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100 billion debt and rising !

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Give me strength,

Loony Labour have/will borrow in excess of 100 billion smackers yet warn of future tax increases.

What an incredible shower,These lunatics have squandered our cash willy nilly without saving cash during the so called good times.

The personal debt which most people sussed 3 years ago could never continue yet Labour did nothing to protect its citizens.

I thought the Tory years fecked this country however Labour in my view have killed the country.
 
Quite simply - Britain is all but bankrupt. Disaster of the highest order beckons, it really does.
 
Not before Argentina and Venezuela my friend, Mr Chavas has been a little quiet since the price of oil has gone down to $50 a barrel.

The cost of getting a barrel of oil ou of the ground here in Brasil is around $38 then you have the cost of paying for the workers etc which is $17 and $5 for the transport so these countries that rely on the export of oil wil be first I would say. The whole world is ****ed mate.
 
Under Labour

People claiming sicknesss benefit has reached incredible levels.

The prisons are filled to the rafters.

Council tax has reached obscene levels.

House prices reached silly levels hence pricing many out of the market.

Backdoor taxes aplenty.

The average person can now easily become a criminal through motoring offences ect.

Social services are buckling under the strain and as reported recently the managers appear to turn a blind eye.

The police are now nothing more than paperwork pushers.

Most crimes have risen to crazy levels.

Immigration is totally out of control with even Labour bods saying it must be curbed.

The national debt will be the highest of all time.

Teachers are quitting in droves simply because unruly pupils run the classrooms.

Family breakdown has reached record levels.

Blimey the list is probably endless.
 
Under Labour

People claiming sicknesss benefit has reached incredible levels.

The prisons are filled to the rafters.

Council tax has reached obscene levels.

House prices reached silly levels hence pricing many out of the market.

Backdoor taxes aplenty.

The average person can now easily become a criminal through motoring offences ect.

Social services are buckling under the strain and as reported recently the managers appear to turn a blind eye.

The police are now nothing more than paperwork pushers.

Most crimes have risen to crazy levels.

Immigration is totally out of control with even Labour bods saying it must be curbed.

The national debt will be the highest of all time.

Teachers are quitting in droves simply because unruly pupils run the classrooms.

Family breakdown has reached record levels.

Blimey the list is probably endless.

I am not an apologist for the Labour Party, but I do realise the horrors that the alternative would bring....

So, a counter argument to GB's point...

1. It's dropped. Sickness Benefits were brought in by Thatcher to reduce the number of unemployed. Their introduction was simply a measure to statistically demonstrate less people were out of work. You'll find higher sickness benefits claimants in the former mining areas. Co-incidence. I think not! To claim sickness benefit today is extremely difficult and lengthy process.

2. And have been for years. However, that you make the point is interesting because you further state police are pen pushers. So just how come are the prisons full? They must be doing something. The answer of course is to

a, employ more police (which has happened)
b. build more prisons
c. give lighter, shorter or non custodial sentences (which you will oppose)

3. Council Tax rates are set by your local council. Nothing to do with the Government. I remember my dear old Gran moaning about the cost of the rates back in her day. You don't mention soaring fuel bills. Is this because these are set by private companies and the privatisations and deregulation was a Tory policy?

4. In a free market (Tory policy that), goods will reach their price through purchase and sale. If people are prepared to pay "silly prices" then the costs will rise. If people aren't, then costs will fall. You may have read that house prices have fallen dramatically in the last few months.

5. You believe the Tory hype. What backdoor taxes do you refer to? I hear this all the time, yet am blissfully unaware of what these hidden things are. Enlighten me please.

6. Today is my anniversary. I passed my driving test 20 years ago. I've never been banned from driving nor been a criminal. I have had speeding points. You do not have a criminal record for speeding etc, you only get that far if you have done something really bad, like driving without a valid licence, insurance, MOT, excessive speeding, dangerous driving etc. All were criminal offences back when I were a lad. What we do have a problem is the misuse of speed cameras for revenue purposes, I do support fully, these new cameras with Registration recognition techniques. I fully support the massive clamp down on drink dirving.

7. The entire public service is buckling under strain. It needs re-investment and proper resourcing. I've explained elsewhere how this can be done.

8 & 9. See the points on prison. Most crimes haven't risen, crime is falling.

10. Immigration isn't out of control, just see the figures I produced in another thread. what is out of control is illegal immigration and that does need dealing with. It is one of the reasons Labour set up the UK Border Force. But again, if this service isn't properly funded then it wont work.

