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2017 General Election thread

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The award for Freudian Slip of the week goes to Iain Duncan Smith on this morning's BBC Breakfast program. Naga Munchetty was questioning him on the Tories Income Tax policies, or lack of them, in the Tory manifesto. No doubt Iain intended to say that 'We meant to get away from...........', unfortunately he actually said 'We meant to get away with........'. He corrected himself, but come on Iain mate, you know you meant the first statement.
 
Rootshallbloke said:
The award for Freudian Slip of the week goes to Iain Duncan Smith on this morning's BBC Breakfast program. Naga Munchetty was questioning him on the Tories Income Tax policies, or lack of them, in the Tory manifesto. No doubt Iain intended to say that 'We meant to get away from...........', unfortunately he actually said 'We meant to get away with........'. He corrected himself, but come on Iain mate, you know you meant the first statement.
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The Telegraph have today secured a policy commitment from Fallon that there will be no tax rises for top rate payers under a Tory government. They have of course removed that commitment from their manifesto for everyone else.



Labour: No tax rises for 95% of taxpayers.


Tories: No tax rises for the well-off.


There's your choice.
 
If Labour pull this off Corbyn would be the first prime minister in four decades who didn't owe any favours to Murdoch and the tabloids. This is pretty major - break the cycle of politicians who are afraid to go with their instincts and instead are constantly hitting a barrier of 'how will this play out in the press' or looking to big business and thinking 'how will this effect out party's donations'. If we had a government who were truly working just for the public - that could be a major breakthrough that benefits the way governments operate for years to come.
 
Despite the polls narrowing I still think the Tories will get a comfortable majority. Let's not forget the polls were pretty close all the way up to the 2015 election and we know what happened then. I still think there's a 'shy Tory' factor. People say 'but look at what happened with Brexit and Trump' but they were right-wing victories. Britain hasn't elected a far-left government for a very long time and there's a good reason for that.

There are probably a lot of people out there who like the sound of all Labour's promises (bribes) but when it comes down to it, they'll ask themselves if they can really imagine the country being run by Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott et al, as well as where all the money for these policies is coming from. Politics now is a case of choosing the least worst option.
 
shrimpboy said:
Despite the polls narrowing I still think the Tories will get a comfortable majority. Let's not forget the polls were pretty close all the way up to the 2015 election and we know what happened then. I still think there's a 'shy Tory' factor. People say 'but look at what happened with Brexit and Trump' but they were right-wing victories. Britain hasn't elected a far-left government for a very long time and there's a good reason for that.

There are probably a lot of people out there who like the sound of all Labour's promises (bribes) but when it comes down to it, they'll ask themselves if they can really imagine the country being run by Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott et al, as well as where all the money for these policies is coming from. Politics now is a case of choosing the least worst option.
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the state of people's thinking when a government working for the public rather than for themselves is seen as a bribe
 
shrimpboy said:
Despite the polls narrowing I still think the Tories will get a comfortable majority. Let's not forget the polls were pretty close all the way up to the 2015 election and we know what happened then. I still think there's a 'shy Tory' factor. People say 'but look at what happened with Brexit and Trump' but they were right-wing victories. Britain hasn't elected a far-left government for a very long time and there's a good reason for that.

There are probably a lot of people out there who like the sound of all Labour's promises (bribes) but when it comes down to it, they'll ask themselves if they can really imagine the country being run by Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott et al, as well as where all the money for these policies is coming from. Politics now is a case of choosing the least worst option.
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I think you have under estimated the young vote, that JC is gaining, never has it been so important for first time voters to get out and put their X in the right box

UTS
 
Another Surrey Shrimper said:
the state of people's thinking when a government working for the public rather than for themselves is seen as a bribe
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Socialism has never succeeded and never will, as Bielzibubz outlined in an earlier post. If you want your tax spent on childcare for people who can afford it, on school meals for people who can afford it, on tuition fees for people who shouldn't be at university, then fine. But most of the public probably don't.
 
shrimpboy said:
Socialism has never succeeded and never will, as Bielzibubz outlined in an earlier post. If you want your tax spent on childcare for people who can afford it, on school meals for people who can afford it, on tuition fees for people who shouldn't be at university, then fine. But most of the public probably don't.
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How about those who can't, and kids at University who could make the world a better place? **** 'em, and lets just give the money to the rich?
 
According to the Mirror today, seven hedge fund managers have donated £1.8 million to the Tory party election fund.

Now, if true, and it probably is, then these people have to paid back after the election if Mrs May and her team win.

Some may be after a gong, but I would suspect others would to influence government policy.

And what do the rich want? They want to stay rich, and that means if the tories want to keep them rich, they have to take money from the poor to pay for it.

Personally, I don't think a large majority in the commons for the tories in anyway whatsoever strengthens their hands in EU negotiations if they win the election. However, It would give them carte blanche to do anything they want. And that means austerity for the many and the continued underfunding of education, health, social care, our armed, the police and any other budget they want to cut in order for a few companies and individuals to stay rich.

