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Post-Match Thread and Ratings Oldham FC 3-2 Southend Utd
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RONMARTINOUT
Striker
Was a great day out. Loved Boxpark and Wembley, great atmosphere.
Shame about the result but it wasn’t to be. I think the biggest disappointment is not that we are not going up, but that we are stuck in a terrible league with poor referees and some pretty bang average clubs for another year.
Id love to be positive but with two up and York Carlisle FGR spending big, I struggle to see how we could go up automatically.
I think people are probably slightly overreacting on this thread, we have a good squad since January in the form table we’ve done well. We probably do need a proven goalscorer and to upgrade some positions slightly.
End of the day Oldham brought on James Norwood while we brought on Josh Walker and Bonne. You can see why they won the game in the end.
Shame about the result but it wasn’t to be. I think the biggest disappointment is not that we are not going up, but that we are stuck in a terrible league with poor referees and some pretty bang average clubs for another year.
Id love to be positive but with two up and York Carlisle FGR spending big, I struggle to see how we could go up automatically.
I think people are probably slightly overreacting on this thread, we have a good squad since January in the form table we’ve done well. We probably do need a proven goalscorer and to upgrade some positions slightly.
End of the day Oldham brought on James Norwood while we brought on Josh Walker and Bonne. You can see why they won the game in the end.
Sleaford Shrimper
Grumpy Old Man
Not in the same league as @Ricey's awful experience (post #190) with some of our own supporters, but my view of the match was blocked for extended periods by people in the rows in front of me insisting on standing.
I'm in my 76th year of life. I have arthritic hips, knees and spine and cannot stand in the same place for more than a few minutes at a time without the pain becoming extremely uncomfortable. The two teenage lads in front of me very politely sat down when I asked them to but then they couldn't see because the people in front of them were standing up. Luckily, my seat was next to an aisle so I was able to lean out and see about three quarters of the pitch and I managed to stand for short periods.
The designers of the new Wembley Stadium cleverly made it possible for everyone to be able to see the whole playing area from a seated position, so why do some people inconsiderately insist on standing and blocking the view of the people behind them? At most of the away matches I attend, I manage to move to a different seat if people standing in front of me block my view but that wasn’t a possibility yesterday.
Moan over.
I'm in my 76th year of life. I have arthritic hips, knees and spine and cannot stand in the same place for more than a few minutes at a time without the pain becoming extremely uncomfortable. The two teenage lads in front of me very politely sat down when I asked them to but then they couldn't see because the people in front of them were standing up. Luckily, my seat was next to an aisle so I was able to lean out and see about three quarters of the pitch and I managed to stand for short periods.
The designers of the new Wembley Stadium cleverly made it possible for everyone to be able to see the whole playing area from a seated position, so why do some people inconsiderately insist on standing and blocking the view of the people behind them? At most of the away matches I attend, I manage to move to a different seat if people standing in front of me block my view but that wasn’t a possibility yesterday.
Moan over.
Tangled up in Blue
Certified Senior Citizen⭐🦐
It was a great display.Thanks KM & SUFCFC but's let's not forget it's time for the "money men" (as I privately call the COSU) to splash the cash and properlly replace the 2 key players who left last August and obviously haven't been properly replaced.No idea what the so-called 5 year plan entails but it must include promotion to the EFL asap .As Barnet & Oldham have shown that takes dosh.
RONMARTINOUT
Striker
I agree with this post if we fail next year, and definitely the year after. But with the dodgy pre season and the mess at the start of this season and what happened last season they was almost a write off.
I mean to have 12 players some the season and finish 8th with - 10 deduction then finish 7th after being 15th in January due to a dodgy start and reach Wembley in them play offs is pretty impressive.
We do need to kick on from here though, interesting to see if we’ll show title winning transfer ambition or play off ambition.
Southend Elvis
First XI
I don't understand why GW didn't come on, push Gus up front and he could have been backwards and forwards with fresh legs.
I'm now worried, if Gus stays with us that GW will put in a transfer request....I definitely would now not being used and not even given 10 minutes at Wembley. Bit of man management.
Unless the deal has already been done for Gus?
Okay, with a bit more time to reflect and think, here are my ratings:
Hayes 6 One good save, one goal I think he could've done better with. Unfortunate with Garner's penalty as it was very saveable if he'd gone the other way.
GSM 7 Seems a weird thing to say, but think I was disappointed with Gus perhaps more than anyone else in that he was below his usual level (and that's given that he got two assists). No criticising his work rate or determination, but his deliveries into the box were poor and he seemed to get caught out between going forward and tracking back. A friend who came to watch and doesn't usually asked why Kev kept the right-back on when he was having such a nightmare. No complaints as hopefully that will have put off anyone scouting him enough to let us keep him.