11. True. Can't argue that. I remember learning in history that the last time the national debt fell was just after the Wars of the Roses. But I probably wasn't paying attention.

12. Pupil behaviour is a massive problem, but teachers are also quitting because the pay is so poor. I know you will be an advocate of birching unruly kids, but violent begets violence. So the answer is? Possibly educating the parents a bit more. I see too many kids running around doing what they like and the parents just can't be arsed. That need sorting.

13. The fact the families break down has absolutely nothing to do with the Governemnt of the day. It's just become a fact of life in the last quarter of a century or so. I blame Henry VIII personally.

Have fun with that lot....
 
Backdoor taxes?
Tax on insurance. Insure your car - it's the law - then pay tax on it.
VAT on petrol - a litre has duty of 50.35p. Then you pay VAT on it! Tax tax!
Congestion charge. Oh yeah, the money that raises goes straight into "green" projects. Oh hang on - no it doesn't!
Airport departure tax - same as above.
Everything you do is taxed apart from farting and breathing.
 
Rob - think you might just add things like the 50% increase of the Dartford tolls in as well. Remember we were told the tolls would go when it had paid for itself? Strange that, because it happened years ago and we're still paying, and now we're paying more.
 
LF,

Read timesonline and Hazel Blears report very interesting.

Those who wish to know.

Boston the small town in lincolnshire has been bombarded with migrants and according to the council the population has risen from 52k to 70k,Services are under intense pressure across the board whilst the language barrier has reached daft levels with over 60 different languages being used within the town.

Haringay the people there are very concerned with the rapid increase of large African families moving there.

The whole thing lacks common sense.
 
Rob - think you might just add things like the 50% increase of the Dartford tolls in as well. Remember we were told the tolls would go when it had paid for itself? Strange that, because it happened years ago and we're still paying, and now we're paying more.

if you get up early and through by 6.00AM it's free.
 
I am not an apologist for the Labour Party, but I do realise the horrors that the alternative would bring....

So, a counter argument to GB's point...

1. It's dropped. Sickness Benefits were brought in by Thatcher to reduce the number of unemployed. Their introduction was simply a measure to statistically demonstrate less people were out of work. You'll find higher sickness benefits claimants in the former mining areas. Co-incidence. I think not! To claim sickness benefit today is extremely difficult and lengthy process.

2. And have been for years. However, that you make the point is interesting because you further state police are pen pushers. So just how come are the prisons full? They must be doing something. The answer of course is to

a, employ more police (which has happened)
b. build more prisons
c. give lighter, shorter or non custodial sentences (which you will oppose)

3. Council Tax rates are set by your local council. Nothing to do with the Government. I remember my dear old Gran moaning about the cost of the rates back in her day. You don't mention soaring fuel bills. Is this because these are set by private companies and the privatisations and deregulation was a Tory policy?

4. In a free market (Tory policy that), goods will reach their price through purchase and sale. If people are prepared to pay "silly prices" then the costs will rise. If people aren't, then costs will fall. You may have read that house prices have fallen dramatically in the last few months.

5. You believe the Tory hype. What backdoor taxes do you refer to? I hear this all the time, yet am blissfully unaware of what these hidden things are. Enlighten me please.

6. Today is my anniversary. I passed my driving test 20 years ago. I've never been banned from driving nor been a criminal. I have had speeding points. You do not have a criminal record for speeding etc, you only get that far if you have done something really bad, like driving without a valid licence, insurance, MOT, excessive speeding, dangerous driving etc. All were criminal offences back when I were a lad. What we do have a problem is the misuse of speed cameras for revenue purposes, I do support fully, these new cameras with Registration recognition techniques. I fully support the massive clamp down on drink dirving.

7. The entire public service is buckling under strain. It needs re-investment and proper resourcing. I've explained elsewhere how this can be done.

8 & 9. See the points on prison. Most crimes haven't risen, crime is falling.

10. Immigration isn't out of control, just see the figures I produced in another thread. what is out of control is illegal immigration and that does need dealing with. It is one of the reasons Labour set up the UK Border Force. But again, if this service isn't properly funded then it wont work.

11. True. Can't argue that. I remember learning in history that the last time the national debt fell was just after the Wars of the Roses. But I probably wasn't paying attention.

12. Pupil behaviour is a massive problem, but teachers are also quitting because the pay is so poor. I know you will be an advocate of birching unruly kids, but violent begets violence. So the answer is? Possibly educating the parents a bit more. I see too many kids running around doing what they like and the parents just can't be arsed. That need sorting.

13. The fact the families break down has absolutely nothing to do with the Governemnt of the day. It's just become a fact of life in the last quarter of a century or so. I blame Henry VIII personally.

