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Ask King

Not wanting to turn this thread into a 'Daryl Vs Bart' comparison, I would agree with TTK that Daryl is a far superior keeper to Bart, and in all honesty, a far better keeper than any other I have seen in this Division.

I dont dislike Bart, and he has done OK when hes been playing for us. However, I would say that Daryl's all round game is much better than Bart's.

His biggest criticism was that he didnt come for enough crosses, always stayed on his line, and didnt command his area, well that is one part of his game that he has worked on, and having a decent Number Two pushing him for a place has improved his game no end.

Your saying that he didnt have a good game against Lincoln, well in my opinion, he made a concious decision to come for everything seeing as Lincoln are very good at set plays, and yes, one or two of them he didnt quite get there, but his positive attitude probably enabled us to keep the clean sheet.

And some people are forgetting that had it not have been for Daryl, we would not have been in the final anyway. His two wonder saves against Northampton (Kirk at the death in the away leg, and McGleish at the death in the home leg) ensured we went through, and no disrespect to Bart, I dont think he would have got anywhere near either of them, and Northampton would have been through.

He has been almost faultless this season, and he has to be offered a decent contract, and he has to be made Number One for next season.

We seem to have an obsession at Roots Hall of trying to replace Daryl, well its been tried twice now, and both times he has proved that he is better than the competition.

As I said, I dont have anything against Bart, but I feel a lot safer with Daryl between the sticks, and as for shot stopping, you cant honestly say there is anyone in our league better can you?
 
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Quote[/b] (Richard_Cadette @ June 07 2005,11:01)]and yes, one or two of them he didnt quite get there, but his positive attitude probably enabled us to keep the clean sheet.
Please tell me you're having a laugh.

We beat Lincoln partly because, somehow, it was destined to be our day. But that was despite Flahavan's "best" efforts, frankly. It was ineptitude on a grand scale which on any other day would have been punished.

Were it not for some profligate finishing (by Yeo in particular) and two excellent blocks on the line by Beno and Che, we'd be looking at bottom flight football again this season because of Flavs.

Surely only the most one-eyed Flahavan devotee can believe he had anything other than a calamitous game in the final.

Parting thought: how come, despite appearing in a side with one of the stingiest defences in the league, Flahavan never gets anywhere near the team of the season, or even the team of the week, in the newspapers or the other independently judged awards?

Two brilliant games against Northampton (which prompted Calderwood's lionisation of Darryl) does not make him a great keeper. He is one who is improving; he's a great squad keeper. He's probably worth hanging on to. But "a far better keeper than any other I've seen in this division"?

You're having a laugh, aren't you?

Matt
 
Once again Matt, you and I disagree on a football related subject, now theres a shock!! :0)

I assure you im not having a laugh at all when I say that Daryl's positive attitude against Lincoln was one I didnt have a problem with. He did make two mistakes, I wouldnt argue with that, and neither of which were punished. He also made a couple of very good saves, some very good punches and if it wasnt for a last minute intervention from Francis Greens 'overhead' kick, Yeo would have scored for sure.

By the same token as you saying he was calamatous, you could also say that the fact he came for everything meant that even when he didnt get there, Lincoln could not get a direct head on a cross or a set piece, and lets be honest, its not Daryl's fault hes not the tallest, and had he of not come for some of those crosses, I would bet money on the fact they would have scored.

Im not sure I would use the 'Team of the Week' as anything to go by as in the PFA team of the season, I saw a certain Mr Beagrie in there, who I dont think has played that many times this season, let alone done enough to warrant a place in that side. Additionally, Chris Weale made his way into that team having let in the second highest amount of goals this season, so figure that one? The argument could be levelled that Freddie is one of, if not the best, forwards in this league, and yet he was not in the PFA Team of the season, they dont, im afraid, always reflect how good a player really is.

Im not saying Daryl has not got his faults, of course he has, otherwiseh he would be playing at a higher level, but in the division last season, I did not see a keeper who was better.

Im not saying he is a great keeper just because he had two decent games against Northampton, im saying it because this season, in my opinion, he has been pretty much faultless, with the exception of the Boston game where he had what you would call a 'mare'!!

Your entitled to your opinion, of course, but to say hes only a decent squad player and probably worth keeping on to, then

You're having a laugh aren't you?
 
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Quote[/b] (Richard_Cadette @ June 07 2005,11:51)]You're having a laugh aren't you?


lets be honest, its not Daryl's fault hes not the tallest, and had he of not come for some of those crosses, I would bet money on the fact they would have scored.
No, I'm not.  You're the one making excuses for him in the final.  Darryl is an averagely good lower division keeper, who is great at shot stopping and not much else.  I certainly thought that all of the following were at least as good, if not better keepers, than Darryl:

Willy Gueret (Swansea)
Lee Harper (Northampton)
Neil Edwards (Rochdale)
Glyn Garner (Bury)
John Ruddy (Cambridge)
Bart Griemink (Southend)

And those are the ones I can think of just off the top of my head.  The fact remains, the last time we were promoted out of this division, we had Paul Sansome in goal.  Flavs is nowhere  near as good as Sammy was.

I'd like to see someone of Sammy's quality between the sticks, with Flavs as his number two.  That's all, really.

Matt

P.S. Do we normally disagree about football matters...?!  I honestly can't remember.

