Players unpaid.....

[GBJ]

Seriously boycott needed now are protests against Ron. The man's totally delusional and not fit to run the club or any business. Compulsive bull****er

Genuine question, what do you think it will achieve?

Remember, I like Ron probably less than you do.

But right now, I see a protest is a bit like a rocking horse. It’ll give you something to do, but it won’t get you anywhere.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

Genuine question, what do you think it will achieve?

Remember, I like Ron probably less than you do.

But right now, I see a protest is a bit like a rocking horse. It’ll give you something to do, but it won’t get you anywhere.

It'll amuse the kids.

 

[FarmdogSUFC]

Genuine question, what do you think it will achieve?

Remember, I like Ron probably less than you do.

But right now, I see a protest is a bit like a rocking horse. It’ll give you something to do, but it won’t get you anywhere.

Yeah I'm with you here, I don't see what it achieves either. If anything we need to actually spend more money in the ground on food and drink! What a sad state

 

[WESTY_SUFC]

Genuine question, what do you think it will achieve?

Remember, I like Ron probably less than you do.

But right now, I see a protest is a bit like a rocking horse. It’ll give you something to do, but it won’t get you anywhere.

Make him more inclined to sell up. Show him that fans will not accept the way the club is run and will take action.

At the moment he is under zero customer pressure. It's almost unbelievable how lucky he has been to get away with this for so long.

 

[RHB]

Third choice Rokerite don’t forget

Bit harsh calling @ROKERITE third choice @Blueronron . He has enough grief to shoulder supporting Sunderland.

 

[GDM]

From a business perspective, if your known to have wound up a company other companies might be hesitant in working with you in the future, that’s just normal companies.
Add in SUFC winding up would be in the public eye, there would news reports everywhere. I doubt Ron would want that image over his moving forward.

But he’s not winding the club up HMRC are. Just don’t pay (“sorry I haven’t got the money, this has emotionally and financially ruined me...blah blah blah”) - no club and free to build houses on roots hall and fossets farm. Why not do that? There must be a reason?

 

[C C Csiders]

But he’s not winding the club up HMRC are. Just don’t pay (“sorry I haven’t got the money, this has emotionally and financially ruined me...blah blah blah”) - no club and free to build houses on roots hall and fossets farm. Why not do that? There must be a reason?

Maybe he feels the time to cut his losses has arrived and he will let HMRC do their bit. They wind us up and he still has his cash cow. 11 March might just be it this time. That is one hell of a lot of cash to find.

 

[Chrisb]

I am sick of reading his statements and interviews - he must have known he wasn't able to pay the HMRC bill when he said he would and he must have known the wages wouldn't be covered on Friday. Why does he keep churning out more rubbish.

 

[BrettieAngell]

If we survive this season, any players who will join us in the summer would have to be bloody desperate

 

[BrettieAngell]

Maybe he feels the time to cut his losses has arrived and he will let HMRC do their bit. They wind us up and he still has his cash cow. 11 March might just be it this time. That is one hell of a lot of cash to find.

He brushed it off in his interview last week like it was barely relevant, unbelievable.

 

[C C Csiders]

I am sick of reading his statements and interviews - he must have known he wasn't able to pay the HRMC bill when he said he would and he must have known the wages wouldn't be covered on Friday. Why does he keep churning out more rubbish.

He is a Charlatan.

 

[Shrimper]

yeah its not as easy as that is it?

They've not been registered so could go elsewhere

 

[GDM]

Maybe he feels the time to cut his losses has arrived and he will let HMRC do their bit. They wind us up and he still has his cash cow. 11 March might just be it this time. That is one hell of a lot of cash to find.

There’s no losses to cut its win win for Ron so I don’t buy that! Sainsburys have been out the picture a long time, it’s his land and he’s had plenty of opportunity to not pay tax and let HMRC wind is up...must be another reason?