As Neil Kinnock once said: I warn you not to be ordinary. I warn you not to be young. I warn you not to fall ill. And I warn you not to grow old.
 
OldBlueLady said:
Corbyn is an orator, much like our own Phil Brown, doesn't necessarily mean he would be any good. May, well, she just isn't. She's no public school educated mouth piece like many previous (and current) top Tories, and she is no Maggie Thatcher when speaking publicly.

I'm obviously a Tory voter, but this election - which had seemed sewn up a few weeks back when it was announced - is slipping away because they're allowing Corbyn his head. Yes, their promises sound so good on paper, but what Labour fail to do spectacularly every time is explain exactly how they are going to sustain the changes they wish to put in place.

IF they were to win and put some of their plans in place, the top wage earners would simply move their assets abroad - or even move there themselves. You can't continue taxing the highest earners and think they will just roll over and let you. Same with companies, more and more would just move abroad so they wouldn't be eligible for our country's taxes.

The country would end up in deeper debt and of course, the Tories would be put back in to produce a recovery with everyone moaning about "belt tightening". It's the way things work.

Labour are playing a canny game, promising so much to the many gullible young who haven't voted before - or have maybe a few times - who are just seeing university fees cut and big promises that they don't really understand the implications of.

Apart from anything else, there are two huge reasons why I would not consider voting Labour here, firstly, there is no way I would want Diane Abbot anywhere near a cabinet post - can you imagine it? And secondly, I wouldn't want Corbyn in charge of our Brexit negotiations.

Us old farts have to get out in our droves and vote for the Blues on Thursday.
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OldBlueLady said:
Corbyn is an orator, much like our own Phil Brown, doesn't necessarily mean he would be any good. May, well, she just isn't. She's no public school educated mouth piece like many previous (and current) top Tories, and she is no Maggie Thatcher when speaking publicly.

I'm obviously a Tory voter, but this election - which had seemed sewn up a few weeks back when it was announced - is slipping away because they're allowing Corbyn his head. Yes, their promises sound so good on paper, but what Labour fail to do spectacularly every time is explain exactly how they are going to sustain the changes they wish to put in place.

IF they were to win and put some of their plans in place, the top wage earners would simply move their assets abroad - or even move there themselves. You can't continue taxing the highest earners and think they will just roll over and let you. Same with companies, more and more would just move abroad so they wouldn't be eligible for our country's taxes.

The country would end up in deeper debt and of course, the Tories would be put back in to produce a recovery with everyone moaning about "belt tightening". It's the way things work.

Labour are playing a canny game, promising so much to the many gullible young who haven't voted before - or have maybe a few times - who are just seeing university fees cut and big promises that they don't really understand the implications of.

Apart from anything else, there are two huge reasons why I would not consider voting Labour here, firstly, there is no way I would want Diane Abbot anywhere near a cabinet post - can you imagine it? And secondly, I wouldn't want Corbyn in charge of our Brexit negotiations.

Us old farts have to get out in our droves and vote for the Blues on Thursday.
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Why must it be the way things work?

Your generation (and I'm guessing you are 40s/50s/60s born, seeing as you've self-identified as an old fart, apologies if wrong) have had absolutely everything - and now want the young to pay for what mess has been left behind. Older generations have had all of the houses, fat pensions, early retirement. Things that many in their twenties cannot see as achievable goals in their lifetime - and now they get labelled gullible for not wanting society, and their future, to be like that.

Far sooner be considered gullible than condescending and greedy. A real shame all of you old farts will never see it that way.
 
Museshrimper said:
Why must it be the way things work?

Your generation (and I'm guessing you are 40s/50s/60s born, seeing as you've self-identified as an old fart, apologies if wrong) have had absolutely everything - and now want the young to pay for what mess has been left behind. Older generations have had all of the houses, fat pensions, early retirement. Things that many in their twenties cannot see as achievable goals in their lifetime - and now they get labelled gullible for not wanting society, and their future, to be like that.

Far sooner be considered gullible than condescending and greedy. A real shame all of you old farts will never see it that way.
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Apart from being rude, you're quite wrong. I am poorer than my parents, and my pension is subject to "clawback". I am working later than my parents and will work later than my grandfather did. I have a duty of care to my children one of whom is not likely to have their own place any time soon and also to my parents, aged 80 and 79.

Whilst I will happily call myself an old fart (aged 55), and take it in good part from the majority of people, I take umbrage when people who've persistently found issue with me doing so similarly.

This election is the most divisive one in my memory, but, come Friday morning, hopefully we can all move forward and just get on with things.
 
This is a good one.

[video=youtube;bIc8CTWJmhM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIc8CTWJmhM[/video]

I bet you can't guess what the reaction was from Corduroy's supporters:

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