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Nathan Abbey?..... Oh dear Matt, everything you have said prior to that comment has just been undermined by saying Nathan Abbey is anywhere near as good as Daryl!!

He is quite possibly, one of the worst keepers ive ever seen!!

I think most Boston fans would vouch for that!

And we do seem to disagree on most things yes, on here, or on Shrimpers.net
 
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Quote[/b] (Richard_Cadette @ June 07 2005,12:26)]Nathan Abbey?

And we do seem to disagree on most things yes, on here, or on Shrimpers.net
Admittedly, I was going on past record for Nathan Abbey, I haven't seen him this season. OK, scrub him fron that list - I still reckon that any of the keepers I've listed there are every bit as good as Darryl, if not more so.

Didn't realise we disagreed about nearly everything...

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Still, vive la difference.

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Besides, we probably agree about lots of uncontroversial stuff, e.g. the greatness of Adam Barrett...

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Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ June 07 2005,12:12)]Glyn Garner (Bury)
Probably the best keeper in the division (and joined Orient a couple of weeks ago)

Wouldn't mind him and Bart in the squad.
 
Why does every thread on this board turn into a goalkeeping debate? It is really quite dull
 
I agree. Not sure that Darryl's ability has anything to do with the Q & A with King. Maybe they're planning on asking him.

In all honesty, and it has been said several times already on various different threads, Bart and Darryl both have good qualities as keepers. I'll let Tilly decide who he wants to keep for next season.

And before anyone says, YES you are entitled to say what you think, but I think everyone has read about it now. If you really want to discuss it create a separate thread.
 
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Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ June 07 2005,13:31)]Agreed.  And apologies for allowing myself to be dragged into the debate here.  I blame TTK....

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Oh I dont know - TTK has displayed a complete dearth of debating ability so far, preferring instead to rely on "cos it/he is/isnt" and other such intellectual gems...

TTK, people might be more open to your opinions if you were able to demonstrate that even the barest minimum of rational thought had gone into conceiving them....

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Coming back briefly to the subject of 'keepers.... how about a contract offer to Alan Marriott? From the looks of the Lincoln site he is out of contract....

I think he might be better than those keepers we currently have based on the performances I've seen from him (but please note I am not going to enter into a subjective debate on the subject, TTK et al).
 
Ask Jeff King Why we have to sign in at the Shrimpers and what does the law state about the passing of betting slips on premises lisenced for the sale of Alcohol.

Then report back on here what colour he turned !!
 
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Quote[/b] (Richard_Cadette @ June 07 2005,11:01)].Not wanting to turn this thread into a 'Daryl Vs Bart' comparison, I would agree with TTK that Daryl is a far superior keeper to Bart, and in all honesty, a far better keeper than any other I have seen in this Division.

I dont dislike Bart, and he has done OK when hes been playing for us.  However, I would say that Daryl's all round game is much better than Bart's.

His biggest criticism was that he didnt come for enough crosses, always stayed on his line, and didnt command his area, well that is one part of his game that he has worked on, and having a decent Number Two pushing him for a place has improved his game no end.

Your saying that he didnt have a good game against Lincoln, well in my opinion, he made a concious decision to come for everything seeing as Lincoln are very good at set plays, and yes, one or two of them he didnt quite get there, but his positive attitude probably enabled us to keep the clean sheet.

And some people are forgetting that had it not have been for Daryl, we would not have been in the final anyway.  His two wonder saves against Northampton (Kirk at the death in the away leg, and McGleish at the death in the home leg) ensured we went through, and no disrespect to Bart, I dont think he would have got anywhere near either of them, and Northampton would have been through.

He has been almost faultless this season, and he has to be offered a decent contract, and he has to be made Number One for next season.

We seem to have an obsession at Roots Hall of trying to replace Daryl, well its been tried twice now, and both times he has proved that he is better than the competition.

As I said, I dont have anything against Bart, but I feel a lot safer with Daryl between the sticks, and as for shot stopping, you cant honestly say there is anyone in our league better can you?
I think Mr Cadette has got it spot on here!

Oh and Matt, Nathan Abbey?................Please!

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Thats very nice of you to say so IGUP!!

As for discussing this thread before etc etc, well I havent, and this is a message board/forum, so I dont see a problem with it?
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Quote[/b] (Its grim up north! @ June 07 2005,13:56)]Oh and Matt, Nathan Abbey?................Please!
You will note that I withdrew my comments about him! Still think my comments about all the other keepers in that small list stands...

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Quote[/b] (Richard_Cadette @ June 07 2005,14:18)]Thats very nice of you to say so IGUP!!
Incidentally, here's a little philosophical conundrum for the Flavs-lovers to wrestle with...

Adam Barrett - you will notice, on these boards, that there are no disagreements or intellectual wrestling about him.  Everyone agrees - he's a superb player.  That's not to say he's perfect - no one is.  But he's one of the best 2 or 3 players at our club.  Pretty much universal agreement about that.

So, does it not beg a question or two about Flavs when the site is so riven with disagreement about him, with each side feeling fairly passionately that Flavs is either good or bad?

Just a thought...  It's a conundrum which might even make wiggy stop and think...

 
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Quote[/b] (overseas shrimper @ June 07 2005,14:27)]Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. I start a thread about Geoff King taking supporters questions via email... and look how it developes.

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Can you please not try to make the thread drift please?

We are talking about good keepers and Bart here!

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