Billy Paynter

[RPG]

It may be too soon to pass judgement on Paynter yet. However not sure what he brings to the side. He appears to have no pace, not great in the air and positional play has been poor. Also there is no urgency in his play seems very lethargic and does not look interested.

I will be surprised if he starts against WBA as we can not wait for him to find his form. When Ricketts is fit and if does not start to improve soon he will be demoted to fourth / fifth choice stricker (behind Eastwood, Ricketts, Harold, Bradbury and even Hooper or Lawson).

I hope he proves me wrong!

 

[sufcintheprem]

One thing I will say for him is that he was the only player who came out in the second half with any zest at all. Everyone else bar maybe Maher and Barrett looked completely beaten but Paynter looked intent on turning the game round.

I think we're yet to see Paynter playing well although i still think he has improved game on game.

 

[DTS]

Agree he has been a tad disapointing so far but its early days. He hasnt had much of a season so far and it always takes players time to bed in...

Look at Wayne Gray - Missed so many chances early on in the season only to go on and do well...

Give him a chance....Tilly aint been wrong yet.

 

[Hooly]

Quote[/b] (Dave the Shrimper @ Sep. 13 2006,14:40)]Look at Wayne Gray - Missed so many chances early on in the season only to go on and do well...

But is that possibly the point with Paynter.  He's actually not yet had what I would refer to as a shot in anger, or actually looked likely even to have one.  Yes there was the strange hoof vs Stoke & a flail vs QPR, but he's started the last 3 games & although I wasn't there last night it doesn't appear as if he advanced his total from "nul point".

I'm a very simple footy fan (as those who know me realise, but not a simple as mcnasty!) in that keepers & defenders do the boring bit, midfielders do the interesting fiddly bits but the strikers earn their corn by doing the really sexy thing by putting the ball in the net.

At least Wayney missed chances.  But credit him he either got in the right position or created a chance for himself.  I'd far rather see a forward miss loads of opportunities than have none at all.  At least I'd think there's some hope that one time he'll come off.

As with JCR last season I'm sorry I just cant see the value in Paynter, at £200k, to a club like us where every player has to be able to fit into the team & hit the ground running.  We simply don't have the resources to carry anyone.

I really hope I'm wrong, but to me he looks a league out of his depth.

 

[sufcintheprem]

I know Gray made and missed chances but I still feel that he would have been gobbled up by any of the defences we have played this season. It's undoubtedly harder for Paynter to make an impact.

Let's wait and see.

 

[EastStandBlue]

It completely hacks me off when i see people getting on a player like Paynter's back. He didn't have an absolutely atrocious game last night, He wasn't even that bad in the first half and suffered when players around him gave up after the 3rd goal hit the net.

People around me in the stands expect him to run for anything and everything... there were balls pumped 20 yards ahead of him that were 5 yards from the keeper and when he carefully picks his runs said people around me berated him.

He's an intelligent player, one who picks the balls he can win and chooses the runs he makes carefully... Whats the point in running 20/30 yards chasing a lost cause?

Last night wasn't his game. Norwich were screaming to be carved open at the back and while we had both Gower and Jamal on the pitch spreading the ball wide it wasn't going to happen. Its only when we went 3-4-3 with the back 2 having to contend with 2 forwards (Hooper, Eastwood) and a ball winner (Harrold) did we force them into making mistakes (The freekick) and scoring again.

Give him a f%&king break and get off his back... That kind of negativity will help no player. Especially when you consider Paynter is still only 22.

 

[Hooly]

Quote[/b] (EastStandBlue @ Sep. 13 2006,15:48)]Give him a fking break and get off his back... That kind of negativity will help no player. Especially when you consider Paynter is still only 22.

I'm f%&king well not on his f%&king back.  I'm just f%&king stating a valid f%&king opinion.  With apologies to people like AD & others who you can have a reasonable discussion with.

In fact it's not even an opinion that he's not had a shot in the last 3 games its a FACT.

I'll reiterate it again.  "I really hope I'm wrong, but to me he looks a league out of his depth."  I'll encourage him all I can in the ground, but sure as hell reserve the right to have an opinion.  But mine as you will see from my previous post will be without swearing at anyone.  

 

[overseas shrimper]

Quote[/b] (Hooly @ Sep. 13 2006,17:12)]

Quote[/b] (EastStandBlue @ Sep. 13 2006,15:48)]Give him a fking break and get off his back... That kind of negativity will help no player. Especially when you consider Paynter is still only 22.

I'm f%&king well not on his f%&king back.  I'm just f%&king stating a valid f%&king opinion.  With apologies to people like AD & others who you can have a reasonable discussion with.

In fact it's not even an opinion that he's not had a shot in the last 3 games its a FACT.

I'll reiterate it again.  "I really hope I'm wrong, but to me he looks a league out of his depth."  I'll encourage him all I can in the ground, but sure as hell reserve the right to have an opinion.  But mine as you will see from my previous post will be without swearing at anyone.  

EastStandBlue annoyed you, didin't he.

 

[Angell Delight]

Quote[/b] (Hooly @ Sep. 13 2006,16:12)]In fact it's not even an opinion that he's not had a shot in the last 3 games its a FACT.