Taylor 9 Genuinely hard to think of a more committed performance from an SUFC player since the likes of Timlin in the last play-off push. Won everything, didn't hold back, and his fitness levels after playing almost every game all season were incredible.
Goodliffe 6 He was winning a lot in the air, but I think he was running on fumes by the end of the 90 and we saw the consequence of that in ET. He looked like he'd pulled something against Forest Green late on too, so I wonder if he's not fully fit, or just that having barely played until he came here, playing 120 minutes three weeks in a row was too much.
Ralph 8 A leader in this side and defended well throughout, couldn't ask much more from him than what he gave us. Whereas Taylor might have been a bit rash at times diving in and Goodliffe was lacking composure, Ralph did that well.
Bridge 6 If only we'd had the Bridge of a couple of years ago. Sadly he has lost that edge of pace which allows him to beat his man. He worked his socks off and contributed, but that cutting edge of getting past his man was missing again.
Miley 6 That early yellow card was really silly and I think influenced his game from then on out. I've liked his impact off the bench in recent weeks, but understood why Kev went with him as he seemed perfectly suited to this kind of battle.
Husin 7 Effective and looked to get the ball forward when he could, more so than usual even, and was key to controlling the tempo particularly in the first half. He was left with a lot of defensive duties to handle on his own with KAF and Coker.
KAF 8 Thought he was better against Rochdale and Forest Green, but still worked tirelessly, I think you could just see him tire a little more after the last two weeks and his impact waned in extra-time.
Hopper 6 Got stuck into the physical battle, but almost became too involved with it as he was going down every time and rarely winning it. I think he's useful, but I'm not sure he's what we need if we want a fixed target man like that in that role.
Kendall 7 Didn't stop running for the first 60 minutes, forced the goal well, and continues to show up in the big games. Without much service and chasing scraps, he did a reasonable job.
Subs
Parillon 7 I think the nerves got to him a little, particularly early on, and he grew into the game and took his goal very well. He brings that edge which Bridge is lacking, though I'm not convinced he's a natural fit for the LWB role.
Bonne 5 This was more like the Bonne of the first few months of his time here, where he seemed to chase dead ends but without all that much commitment, and slipped when the chance fell his way. I've really liked him in the past couple of months, but this was possibly his least impactful game in some time.
Coker 7 I thought he added much-needed energy to the midfield, and was much more forward-thinking than Miley had been. With KAF given more licence he was a little more tied up, but did his job well.
Walker 6 Yes, he could've handled his chance better, but he did almost create that from nothing all by himself. He chased things down well and caused them problems, but I just can't remember the last time I got excited when he got on the ball in the final third.
Gubbins 5 You can understand a player whose played 120 minutes looking for the easy pass out of pure exhaustion, but when you've been thrown on to chase the lead with 10 minutes to go, I couldn't understand that 90% of his passes were sideways or backwards.
And additionally:
Kev 7 I think it's hard to pin anything here on him. Could Gubbins have come on a bit earlier? Maybe, but then you're disrupting a backline which had looked very solid in the first half of ET, and there was no time to react after the first goal. Should Coker have started? Maybe, but he could easily have seen the midfield overrun. If the biggest criticism anyone on here can have is that we should've thrown our reserve right-back on out of desperation for the final 5 minutes, I think it shows that Kev did a good job. I don't think we sat back and shut up shop at any time to invite pressure, and that's commendable, and the mistakes were individual errors, not necessarily from being too exposed by the system or the tactics.
Fans 8 The tifo was superb, the main supporters section behind the goal too, though there's always that element on these "big day out" games that you end up with a bunch of people coming to their first game in 10 years who don't know any of the songs, etc. Even so, there was a great atmosphere from start to finish, and it was superb to see so many staying to applaud the boys at the end as they deserved.
Hayes 6 One good save, one goal I think he could've done better with. Unfortunate with Garner's penalty as it was very saveable if he'd gone the other way.
GSM 7 Seems a weird thing to say, but think I was disappointed with Gus perhaps more than anyone else in that he was below his usual level (and that's given that he got two assists). No criticising his work rate or determination, but his deliveries into the box were poor and he seemed to get caught out between going forward and tracking back. A friend who came to watch and doesn't usually asked why Kev kept the right-back on when he was having such a nightmare. No complaints as hopefully that will have put off anyone scouting him enough to let us keep him.
