Tuchel's First England squad confirmed

[Southminster Shrimper]

I had no idea this was even on, even if I did, I would have still watched the cricket. Seems as if I dodged a bullet there!

 

[Dave Smiths Love Child]

Pointless friendly , once again just fill the coffers for FA, players looked lost or disinterested, been better on a beach or in a bar chilling.
Felt for the crowd who paid good money to watch

 

[Leigh_Seasider]

Yeah imagine paying for that. All this outrage over a refs decision masking the fact that England were just ****ing awful. At least Tuchel will have learnt who not to pick moving forward.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

T.T's England = G.S's England on the evidence of last night's match against Senegal,Which means that England willl qualify easily for the next WC in the US +then get knocked out by the first decent side they play after the group stages.Think we've all seen this one before.

 

[Supa Shrimpa]

Yeah imagine paying for that. All this outrage over a refs decision masking the fact that England were just ****ing awful. At least Tuchel will have learnt who not to pick moving forward.

I can guarantee if that was an opposition team, the pundits / fans would have been saying it's handball. As you say, it just masks over the fact it was a pointless friendly and the lads would have prefered being on a beach somewhere. Surely, the World Cup qualifier was way more important and the likes of Rice, Saka etc should have been playing in that (to increase our goal difference) rather than resting and playing a few days later.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

T.T's England = G.S's England on the evidence of last night's match against Senegal,Which means that England willl qualify easily for the next WC in the US +then get knocked out by the first decent side they play after the group stages.Think we've all seen this one before.

Southgate’s England > Tuchel’s England so far but yes we’ve seen this narrative before that any side England beats in the 2nd round, QFs and even semi finals is automatically rubbish and somehow doesn’t count.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Southgate’s England > Tuchel’s England so far but yes we’ve seen this narrative before that any side England beats in the 2nd round, QFs and even semi finals is automatically rubbish and somehow doesn’t count.

The sad fact is that we're not very good and I doubt things will be much better in the WC.

 

[GBJ]

I’m just pleased the FA Cup replays were cancelled. Imagine how worse this could have gone, if we had to play Charlton twice, back in October.

 

[jackj13]

I didn't watch it. But I imagine the majority of the players would much rather have been on the beach. Too many fixtures isn't there? Well that's what they keep telling us.

 

[EastStandBlue]

T.T's England = G.S's England on the evidence of last night's match against Senegal,Which means that England willl qualify easily for the next WC in the US +then get knocked out by the first decent side they play after the group stages.Think we've all seen this one before.

If Southgate served up a 1-0 labouring win over Andorra with Jordan Henderson at the base of a midfield pivot, followed by a completely disjointed display and loss against Senegal, certain sections of the press and public would have wanted him prosecuted for war crimes. While it’s obviously a small sample so far, and Tuchel certainly hasn’t been helped by the utterly abysmal scheduling of these fixtures in particular, Tuchel’s iteration of England is some way off Southgate’s as it stands.

It cannot be overstated how pointless yesterday was though, exacerbated by the equally pointless and facile Club World Cup tournament. It is the last thing Tuchel needed and probably would’ve wanted.

That said, Tuchel can probably start crossing off names from his long list of tournament inclusions for next summer. Walker’s shot to pieces, Henderson can no longer dictate the tempo of play at international level, Colwill’s too cumbersome and error prone and we can file Morgan Gibbs White alongside James Maddison in the “good, but not exceptional” list of 10s England have.

 

[Supershrimper]

England’s long-standing issue persists despite boasting one of the most gifted squads in world football, the team often struggles to function as a unified force. Instead of fluid, collective play, we’re left relying on isolated moments of individual brilliance.

When those moments arrive, we’re quick to applaud the team performance as a whole, even though it’s usually individual talent doing the heavy lifting

Watching the Nations League Final between Portugal and Spain only highlights the gap. Those sides played with rhythm and cohesion, while England, by comparison, can look frustratingly one-dimensional.

 

[Kris]

T.T's England = G.S's England on the evidence of last night's match against Senegal,Which means that England willl qualify easily for the next WC in the US +then get knocked out by the first decent side they play after the group stages.Think we've all seen this one before.

Under GS we were penalties away from winning the 2020 Euros, also reached the 2024 final (first away from home soil), reached the semis in the World Cup 2018, and reached the semis in the first Nations League, having beaten Spain and Croatia to do so. Also beat Germany for the first time at a knock-out stage. Your philosophy is a tad dated, don't you think?