Draft Shrimper said exactly the same to me on the way home last night. Have to say I agree with your views on Paynter, I just don't see what he offers the side and that point was made all the clearer when Harrold came on and looked the complete opposite to Paynter - good movement, won balls in the air, decent hold-up play and an OK first touch also (Paynter's seems to roll of his shin much of the time). I'm sure Paynter hasn't shown us what's he's capable of yet but I don't think there's anyone on this board who can honestly say he looks anywhere close to a £200k player.We could've got Bridges for £350k, Agogo for around £250k or Parkin at Luton for just over £300k...when you compare the going rate for players nowadays Paynter looks massively overpriced and I agree he does look at least a league out of his depth.

 

[Ulysses]

Headless Chicken!

Thats all i'm gonna say about him.

 

[EastStandBlue]

Quote[/b] (Hooly @ Sep. 13 2006,16:12)]

Quote[/b] (EastStandBlue @ Sep. 13 2006,15:48)]Give him a fking break and get off his back... That kind of negativity will help no player. Especially when you consider Paynter is still only 22.

I'm f%&king well not on his f%&king back. I'm just f%&king stating a valid f%&king opinion. With apologies to people like AD & others who you can have a reasonable discussion with.

In fact it's not even an opinion that he's not had a shot in the last 3 games its a FACT.

I'll reiterate it again. "I really hope I'm wrong, but to me he looks a league out of his depth." I'll encourage him all I can in the ground, but sure as hell reserve the right to have an opinion. But mine as you will see from my previous post will be without swearing at anyone.

Oh, Sorry.... I Must've missed the part where i said "Hooly, Get off Paynters Back and give him a Break" Silly me.

 

[Hooly]

Quote[/b] (overseas shrimper @ Sep. 13 2006,16:40)]EastStandBlue annoyed you, didin't he.

No.  Not really, they're not worth it.  Just trying to make a point really Mark.  

I'm one of many who's never said Paynter's a bad player as I'm sure he can do someone a job at his proper level.  But I'll defend the right to state that I can't see why we paid £200k for him in the Championship.  Maybe in 6 months time I'll reckon he's worth £2m and yet again Tilly is the oracle, but I can't see it personally.  With JCR under all the flounce I can see a player that can do it at this level, but just isn't.

 

[Hooly]

Quote[/b] (EastStandBlue @ Sep. 13 2006,16:52)]Oh, Sorry.... I Must've missed the part where i said "Hooly, Get off Paynters Back and give him a Break" Silly me.

But when you aim a general "Give him a fking break and get off his back..." that will be probably be taken by one of the previous posters as pointed at them, whatever or whoever you may have intended it at.

I on the other hand was just making a point that wasn't necessary. Do I give a toss?

Yea probably.

 

[Tilly N Brush]

i see paynter trying hard and putting 100 % effort into the game but he hasnt impressed any further than that for me

 

[shrimptank]

Quote[/b] (EastStandBlue @ Sep. 13 2006,15:48)]It completely hacks me off when i see people getting on a player like Paynter's back. He didn't have an absolutely atrocious game last night, He wasn't even that bad in the first half and suffered when players around him gave up after the 3rd goal hit the net.

People around me in the stands expect him to run for anything and everything... there were balls pumped 20 yards ahead of him that were 5 yards from the keeper and when he carefully picks his runs said people around me berated him.

He's an intelligent player, one who picks the balls he can win and chooses the runs he makes carefully... Whats the point in running 20/30 yards chasing a lost cause?

Last night wasn't his game. Norwich were screaming to be carved open at the back and while we had both Gower and Jamal on the pitch spreading the ball wide it wasn't going to happen. Its only when we went 3-4-3 with the back 2 having to contend with 2 forwards (Hooper, Eastwood) and a ball winner (Harrold) did we force them into making mistakes (The freekick) and scoring again.

Give him a f%&king break and get off his back... That kind of negativity will help no player. Especially when you consider Paynter is still only 22.

Paynter is no more than a League Two striker - at best.

He has had no worthwhile shots of note, does not link up well with Freddy, cant head very well, can't run very fast and above all, seems a little bit as if he feels he's a misfit in the team.

That is my opinion, and like others, i hope i am proved wrong too

 

[Hong Kong Blue]

Quote[/b] (Ulysses @ Sep. 13 2006,16:51)]Headless Chicken!

Thats all i'm gonna say about him.

He has his faults, but being a headless chicken certainly isn't one of them.

His movement off the ball is the best at the club by some distance, he doesn't get caught offside and he wins more free-kicks than he gives away (quite rare for a targetman) which all IMHO point to him actually having quite a good football brain on him.

He might not have much talent on the ball and he is hardworking, but that doesn't make him a headless chicken.

I have no problem with people making valid, reasoned criticisms of him (Hooly is a good example of this), but to call him a headless chicken with no reasons is just abuse.

 

[steveo1]

Wayne Gray had pace. The Goat could hold the ball up and bring people into play. Harrold has heading ability.
Paynter doesnt seem to have any of these, nor can he beat people like Freddy does, which makes the original post valid, i.e. what does he bring to the team?
200K is a hell of a lot of money to pay, lets hope Tilly has seen something in him that will make his fee worth while.

 

[Badger74]

i do think a few more games under his belt and then people can judge him.
at least he has done more than Ricketts