Taylor 9 Genuinely hard to think of a more committed performance from an SUFC player since the likes of Timlin in the last play-off push. Won everything, didn't hold back, and his fitness levels after playing almost every game all season were incredible.
Goodliffe 6 He was winning a lot in the air, but I think he was running on fumes by the end of the 90 and we saw the consequence of that in ET. He looked like he'd pulled something against Forest Green late on too, so I wonder if he's not fully fit, or just that having barely played until he came here, playing 120 minutes three weeks in a row was too much.
Ralph 8 A leader in this side and defended well throughout, couldn't ask much more from him than what he gave us. Whereas Taylor might have been a bit rash at times diving in and Goodliffe was lacking composure, Ralph did that well.
Bridge 6 If only we'd had the Bridge of a couple of years ago. Sadly he has lost that edge of pace which allows him to beat his man. He worked his socks off and contributed, but that cutting edge of getting past his man was missing again.
Miley 6 That early yellow card was really silly and I think influenced his game from then on out. I've liked his impact off the bench in recent weeks, but understood why Kev went with him as he seemed perfectly suited to this kind of battle.
Husin 7 Effective and looked to get the ball forward when he could, more so than usual even, and was key to controlling the tempo particularly in the first half. He was left with a lot of defensive duties to handle on his own with KAF and Coker.
KAF 8 Thought he was better against Rochdale and Forest Green, but still worked tirelessly, I think you could just see him tire a little more after the last two weeks and his impact waned in extra-time.
Hopper 6 Got stuck into the physical battle, but almost became too involved with it as he was going down every time and rarely winning it. I think he's useful, but I'm not sure he's what we need if we want a fixed target man like that in that role.
Kendall 7 Didn't stop running for the first 60 minutes, forced the goal well, and continues to show up in the big games. Without much service and chasing scraps, he did a reasonable job.
Subs
Parillon 7 I think the nerves got to him a little, particularly early on, and he grew into the game and took his goal very well. He brings that edge which Bridge is lacking, though I'm not convinced he's a natural fit for the LWB role.
Bonne 5 This was more like the Bonne of the first few months of his time here, where he seemed to chase dead ends but without all that much commitment, and slipped when the chance fell his way. I've really liked him in the past couple of months, but this was possibly his least impactful game in some time.
Coker 7 I thought he added much-needed energy to the midfield, and was much more forward-thinking than Miley had been. With KAF given more licence he was a little more tied up, but did his job well.
Walker 6 Yes, he could've handled his chance better, but he did almost create that from nothing all by himself. He chased things down well and caused them problems, but I just can't remember the last time I got excited when he got on the ball in the final third.
Gubbins 5 You can understand a player whose played 120 minutes looking for the easy pass out of pure exhaustion, but when you've been thrown on to chase the lead with 10 minutes to go, I couldn't understand that 90% of his passes were sideways or backwards.
And additionally:
Kev 7 I think it's hard to pin anything here on him. Could Gubbins have come on a bit earlier? Maybe, but then you're disrupting a backline which had looked very solid in the first half of ET, and there was no time to react after the first goal. Should Coker have started? Maybe, but he could easily have seen the midfield overrun. If the biggest criticism anyone on here can have is that we should've thrown our reserve right-back on out of desperation for the final 5 minutes, I think it shows that Kev did a good job. I don't think we sat back and shut up shop at any time to invite pressure, and that's commendable, and the mistakes were individual errors, not necessarily from being too exposed by the system or the tactics.
Fans 8 The tifo was superb, the main supporters section behind the goal too, though there's always that element on these "big day out" games that you end up with a bunch of people coming to their first game in 10 years who don't know any of the songs, etc. Even so, there was a great atmosphere from start to finish, and it was superb to see so many staying to applaud the boys at the end as they deserved.
Exiled Shrimper
Manager
I’d strongly recommend watching the first 21 minutes from the CEO Forum held in March which covers specifically what the 5 Year Plan entails and the foundations that underpin it (spoiler: it does include promotion to the EFL).
ace
First XI
I agree with all you said, save for their last goal. There was nothing ruthless about it. A sheer fluke. It was a cross, and the guy got lucky.
Crawliano
LADYCHARMER80
Having had 24 hours to come to terms with what happened, this could be the opposite of 2019 and beating Sunderland to stay in L1, that season we would have probably been best off getting relegated, losing Bond and having a bit of a turnaround with an experienced L2 man in place and most likely not ever getting into this position in the first place.
Maybe yesterday was one for the heart and not the head. Next season in L2 would have been tough, fans turning even more so on the three amigos when we lose 5 on the spin and expecting the recruitment team to perform minor miracles that even Oldham are saying that they have to pull off.