 

[Cricko]

There’s no losses to cut its win win for Ron so I don’t buy that! Sainsburys have been out the picture a long time, it’s his land and he’s had plenty of opportunity to not pay tax and let HMRC wind is up...must be another reason?

Covenant. If it still excists. The fact RM stated if we cant move to FF we have to stay at RH tells me it does. Or perhaps its just his love of the club.

 

[Chrisb]

Covenant. If it still excists.

I wonder how that would stand up in a court - anyone have any idea ?

 

[GDM]

Ye

Covenant. If it still excists. The fact RM stated if we cant move to FF we have to stay at RH tells me it does.

It wouldn’t exist if there was no club though?

 

[GBJ]

Make him more inclined to sell up. Show him that fans will not accept the way the club is run and will take action.

At the moment he is under zero customer pressure. It's almost unbelievable how lucky he has been to get away with this for so long.

As I’ve said to you previously, I do think he’s inclined to sell up. The problem is attracting buyers. I believe that we came close back in October, although the two parties couldn’t agree with their respective valuations.

It’s possible that Ron writing off £6m worth of debt, was an act of good faith towards bringing those valuations closer.

Ultimately, the planning permission is worth fortunes, and I do believe that we will have suitors if/when we achieve it.

And on the flip side, the club is worthless without it. We have no assets, a crumbling stadium & debts coming out of the wazoo.

What options does Ron have? Sell the club on the cheap and potentially lose millions. Can you see him doing that, even with a bit of fan pressure? It’d be easier for him to place us into administration, claim back as much as he can, and then liquidate the club.

The other option he has, is to soldier on until the club receives that planning permission. At that point, he can either do what he’s been threatening to do for 20 years, or sell up to someone who will deliver it.

Right now, we hold no real power. We could boycott, sure. But then he just places the club into admin, as I said.

Some will say that’s fine, and dream of playing in the Bostik leagues, or whatever tier it may be, but Ron will still ultimately walk away with millions.

Some might say that was his ultimate goal, and that you’re playing into his hands, by trying to strongarm him into making a decision.

Believe me, this isn’t a defence of Ron. I made my feelings well known on this forum, ten years ago when it was as an unpopular thing to do. The best chance we have of Ron leaving this club, is if we get planning permission for this move.

Personally, I believe that if/when that happens, we’ll all be drinking Amstel and celebrating in our windmills.

 

[GBJ]

They've not been registered so could go elsewhere

Also If they’ve not been paid, I’m sure it could be used in their favour.

Covenant. If it still excists. The fact RM stated if we cant move to FF we have to stay at RH tells me it does. Or perhaps its just his love of the club.

I can never remember his name, but the Councillor said the covenant wasn’t worth the paper it was printed on.

It wouldn’t exist if there was no club though?

IIRC, this is the case.

No Football Club, means no covenant.

 

[Cricko]

Ye

It wouldn’t exist if there was no club though?

That is a difficult one as we havent seen the wording of the covenant for years. In fact i asked The Trust to try and find it, which they are still looking into. Is it written in there that letting the company fold go in administration by whoever make the ground the owners team or no team.

Or as it was written many years ago is there something that says along the lines of this ground was built by the fans for SUFC to survive, anything that puts that in danger and the ground reverts back to the fans.. of course this is all guess work by me, but it was written for a reason once. Lets hope we can find the original.

 

[GBJ]

That is a difficult one as we havent seen the wording of the covenant for years. In fact i asked The Trust to try and find it, which they are still looking into. Is it written in there that letting the company fold go in administration by whoever make the ground the owners team or no team. Or as it was written many years ago is there something that says along the lines of this ground was built by the fans for SUFC to survive, anything that put that in jeapody and the ground reverts back to the fans.. of course this is all guess work by me, but it was written for a reason once. Lets hope we can find the original.

I can’t remember the exact wording, but I recall it said that whilst the football club existed, it would remain at Roots Hall, unless an alternative was produced.

Something like that, anyway.