Have fun with that lot....


LF

Could you answer the following questions ie either yes or no.

Have Labour been good for the country?
Should immigration be curbed?
 
Backdoor taxes?
Tax on insurance. Insure your car - it's the law - then pay tax on it.
VAT on petrol - a litre has duty of 50.35p. Then you pay VAT on it! Tax tax!
Congestion charge. Oh yeah, the money that raises goes straight into "green" projects. Oh hang on - no it doesn't!
Airport departure tax - same as above.
Everything you do is taxed apart from farting and breathing.

But that's not back door is it. Back door implies you don't know about it.

I take the point fully about "green taxes". But that's an argument about what the tax is used for as opposed to it being hidden.

And everything you've ever done has for the last 200 years, been taxed. I think it was Mark Twain who made the point about death and taxes.
 
LF

Could you answer the following questions ie either yes or no.

Have Labour been good for the country?
Should immigration be curbed?

I am not apologist for the Labour Party, I think they could have done better, and I wont forgive them for that War, but over all

a. Yes, they have been a lot better than the previous adminstration.

b. That isn't a "yes / no" question. Tighter controls need to be in place to stop illegals and to ensure those applying for asylum are genuine. (politicians answer, I know, and sorry for that, but I've spoken enough about immigration in previous posts to cover exactly where I am coming from and I don't have the time to re-post it all again)
 
LF,

Read timesonline and Hazel Blears report very interesting.

Those who wish to know.

Boston the small town in lincolnshire has been bombarded with migrants and according to the council the population has risen from 52k to 70k,Services are under intense pressure across the board whilst the language barrier has reached daft levels with over 60 different languages being used within the town.

Haringay the people there are very concerned with the rapid increase of large African families moving there.

The whole thing lacks common sense.


In rural Cambridgeshire farms are totally reliant on Portuguese workers to gather crops at harvest. Without them, the crops rot, farms go bust and food prices rises.

In my kids school (Westborough) there are I am told 26 diffferent languages spoken, yet in the last school year there was one case of racism (and that was black on black).

The point I am failing to make is for every example you can give me, I can give you one in the opposite direction - and we could carry on like this all day (and frankly I intend to be yelling at Lee Hughes later).
 
I am not apologist for the Labour Party, I think they could have done better, and I wont forgive them for that War, but over all

a. Yes, they have been a lot better than the previous adminstration.

b. That isn't a "yes / no" question. Tighter controls need to be in place to stop illegals and to ensure those applying for asylum are genuine. (politicians answer, I know, and sorry for that, but I've spoken enough about immigration in previous posts to cover exactly where I am coming from and I don't have the time to re-post it all again)


Fair enough LF.

For me Labour will leave this country at the next election as one of the most crowded places on earth with a massive debt.

The immigration issue is the key which many people will never forgive,Of course every country requires BALANCED migration yet sadly England have reached dangerous levels.

The burden on the taxpayer has become a joke hence why many are taking their wealth and skills to live abroad,How long before the cupboard becomes bare?
 
Which is fine if that's the time that suits you, but I don't fancy sitting outside Bluewater for several hours on the odd occasion that I do venture over there!

Well actually it doe's suit me and thousands more who go over/under every day, so maybe lakeside might be an option OBL,happy shopping.
 
Give me strength,

Loony Labour have/will borrow in excess of 100 billion smackers yet warn of future tax increases.

What an incredible shower,These lunatics have squandered our cash willy nilly without saving cash during the so called good times.

The personal debt which most people sussed 3 years ago could never continue yet Labour did nothing to protect its citizens.

I thought the Tory years fecked this country however Labour in my view have killed the country.

Mate your head is gonna explode if you worry about everything!!
 
This thread started on the basis of the country being 100 billion in debt and not another thread about immigration.

And the benefit handouts could not have been used to reduce that debt? I appreciate there are many hard working immigrants, and I welcome skilled labour, but I remember the influx of Kosovans about 8 years ago, who were more interested in mugging anyone in the Southend area than working.

Proof - 4 of my mates got mugged in the same month by them, and none of my mates were mugged by "English".

Surely a points system of immigration would reduce those not inclined to work, and would also then help in having more money in the coffers to reduce national debt.

I also feel that a points system on British people should be used, and if a Brit doesn't want to work we should sneak him on the boat full of Kosovans so that someone else can bail him out. :)
 
Nothing to do with the government lending over £37bn to two banks then.....not to mention the others its nationalised or part nationalised.

I must of been reading the wrong news items.
 
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