Don't get me wrong, we would have fought hard back in L2, but when we're finishing 16 points above D&R and getting promoted maybe it points to a little more pain down here (maybe for a few seasons) to get back on a proper footing and to progress in a way to help generations of Shrimpers future flourish rather than fulfil our short term dreams.
Christ, I'm going for a lie down, that gym session has changed me!
Maybe yesterday was one for the heart and not the head. Next season in L2 would have been tough, fans turning even more so on the three amigos when we lose 5 on the spin and expecting the recruitment team to perform minor miracles that even Oldham are saying that they have to pull off.
Don't get me wrong, we would have fought hard back in L2, but when we're finishing 16 points above D&R and getting promoted maybe it points to a little more pain down here (maybe for a few seasons) to get back on a proper footing and to progress in a way to help generations of Shrimpers future flourish rather than fulfil our short term dreams.
Christ, I'm going for a lie down, that gym session has changed me!
in the know
Newbie⭐⭐
I agree - Wembley was clean and so many employees working hard.
Cant say the same for upstairs at boxpark after the game. The all gender loo was a disgrace. Women taking young girls to toilet met with floors full of pxss in the cubicles and men's urinals to pass to get to the cubicles.
Food was good though.
Cant say the same for upstairs at boxpark after the game. The all gender loo was a disgrace. Women taking young girls to toilet met with floors full of pxss in the cubicles and men's urinals to pass to get to the cubicles.
Food was good though.
kentblues
Director⭐
I think Carlisle will, as is the norm, find the NL a bit of a shock. Not much between us and FGR and don’t think that will change next year. I think whether top spot is in the mix will depend on how close we get to York - an obvious way of closing the gap would be a prolific goalscorer- easier said than done
kentblues
Director⭐
I think Carlisle will, as is the norm, find the NL a bit of a shock. Not much between us and FGR and don’t think that will change next year. I think whether top spot is in the mix will depend on how close we get to York - an obvious way of closing the gap would be a prolific goalscorer- easier said than done
old leigh shrimper
First XI
Top three required next year as a minimum!!!
.......Please.
.......Please.
Tangled up in Blue
Certified Senior Citizen⭐🦐
Seen it thanks.
Southend Elvis
First XI
The main thing re reserve right back was tired legs, you could see many of our guys were blowing out their backsides. Extra energy was needed at that time, and having Gus stand in their box waiting for the ball, rather than having to get back and defend. Sometimes you need to throw the kitchen sink at it, not just shout at an already knackered player to do more..
Can't blame the team, as they gave their all, but if you have fresh options try it.
Sleaford Shrimper
Grumpy Old Man
I think it's a difficult balancing act for the COSU members, though. I have the impression, without wishing to be disparaging of them, that they are not too high up in the rich list of global wealth, even collectively, and certainly not in the same league as the likes of Ryan Reynolds or Sir Jim Ratcliffe. The financial mess bequeathed to them by Ron Martin when they purchased the club continues to be a draw on their financial resources. To maintain regular cash flow into the club they need to get as many bums on seats at Roots Hall as possible. Providing the owners of those bums with a team that wins matches and gets promoted up the leagues is, as you rightly imply, essential but so is providing them with an attractive and safe environment in which to watch that team. At this stage the financial investment in both aspects is speculative. The decades of neglect of the Roots Hall ground (that COSU doesn't even own yet!) requires cash to keep it compliant with licensing regulations as a bare minimum. Balancing a tight budget between how much to invest in the team and how much to invest in the real estate is problematic. I think we have both been supporters long enough to remember the confrontation between David Webb (with his senior players) and Vic Jobson over investment in the team to get promotion to the old Football League Division 1 (now Premier League) in the 1990s. Vic refused and we subsequently dropped down the divisions again. Ron Martin spent money that he didn't have and almost destroyed the club. COSU somehow have to find a middle way between those two unsuccessful approaches.
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Leigh_Seasider
West Stand Loyal ⭐️🦐
TrevorFitzpatrickHattrick
Prolific Striker⭐🦐
Question for you. Just saw the pitchside angle of Norwood's equaliser and I'm trying not to be completely biased. Is there as case that it was a foul on Goodliffe? Or was it powderpuff defending/savvy attacking play? The more I look at it, the more I see Goodliffe 100% tracking the ball in flight whilst Norwood takes a look at the ball, takes a look at Goodliffe and gives him a little arm in the back mid-jump... Totally irrelevant now I know, but is this another thing on top of everything else that should be irritating me?!
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