southend matches were definitely some of his better ones, taking charge of the entertaining home 0-0 with Port Vale early the season before last with 1 caution to us (Tomlin) and 2 to them. Later that same season he refereed a rare home win against Oxford. This time three cautions (Clohessy, Timlin and Corr) for us and one for them. Then more recently when we crashed out of the JPT last year at home to Dagenham (3 yellows for us, 2 and a red for them) followed by later last year, the 3-2 home defeat by Exeter in the match featuring Jason Williams' turn of speed and sleight of hand. Just one yellow for Freddie.

Before those, his last match, or should I say half a match, was the ill-fated fixture at Aldershot on Boxing Day 2011/12, when, in the eyes of some, he became a good referee because his bad decisions favoured us for once.

The previous one was the home game against Shrewsbury (3-0), also 2011/12, which was his first return to Roots Hall for a League game since he mishandled the match against Gillingham nearly five years ago. He had returned since for a JPT match, against the same opposition 2010/11, and that went much better; generally JPT games are lower key.

The Shrewsbury game was undoubtedly another one of his better ones with a couple of penalties going our way and just three yellows shaded by the Shrews.

This is his eighth season as a League referee. He has refereed 12 of our home matches. His first three games went pretty much okay. They were the JPT defeat on pens by Dagenham, the 2-1 win against Hartlepool (who had Sam Collins sent off in that match) and, six seasons ago, the 2-1 home win against Swindon.

The fourth one was also six seasons ago against Bristol Rovers when he declined to send off the opposing goalkeeper for a handball outside the area. Notwithstanding that decision, it wasn't the best of performances from Mr Ward.

The fifth home match was the one referred to earlier, the Gillingham home game five seasons ago with an astonishingly inept display producing 9 yellow cards.

Since then he also took charge of our away win at Leyton Orient five years ago.

He was an absolutely first class linesman/assistant referee. Lined in numerous Premiership matches and some full internationals. He had been looking to replicate that success in the middle and therefore will probably be disappointed that he has been deservedly overtaken in the pecking order by several younger officials (even if they don't look younger). His card count is on the high side with 69 yellows and 3 reds from 18 matches.

Assistants are Carl Brook from St Leonards in East Sussex and Nicholas Cooper from Ipswich. For those who like their assistants differentiated, last time I saw Cooper (running the line at the Concord/Mansfield replay) he was sporting a decidedly dodgy 'tache - but it was Movember so, if he's got any sense, that could well be gone!

Fourth Official is Robert Hyde from East London.
 
Come on then resident refs, what did you make of Mr Ward's regular "look at me" appearance at the Hall?
 
Thought the ref today was a jumped up little twit tbh today, over the top on some players and just ignored other players for off the ball situations, inconsistent and never got the best out of either linesman, never seen him have a good game at rootshall, do one Mr ward as only thing you got right was the sending off.
 
Come on then resident refs, what did you make of Mr Ward's regular "look at me" appearance at the Hall?

He did alright. He is your bog standard League Two referee. Didn't get much wrong, certainly nothing I found myself shouting at.

Not sure what Barry Corr has to do to win a free kick, but that seems to be the case with all the refs.
 
I thought he lost control of the game during the first half. As with so many refs he let the players get away with so much it was only a matter of time before someone got frustrated at his lack of management and lashed out. Not defending Bolger, he was stupid and deserves his 3 game ban. But if the ref had clamped down on the niggly stuff in the first half, I bet Bolgers incident wouldn't have happened.

It wasn't just Corr who got treatment. At most set pieces our target players (inducing Bolger) were being manhandled and the red bottled it every time.

As for preventing us exploit the advantage of a quick free kick, nothing winds me up more. All he did was hold the game up so Daggers could organise their defence properly.
 
Mick, given that the 'offside' Dagenham player did not touch the ball, should John White's goal have been disallowed?
 
Mick, given that the 'offside' Dagenham player did not touch the ball, should John White's goal have been disallowed?

Bentley was playing to the whistle and didn't try to "defend" the ball, if the whistle hadn't have gone then he'd have made a serious attempt to save it, so it's irrelevant.
 
Mick, given that the 'offside' Dagenham player did not touch the ball, should John White's goal have been disallowed?

Absolutely.

A player in an offside position is only penalised if, at the moment the ball touches or is played by one of his team, he is, in the opinion of the referee, involved in active play by:
interfering with play or
interfering with an opponent or
gaining an advantage by being in that position


"interfering with play" does not only mean touching the ball. Attempting to play it or challenging for it is also interfering.
 
Absolutely.

A player in an offside position is only penalised if, at the moment the ball touches or is played by one of his team, he is, in the opinion of the referee, involved in active play by:
interfering with play or
interfering with an opponent or
gaining an advantage by being in that position


"interfering with play" does not only mean touching the ball. Attempting to play it or challenging for it is also interfering.

Or indeed simply being in a position in relation to a shot or cross that can cause a player to make a decision that he wouldn't have made if that player wasn't in that position - cf the disallowed Wet Spam goal, where the offside player didn't touch the ball but by his presence inhibited the goalkeeper from making the save as the goalkeeper couldn't be sure that the player was offside and wasn't going to touch the ball. and therefore couldn't commit to the save.
 
Sorry that bit is simply not correct.

It comes under gaining an advantage Mick. For instance, a player who is offside and obscures the goalkeepers view of a shot so he is too late moving to stop it. The player hasn't touched the ball, but he is still interfering in play in that he has affected the goalkeepers decision making, and thus gained an advantage.
 
It comes under gaining an advantage Mick. For instance, a player who is offside and obscures the goalkeepers view of a shot so he is too late moving to stop it. The player hasn't touched the ball, but he is still interfering in play in that he has affected the goalkeepers decision making, and thus gained an advantage.

As clearly was seen IN THE Wet Spam v Arse...n...all game
 
It comes under gaining an advantage Mick. For instance, a player who is offside and obscures the goalkeepers view of a shot so he is too late moving to stop it. The player hasn't touched the ball, but he is still interfering in play in that he has affected the goalkeepers decision making, and thus gained an advantage.

No, that example comes under "interfering with an opponent".

"Gaining an advantage" is only when an attacker in an offside position is penalised for playing or touching the ball that rebounds, is deflected or is played to him from a deliberate save by the goalkeeper having been in an offside position when the ball was last touched or is played by a team-mate.

The law is a bit of a mess and there are numerous examples of it being applied inconsistently.

Follow this link, select the Laws of the Game 2014-15 and there are a number of (helpful) diagrams.

http://www.thefa.com/my-football/referee/laws-of-the-game
 
what about their other offside goal?I was at the other. End..Was the bloke who Bentley fumbled it to,off side when his team mate shot from way out?
 
what about their other offside goal?I was at the other. End..Was the bloke who Bentley fumbled it to,off side when his team mate shot from way out?

Yes. right in line with that and was offside (that's the gaining an advantage bit) but not by very much.
 

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