England’s long-standing issue persists despite boasting one of the most gifted squads in world football, the team often struggles to function as a unified force. Instead of fluid, collective play, we’re left relying on isolated moments of individual brilliance.

When those moments arrive, we’re quick to applaud the team performance as a whole, even though it’s usually individual talent doing the heavy lifting

Watching the Nations League Final between Portugal and Spain only highlights the gap. Those sides played with rhythm and cohesion, while England, by comparison, can look frustratingly one-dimensional.

Good point. That has been an issue in several tournaments. In fact, the last time I thought we looked an organised unit was back in 1998 under Glenn Hoddle and even then we were knocked out in the second round. Such a shame he didn't last.

During Covid, TV showed World Cups and Euros from the past and I couldn't believe how lucky we were to reach the semis in the 1990 W/C and 1996 in the Euros.

 

[Supa Shrimpa]

If Southgate served up a 1-0 labouring win over Andorra with Jordan Henderson at the base of a midfield pivot, followed by a completely disjointed display and loss against Senegal, certain sections of the press and public would have wanted him prosecuted for war crimes. While it’s obviously a small sample so far, and Tuchel certainly hasn’t been helped by the utterly abysmal scheduling of these fixtures in particular, Tuchel’s iteration of England is some way off Southgate’s as it stands.

It cannot be overstated how pointless yesterday was though, exacerbated by the equally pointless and facile Club World Cup tournament. It is the last thing Tuchel needed and probably would’ve wanted.

That said, Tuchel can probably start crossing off names from his long list of tournament inclusions for next summer. Walker’s shot to pieces, Henderson can no longer dictate the tempo of play at international level, Colwill’s too cumbersome and error prone and we can file Morgan Gibbs White alongside James Maddison in the “good, but not exceptional” list of 10s England have.

I think Gibbs-White has been one of the outstanding players in the Premier League this season. Plus he's versatile. I'd def take him

 

[The Original Tribal Chief]

The last two England performances were utterly abysmal. Zero cohesion, zero effort, zero pride. We need an English manager and players who care more about England than their 'brand'. Harry Kane is a bigger deal than any of them, and he seems to give a ****. I don't want foreign mercenaries in the dugout or on the pitch.

 

[Supershrimper]

I don't know much about Lee Carsley but I'd imagine he would be the natural successor to Gareth.

Granted he played for Republic of Ireland but Ilid imagine that was only becayse of limited route into the England squad

 

[The Original Tribal Chief]

I don't know much about Lee Carsley but I'd imagine he would be the natural successor to Gareth.

Granted he played for Republic of Ireland but Ilid imagine that was only becayse of limited route into the England squad

We certainly looked a lot more cohesive in the games where Carsley was caretaker boss. I was no fan of SGS, but I'd take him back now in a heartbeat.

 

[cerbera45]

underwhelming so far (and that's probably being kind)

 

[The Original Tribal Chief]

The sad fact is that we're not very good and I doubt things will be much better in the WC.

The sad fact is we are very good and that talent is being wasted.

 

[GNH]

England teams have always been a bizarre thing.

Full of (mostly) excellent players but ones who seem to have no purpose or drive when they pull on the National shirt.

As mentioned above, the Spain-Portugal NL Final was a prime example of everything we don't do. EVERY pass on that pitch was part of a plan to either get the ball into space, to an individual player or to drag the opposition out of shape to exploit instantly. Whenever you watch England play they seem to pass it just for the sake of it and to try and keep the ball, there is no plan for how or why they do it.

Subsequently we are far too predictable to play against and any sort of a cohesive opposition defensive unit leaves us scratching our arses and out of ideas.

 

[davewebbsbrain]

Yeah imagine paying for that. All this outrage over a refs decision masking the fact that England were just ****ing awful. At least Tuchel will have learnt who not to pick moving forward.

Going off in a tangent a bit but still in relation to the ref. Yes it was a female and a male ref may well have made the same call on ruling out the goal.
However, we see this equality call in the professional game and females can ref and run the line in the men's game BUT I can honestly say I haven't seen a man ref a professional women's game. It may just be in all the games I've watched there just hasn't been a man reffing the game but I would hazard a guess the ratio of male refs in the WSL etc is lower than women in the PL etc

It looks like it will be all female officials at the women's world Cup, something a fair few women disagree with, Ellen White for example